Since I can't bear hearing Houtarou cry about no one addressing his 'defense' I'll give him some mercy.
I don’t have the faintest idea of how can you take these simple queries as an attempt to buddy with Toujo. Tell me Mr.X you don't ask questions in positive mannerism or whenever you do you always consider that as an attempt to pocket someone even for yourself? There is very little no reason to say this an attempt to pocket Toujo or even buddy them. Your antics here seems more like making a mountain of a molehill.
Why did you start to choose your defense here by attacking me about bringing up a possible buddy attempt by Ratchet? This tells me there's something important here if you're choosing to start your argument off with it. It's funny because there's actually no defense here, you instead say you can't see my point and then go on to attack my line of questioning, making me think like I'm the crazy one even bringing this up, (pretty sure this is called gaslighting). So, yeah, you didn't actually make a defense here.
So I can't even afford to be confused about someone's alignment? How that's convenient? tell me. How that's a wolf motive? ... it was my thought that I laid out.
Meta is an extremely cruel illusion. Exactly because you've never played with poison you have no Meta to take into consideration while making your read on her, such as her natural behavior where she tends to fluff a lot, extremely friendly, etc, etc. Although, the way she crafted her arguments gave me discomfort and doubt become thorns and unpleasant feelings causing everything to go to waste. Even my very read on her. That was something I was supposed to have noticed and I did since meta is our own subconscious that we can't avoid no matter the reason. So while I did read poison scum I can't just ignore something that makes her look good in my eyes just to be convenient to my reasoning and follow others. This is where the doubts were born for me. I was hesitated at how to give my read on poison. I was not pointing out Poison good points as her scum buddy but someone who has experience with both her personality and gameplay and as town who thinks it was necessary to point out what I've seen in her posts. I think that what played a major part in my reads as well, poison tried to copy her town play-in the game but didn't able to properly... this becomes the reason that I was confused what read I should give it to Poison since her gameplay was between her wolf and town play while as someone who never played with poison you have no cause for concern or even being aware of her gameplay to take that into consideration while making your read on her. You were free from that Meta. I'm sure this is part of the reason you read Toujo good because you think he's playing his town meta. No?
As I mentioned before I never go into details unless its someone I am reading wolf and convinced I am gonna lynch them hence I pointed out my doubts and case on Toujo with best of my abilities in this post;
Also, I did not argue with Toujo because I'm not going convince them that they're scum and they need to vote for themselves because that ain't gonna happen. Also so far Toujo has been just saving his own spot so I really wouldn't give entire credit to them for poison lynch or they also voted kyte last phase and now when they said beginning to this DP they're reading me town they still voted me to save their own spot. Again. I don't know what more example u need to be convinced that Toujo so far has been very rigid with their reads and not really doing anything to help the town
Though yeah on a reassessment the rigidity of my reads is pretty bad. Also, I didn't snap on Toujo as scum, I was keeping options open while still suspecting toujo and others lol
This had nothing to do with your confusion about someone's alignment, this is about how it looks like you are already bowing out on giving an opinion on Poison, who conveniently flipped wolf. I mean, seems odd that you want to take a backseat on it.
Like, what the **** is this? Why are you writing me a wall explaining the importance of meta? Fun fact, Poison said she ALWAYS subs out when she rands wolf, so how could you have possibly been reading her scum if you're basing things off of meta? That's just a straight up lie and your wall of text makes it seems like you're responding when there's actually nothing there except you telling me why meta is important.
That's just a really shitty way to play Mafia. You're just never going to give any reasons for your actions unless you feel for sure about lynching a wolf. That's not a defense whatsoever, I'm sorry, it's not. And if that's seriously how you play as town, you need to reevaluate your strategy.
Again you bring up Ratchet here for some reason? Seems like you have a fascination of making sure that everyone knows you and Ratchet have bee against each other.
Oh, but then you go and end this section of your 'defense' saying that you could look bad based on what you've done. And you begged everyone to vote Ratchet, doesn't seem like you kept options open.
Didn't you say that you read poison scum for her two posts beginning of day 2? Surely you should understand the meaning of reading someone from a few pots, no? I don't understand how you come to such a conclusion when you read someone from their few posts. I see a contradiction here. but if you're planning to declare reading someone from their few posts meaningless, then please at least elaborate on your reason for it because you have used that as well. Although I'm pretty sure despite being confronted with such a contradiction you will try to come up with something rather than just agreeing with me.
On the side note, Just Red was looking rather composed, detach, and disengaged for someone who likes to engage in arguments a lot as a town. This means she did not intend to create an argument that could be ambiguous or even her reads itself. Let me get this straight. She was trying to give players a bare minimum to work with which did not sit well with me. You don't always need some big reason or elaborate description to read someone wolf. A small reason that looks very flesh out to you works as well. Also, there was a decisive flow in Red's posts, which made me feel uneasy about her.
While I have to say RGK was a hunch from my side because neither I was reading him a town and neither good. As well, I wanted to use him as a bait to get some reaction from Toujo D1. So I was being subjective with his case though I wasn't really able to fathom Toujo reaction to that(lol), so it really didn't work out for me D1
I had initial suspicion on Poison for her entrance into the game, yes, but my suspicion of her increased by the shoddy defense she employed and how
FROZEN she became in D1, all the while articulating my ideas and feelings towards Poison in the thread to actually help town out. You on the other hand, have constantly buried Just_Red's name at any moment in order to hang a lynch on here. I also love how your notion of how an argument works is that I should just agree with you instead of trying to come up with an argument against what you've presented.
