Six Path Of Pain VS Namikaze Minato
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The Paths of Pain takes this one. All of Minato's attacks and abilities can be countered, Im going to list the known moves that he has shown so far:
Minato's intelligence- People keep saying that if Jiraiya can figure out the secret of Pain then surely Minato can too. No not necessarily, the only reason Jiraiya figured out Pains secrets was because he knew the original body owners the paths are using. I doubt Minato met/knew about them, Yahiko or even Nagato. Although Im going to be generous and say that Minato will figure out the secrets as the fight wages on.
Minato's speed- Super fast speed in a blink of an eye, well good thing the paths have shared visions because of the Rinnegan. Deva Path to use Banshou tenin to pull or Shinra tensei to push Minato away while the other paths are working as eyes.
FTG- Sure he can throw kunais around the battlefield to teleport in order to avoid getting attacked here and there but would ultimately be useless because of shinra tensei knocking them far away by Deva Path again. And this can only happen for so long as he wouldnt have infinite kunais, or does he? :S Ultimately Deva Path can use Chibaku tensei to attract everything, including the FTG kunais. Where would Minato teleport then? He'll get crushed by the large rocks.
Summoning Toads- Well hello Animal Path to keep the toads busy, especially the multiplying dogs.
Ransengan- Easily countered by Preta Path. Even if one Path gets hit, it will be revived.
Dead Demon Consuming Seal- Useless against the paths, who are already dead, as this requires a soul to be taken. In this case there isnt one as Nagato is somewhere hiding as the OP says.
Minato's SM? - Unless you have pure facts from the manga, we dont know for sure as its all speculation. From this point, Minato cant use SM to track down Nagato via chakra rods. I read someone saying "Minato to touch the ground with this finger to find out where Nagato is" lol dont make me laugh.
So there you go, all known attacks and abilities can be countered one way or another. But does Minato have counters for these:
Chakra Rods- if Minato gets pierced by these, he could be controlled by Nagato.
Human Path- instant death if soul is removed.
Chibaku Tensei
Large scale Shinra Tensei
Trump card, Gedo Mazo- Instant death if the dragons coming out from the mouth touches Minato. Minato could use space/time barrier to teleport it away but the dragons are quite fast as well.
Note: All of this Minato has to deal with against 6 bodies, who arent just going to stand there and watch as all of this is happening. Naruto won cause of plot no jutsu xd
Minato's intelligence- People keep saying that if Jiraiya can figure out the secret of Pain then surely Minato can too. No not necessarily, the only reason Jiraiya figured out Pains secrets was because he knew the original body owners the paths are using. I doubt Minato met/knew about them, Yahiko or even Nagato. Although Im going to be generous and say that Minato will figure out the secrets as the fight wages on.
Minato's speed- Super fast speed in a blink of an eye, well good thing the paths have shared visions because of the Rinnegan. Deva Path to use Banshou tenin to pull or Shinra tensei to push Minato away while the other paths are working as eyes.
FTG- Sure he can throw kunais around the battlefield to teleport in order to avoid getting attacked here and there but would ultimately be useless because of shinra tensei knocking them far away by Deva Path again. And this can only happen for so long as he wouldnt have infinite kunais, or does he? :S Ultimately Deva Path can use Chibaku tensei to attract everything, including the FTG kunais. Where would Minato teleport then? He'll get crushed by the large rocks.
Summoning Toads- Well hello Animal Path to keep the toads busy, especially the multiplying dogs.
Ransengan- Easily countered by Preta Path. Even if one Path gets hit, it will be revived.
Dead Demon Consuming Seal- Useless against the paths, who are already dead, as this requires a soul to be taken. In this case there isnt one as Nagato is somewhere hiding as the OP says.
Minato's SM? - Unless you have pure facts from the manga, we dont know for sure as its all speculation. From this point, Minato cant use SM to track down Nagato via chakra rods. I read someone saying "Minato to touch the ground with this finger to find out where Nagato is" lol dont make me laugh.
So there you go, all known attacks and abilities can be countered one way or another. But does Minato have counters for these:
Chakra Rods- if Minato gets pierced by these, he could be controlled by Nagato.
Human Path- instant death if soul is removed.
Chibaku Tensei
Large scale Shinra Tensei
Trump card, Gedo Mazo- Instant death if the dragons coming out from the mouth touches Minato. Minato could use space/time barrier to teleport it away but the dragons are quite fast as well.
