[Game] SK-Tower Of God! The Great War!!! #28

[RedGloverKing]

No, but I can bring up some scum games from memory, where you never really went for the big time players as scum. Ultra's BNHA game, you mostly went for fringe players, and even at LyLo pushed Ava over myself or Rot, the latter of which had been a confirmed liar. In Higurashi Mafia, too, you moved to taking me off the lynch pool, despite it being viable (for the wrong reasons, mind). This left you in a bind wherein you could only really go for the Neighbours in that game. My point being, as scum I feel you tend to pick safer targets, so your bold play so far is a good indication.

Very good insight on XTYM(Why that name?)

First. This is a NO CLAIMING GAME.
second, wdym? I read upto s2 chap 64.

Welcome to the gang. I’m on S2 chap 77

 

[Toujo]

I say she sleeps now. What she did exactly with her time is not my concern as long as we have a day so long.
Pretending that players have to play by your standards is not asinine? Just asking.

I don't demand they play to my standards Michelle. That would of course be impossible for 99% of the playerlist. I'm asking you. I brought up that Poison seemed to go hunt for info, and then never came back with it. Your response was she's sleeping. I then pointed out that that isn't a vlaid excuse, as she had plenty of time to post her conclusions during the time she was still here. There is nothing asinine there.

So, question. What is prompting this undue defence of Poison? Is it some kind of xenophobic "she's part of my community so I don't want these outsiders to isolate her" mindset? Or is there something else to it? Is Poison unable to address this herself when she comes back?

 

[Toujo]

Motivation behind individual pushes, and scum tend to avoid weakness in their posts while town thought spew and have a ton of them.

Are you seriously arguing that town play sloppily and scum don't?

 

[RedGloverKing]

Do you want the full explanation or the short one? The short one is because Ratchet, Aether, and myself are all from the same forum.

Also, I just want to be called X, please and thank you. Most forums don't allow a single character as a username.

Ok I’ll keep that in mind.

 

[Michelle]

time has noting to do with POE

of course it has. I can't make a Poe from 20 players in 8 hours. Can you?

 

[XTMF]

This post of yours seems genuine.
But I think there is a fine line between throwing shit to probe someone and throwing shit to make it all messy.

I don't like messes.

 

[Aether9]

Me and whoever else you accused of not explaining their reads felt like low depth. Because you never pressed either of us to actually explained our reads.

Your deliberately taking this very literally to try and discredit my read and it's weird af. It isn't a depth thing solely because you can have a low depth read and follow up on it in a way that makes you town. The fact you only engaged me after I started hard pressuring you isn't helpful.

Low depth is what was happening in your catch up when you just comments just stated what was happening. Again another section of the game where my statement holds true.

I don't get how you think I am falsely accusing you of that because it is kind of just true that you lacked depth at varying stages this game?

there are a bunch of false infos there, if anything it was you who didnt give any explanations to your reads and when I brought that up, thats when you finally felt like you had to explain something and guess what, you didnt even gave any strong reasoning and just said my reads lack "depth" with that a bunch of your thoughts how mafia can also do what I was doing, that was also fine so I decided to go into more details on my reads since you claimed they lacked "depth", but now you totally changed your view saying "reads dont need depth at this stage", does that mean you were suspecting me for something else? If so why didnt you said that earlier, instead of pointing out my reads, why even you pointed my reads lacking depth anyway? Looks to me, you were trying to come up with something but when pointed out now you are trying to step back.

 

[beeboat]

Are you seriously arguing that town play sloppily and scum don't?

Any individual tell is stupid on its own. Hence why reads tend to include multiple reasons.
Aether isn't overly elaborating on his reads + he wasn't pressuring me for the thoughts he did have.
2 individual shit tells I am combining together.

Literally every single individual tell in this game doesn't work on it's own because someone plays keeping that tell in mind.

I don't feel like arguing theory right now, because I don't think that's particularly hard for literally anyone to do.

 

[XTMF]

You want the alliance to vote together. That tells me you have a plan. Regardless of AI, I hate plans.

I happen to like planning and organizing; I'm a prepared guy.

 

[Toujo]

Any individual tell is stupid on its own. Hence why reads tend to include multiple reasons.
Aether isn't overly elaborating on his reads + he wasn't pressuring me for the thoughts he did have.
2 individual shit tells I am combining together.

Literally every single individual tell in this game doesn't work on it's own because someone plays keeping that tell in mind.

I don't feel like arguing theory right now, because I don't think that's particularly hard for literally anyone to do.