So, you meta read Just_Read and that's why you've offered her name up over ten times as a potential lynch? What decisive flows make you feel uneasy? This is why you get a scum read because literally anyone can just say these vague thoughts and pretend they're doing a service.
Was not dodging that but I thought I'll address this post later but I completely I forget about it.
About your Luku argument, I did say that Luku probably is scum. How should I say it, it's the way Luku uses his words that's weird, this is a really complex read. In all honesty, you could only throw a wild hunch in order to read Luku since his posts don't really help you from both points of view. You can't fathom them, also you can read his last game as well, he played exactly like that and he was scum there. So yeah I thought he was bad but after Poison flip and his interaction with poison, it became hard for me to believe he can be scum. Poison even made a side comment saying, "Luku probably is town" which was TMI inductive in a way. Also, chances of making a correct wild guess would have been less than one in a twenty. It's not that simple
Not really sure how this helps your defense here.
Yup, that's what I meant. Last game where I was scum, I went with mostly random kills with no motivation behind them, I know one more player who exactly kills in that same manner and that person is
@Rej whom I reading town so if it was random it has to be someone else. The impression I've got from Michelle kills felt totally random to me with no motivation behind it... though if there was indeed motivation behind her kill then I have to say wolf interpretation of her was very wrong.
Phew... I'll explain Alice read as well. Her tone feels pure, and I like the energy of her posts. Her posts have nothing that feels forced or having an agenda behind it, she's playing the game at her own pace and sharing her own original thoughts without really thinking about them twice. It's just like a genuine carefree vibe she's got going on lol.
Ansa - He seems like a townie to me who likes to be spontaneous and more fluid with his opinion, not being afraid to say outlandish things, showing frustration over things and being stubborn and getting into arguments. While scum qualities tend to be the opposite, only appearing to figure out things, only commenting on things that are being discussed by other players, coming up with forced reasons, and generally not doing things too risky. While Ansa has been doing questionable things that may put in a bad light but his direct approach without thinking what to say tells a lot.
This is just terrible shading, honestly. If Michelle is an active and vocal player, she already has high NK equity if she's rand town. Trying to blow it off as random but also as a reason to suspect Rej is crazy. Also, how did you change your mind on Rej so quickly?
Again, how does an Ansa read here help your defense? You really chose to use your time and words oddly in this 'defense'.
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I'm saying sorry if he's town is not TMI, it's common thing to say... I felt like saying that after all the effort Kyte pulled to defend himself. It feels natural to say this because I failed to notice his point of view.
Looking back, you're right about my change of intention not sitting well. How should I put this? I only try to figure out things in my own mind while only saying the conclusion in the thread... I don't really present my flesh out thoughts unless I really am sure what I am doing. Let just say as a town I really don't think much before throwing these one-liner posts, I can explain but at the same time, I find it unnecessary to do so if I am not sure they're going to be my intial focus or not.
Also, a thought always occurs to me that am I underestimating or overestimating a player. Like I know their nature from their previous game so am I underestimating they can't do that or overestimating them by thinking they can do something like this... so yeah I just say whatever comes to my mind as a town. With that, the things thickened for me.
Well, here in your defense you are saying my point is right.
Not a soft push but something I really considered... it's very rare that scum tends to make interaction with their teammates or at least heavy interaction unless we're talking about someone we're extremely familiar with because I have put that into test myself and so far there are two players I can make heavy interactions with, or even all-out argument as scum when I am their teammate. But if that same all-out argument is with someone I am not familiar with then it lacks originality. So yeah I felt like Kyte and Poison avoided each other DP1 due to possibly being teammates... it's a simple line of think you don't have too deep into that.
One of the weird things that I find in this 'defense' is that you keep talking and defending actions that you've done in this game and really focused on that, much more than defending your behavior.
Reminder it's natural to feel conflicted when that same person has lynched scum... yeah you can consider the possibility that they're scum who bussed their teammate but it doesn't mean you can go ahead and lynch them. A benefit of the doubt in these situations is very deserving.
Also, I tend to say things like that... you can ask anyone who had played with me before. example, Alice, AL_sama, Rej, Just_Red (yes I read her bad doesn't mean she's not aware of my gameplay), probably Ryu Kishi as well. Michell, poison, and Kyte know as well, now it's not something why I am mentioning scum name it's about being my natural trait which has been questioned now.
I understand that, that's why Ratchet got the benefit of the doubt from me in D2, but you completely 180'd and have no been advocating that he's town. I can't reconcile that.
Here you're begging me to ask other people to help clear you via a meta read? Nice.
Because I'm not teeming with energy and feeling quite lazy... maybe this is my just current demeanor these days although when I play seriously I am extremely aggressive. So you need to watch out that aggressiveness.
Here, this is the fourth time you've said it now but I'm still failing to see it. To you often say things in the thread and don't follow through on them? Wait, don't answer that.
Aahh... not really. From Ultra(your friend) advice and my own observation of games I have played so far, I am fairly aware that what type things tend to get attention and whatnot. You can actually read the last game hosted here where I was scum and I avoid making such posts but as a town, I can't avoid making them because I am trying to figure out things in my own way rather than just trying to look like I am hunting.
This right here is a grade a appeal to emotion. "Your friend Ultra has given me tips on how to play better, that means I cannot be caught anymore!" This is garbage and has nothing to do with the game. Stop.