Note: All of this Minato has to deal with against 6 bodies, who arent just going to stand there and watch as all of this is happening. Naruto won cause of plot no jutsu xd
1. How pain will rape minato ? His to fast to furies to catch him
2. Minato with only base speed and fist punch can take some of then ( naruto could also jiraya why not minato)
3. Minato will let then attack and tag then with FTG seal with out get any hit
4 . After tag then gg pain
Migato is not good against speed even with BK spot vision he can not macht with speed
minato will find out abaut those spike metals on there body and with his speed only need to do is pull then out = game over
2. Minato with only base speed and fist punch can take some of then ( naruto could also jiraya why not minato)
3. Minato will let then attack and tag then with FTG seal with out get any hit
4 . After tag then gg pain
Migato is not good against speed even with BK spot vision he can not macht with speed
minato will find out abaut those spike metals on there body and with his speed only need to do is pull then out = game over
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how can minato win....using the fight between minato and tobi is useless because tobi said nagato is stronger than him and he was in a sick state.....minato's speed is going to give him a lot of trouble but after noticing he uses speed attacks...he will probably come up with a counter....minato cant kill the path dat absorbs rasengan because naruto was only able to kill him with frog kata(dont know the spelling) jiraya with genjustu.........the fight would be hard but pain would win
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If only, just if only there were more people like you on nb.
Your more or less said everything there is to say about this fight
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I like them both, I am at both sides but lets consider some things..
1st, (Minato's side)Minato is smart, that's true, minato's ace is to mark the opponent and he's ability in case of speed is the key to mark all the paths at the same time, Kagabunshin is a jounin tech, so why cant he ? of course he can. even if deva does fly to the sky, if he has the mark b4 the battle is begin, minato will still reach him, and after attacking him, minato will just simply teleport again to the mark that he will left to the ground, (i don't think so that minato will forget to put mark on the ground so that he has a center base on where will be back again after he teleport on somewhere else. Let's say that the summoning pets has a big role in their fight, and i think in minato's level of intelligence , he will absolutely figure that only one general power can use of each path. and he will come up to an idea to kill the bodies in this sequence, animal, revive,deva/asura, and if the human and absorb is the only left, I think minato will win. he will just mop the absorb and human path by speed and rasengan, even if the absorb can absorb he's chakra i dont think he can absorb it if minato will strike him at the back. we all see that he can only absorb by raising his hands and start the absorbing. but can he raise if the opponent is minato? If asura and deva can neglect all the kunais, how if minato mark them at their bodies? will they attack themselves? i think not. its true that minato doesnt know yahiko or nagato or konan, but i know that he knows about rinnegan.and it is impossible to have the rinnegan with 6 bodies at the same time. he will absolutely be curious about it and soon minato will find the weaknessess of pain, like kakashi. without asura, kakashi can beat the deva with the akamichis. and i think minato>kakashi and akamichis doesnt he ?
2nd (Pain's side) infos and chakras are the only keys that nagato will hold to control this battle. if minato doesnt know about pain, he will absolutely lose. and in terms of chakra,a minato will also lose, what if nagato plans to hide the animal and revive inside the chameleon ? and deva will fly ? and the other 3 is the diversion while deva is plannin to sacrifice them to beat minato, (only deva is the important among those body) so he can simply use great shinra tensei or chibaku tensei or anything element techs, nagato has more techs on his sleeves than minato, we dont know if he has something that can hold minato off to the ground with earth style, slice him with wind style, burn him with fire style, and slow him with water style .even if he teleports inside the water, he will lose his breath.
1st, (Minato's side)Minato is smart, that's true, minato's ace is to mark the opponent and he's ability in case of speed is the key to mark all the paths at the same time, Kagabunshin is a jounin tech, so why cant he ? of course he can. even if deva does fly to the sky, if he has the mark b4 the battle is begin, minato will still reach him, and after attacking him, minato will just simply teleport again to the mark that he will left to the ground, (i don't think so that minato will forget to put mark on the ground so that he has a center base on where will be back again after he teleport on somewhere else. Let's say that the summoning pets has a big role in their fight, and i think in minato's level of intelligence , he will absolutely figure that only one general power can use of each path. and he will come up to an idea to kill the bodies in this sequence, animal, revive,deva/asura, and if the human and absorb is the only left, I think minato will win. he will just mop the absorb and human path by speed and rasengan, even if the absorb can absorb he's chakra i dont think he can absorb it if minato will strike him at the back. we all see that he can only absorb by raising his hands and start the absorbing. but can he raise if the opponent is minato? If asura and deva can neglect all the kunais, how if minato mark them at their bodies? will they attack themselves? i think not. its true that minato doesnt know yahiko or nagato or konan, but i know that he knows about rinnegan.and it is impossible to have the rinnegan with 6 bodies at the same time. he will absolutely be curious about it and soon minato will find the weaknessess of pain, like kakashi. without asura, kakashi can beat the deva with the akamichis. and i think minato>kakashi and akamichis doesnt he ?