Well yeah, that's not what I'm saying though. I get where you're coming from, kinda, in terms of how people can be perceived as genuine, but I think it depends entirely on the player.

 

[XTMF]

Very good insight on XTYM(Why that name?)

Because I come from The Millennium Forums (TMF) and like to identify that when playing on other forums that do not allow me to use my username 'X'.

 

[XTMF]

of course it has. I can't make a Poe from 20 players in 8 hours. Can you?

What's POE mean?

 

[TheLukundo]

I happen to like planning and organizing; I'm a prepared guy.

plans rely on too much going right. Too much factors having to be accounted for. My mind can’t keep up with all the different possibilities.

 

[TheLukundo]

What's POE mean?

Process of elimination

 

[Toujo]

What's POE mean?

Basically a pool of players that are viable lynches to them. So like take the player list, remove everyone you think is town, and what you have left is your POE that you want to lynch through to win the game. I forget what it actually stands for, but that's the idea.

 

[beeboat]

there are a bunch of false infos there, if anything it was you who didnt give any explanations to your reads and when I brought that up, thats when you finally felt like you had to explain something and guess what, you didnt even gave any strong reasoning and just said my reads lack "depth" with that a bunch of your thoughts how mafia can also do what I was doing, that was also fine so I decided to go into more details on my reads since you claimed they lacked "depth", but now you totally changed your view saying "reads dont need depth at this stage", does that mean you were suspecting me for something else? If so why didnt you said that earlier, instead of pointing out my reads, why even you pointed my reads lacking depth anyway? Looks to me, you were trying to come up with something but when pointed out now you are trying to step back.

I am not stepping back at all you posted in a block of posts I didn't particularly pay attention to and I missed it.

You didn't ask me to explain my reads, I didn't try and explain my reads. You fired a pot shot and that's what I pointed out to you. You still haven't asked me what read you want me to explain so I am continuing to not explain it for that exact reason.

I mean you can not have depth and have unique thoughts that pertain to the game rather then just a blanket tell such as "these guys aren't casing enough". I.e you can not have depth and have proper follow up in such a way that makes someone town.

I don't know why you felt the need to catch up page by page without commenting on things without saying what was happening.
Lack of depth and you going through motions.

Your read of "not explaining reads" without asking me to do so or following up on it.
Again throw away reasons and a lack of commitment to reads.

Then you did this fake "gotcha" moment pressuring individual word choices.


This isn't town arguing with me, it's scum playing a game of rhetorics.

 

[AL_sama]

of course it has. I can't make a Poe from 20 players in 8 hours. Can you?

with this much activity obviously yes I can

 

[AL_sama]

What's POE mean?

process of elimination

 

[Toujo]

I am not stepping back at all you posted in a block of posts I didn't particularly pay attention to and I missed it.

You didn't ask me to explain my reads, I didn't try and explain my reads. You fired a pot shot and that's what I pointed out to you. You still haven't asked me what read you want me to explain so I am continuing to not explain it for that exact reason.

I mean you can not have depth and have unique thoughts that pertain to the game rather then just a blanket tell such as "these guys aren't casing enough". I.e you can not have depth and have proper follow up in such a way that makes someone town.

I don't know why you felt the need to catch up page by page without commenting on things without saying what was happening.
Lack of depth and you going through motions.

Your read of "not explaining reads" without asking me to do so or following up on it.
Again throw away reasons and a lack of commitment to reads.

Then you did this fake "gotcha" moment pressuring individual word choices.


This isn't town arguing with me, it's scum playing a game of rhetorics.

I don't want to lean onto meta, and I don't want to defend Aether, but this is his MO, specially recently. Obviously you can only take my word for it, but what you describe as scummy behaviour, while certainly scummy, is something of a false positive when it comes to Aether.

 

[Michelle]

I don't demand they play to my standards Michelle. That would of course be impossible for 99% of the playerlist. I'm asking you. I brought up that Poison seemed to go hunt for info, and then never came back with it. Your response was she's sleeping. I then pointed out that that isn't a vlaid excuse, as she had plenty of time to post her conclusions during the time she was still here. There is nothing asinine there.

So, question. What is prompting this undue defence of Poison? Is it some kind of xenophobic "she's part of my community so I don't want these outsiders to isolate her" mindset? Or is there something else to it? Is Poison unable to address this herself when she comes back?

i don't feel the need to answer with the same tone but you show an aggresivity that is not just unneeded but can become toxic so please don't give me big words and accept the reality of time zones and different play styles, moods, reasons to play, and anything makes us so different from each other.
Thanks for understanding.

What makes me defend her is the fact you were, again, assuming a thing that gives a shade.