2nd (Pain's side) infos and chakras are the only keys that nagato will hold to control this battle. if minato doesnt know about pain, he will absolutely lose. and in terms of chakra,a minato will also lose, what if nagato plans to hide the animal and revive inside the chameleon ? and deva will fly ? and the other 3 is the diversion while deva is plannin to sacrifice them to beat minato, (only deva is the important among those body) so he can simply use great shinra tensei or chibaku tensei or anything element techs, nagato has more techs on his sleeves than minato, we dont know if he has something that can hold minato off to the ground with earth style, slice him with wind style, burn him with fire style, and slow him with water style .even if he teleports inside the water, he will lose his breath.
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If Tobi could manipulate the mentality of Nagato and use him to destroy Konoha(mentioned in manga) yet be easily defeated by Minato Namikaze, how can Nagato ever defeat Minato??!
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thanks for the compliment xd props to you also for using logic and not hype as well, which is also the norm when it comes to dojutsu.
i'm not saying the summons are useless, but minato with his speed can almost ignore them. the dog is probably the strongest summon in the series, after gedo mazo, and pretty much indestructible, but not all that fast. the crab is tricky too, but i doubt he can cover all of what's left of konoha, minato can simply change location. although he could limit the use of minato's kunai markers. as to the bird, yeah the paths can use it to fly, but then they can't attack xd except for the larger scale shinra tensei. and the summons are taken care of if the animal path is defeated.
i'm not sure about the rasengan, naruto did remove the chakra rods from the deva true, but the other paths hit by the rasengan (animal and the reviving) weren't restored... it seems to be enough to incapacitate them for the length of a battle at least. and minato does have other low tech options like decapitation, removing the chakra rods or their eyes too.
to be fair, pain starts at an overwhelming advantage, minato has to figure out each pain's ability, and nagato has a much wider and more powerful range of jutsu. And i'm almost sure that Nagato will survive, it's possible that minato can figure out that there's someone controlling the pains but given that it took an entire village plus jiraiya's inside knowledge ages to figure it out, it's too much to assume. so even if Minato defeats the pains, Nagato can still make more. But, it's been shown that the linked vision can be overcome with speed (jiraiya blinding one pain with a kick), so it's not impossible for minato to win.
i disagree, although you make a good set of points.
Minato's intelligence- i'm almost sure that minato CAN'T realise the true secret about nagato. but that is irrelevant since the fight is Minato vs the paths only, so he just needs to figure out their abilities, which he definitely can, Jiraiya and Kakashi managed to do so pretty quickly and Minato is smarter than both.
Minato's speed- it's already been shown that the rinnegan link can be overcome with speed. Jiraiya managed to blind one pain with a kick. plus, teleportation is much harder to keep track of, anticipate and react to. Furthermore, the rinnegan link can be broken, which Naruto and the frogs managed to do twice. Ignore that point though, as it hasn't been shown that minato has the jutsu to do so, i'm just putting it out there.
FTG- true, bansho tenin, the water crab, and chibaku tensei are good counters for FTG kunai. although the deva path has to move much closer to nagato than konoha to do so, meaning that the kunai will be left behind and presenting a wonderful opportunity for minato to escape. Also, Minato can also make seals on the pain's bodies, just by sparring. Preta,Animal,Asura and Deva path all sparred with naruto, despite him having sm and being able to destroy a pain with a single hit. that's more than half the pains.
Rasengan- only the Preta Path can deal with it, and the Naraka paths can only revive once or twice before he's noticed or targeted. And if the revived path is marked, he's going to die pretty soon.
DeadDemon Seal- irrelevant to the battle
Minato's Sm (if any)- also irrelevant as that is just speculation
Tobirama's sensing jutsu- only useful if the pains have retreated near nagato.
as to nagato's jutsu
Chakra Rods- if Minato gets pierced by these, he could be controlled by Nagato. true, if he can hit minato with them. which is no easy feat given that minato can teleport away. not to mention that whether minato can teleport or not after being stabbed is a question mark
Human Path- instant death if soul is removed. as above, the human path has to capture minato. easier said than done
Chibaku Tenseivalid elsewhere, but seeing as deva path has to flee close to nagato to do this, and minato has to chase hiim, and leave kunai behind, it's easy to escape
Large scale Shinra Tenseitrue, i can't imagine minato escaping this.maybe s/t barrier? but unlikely. On the other hand, this would target the other paths too, plus if minato survives, the deva path has to fight hard to survive without his powers
Trump card, Gedo Mazo- Instant death if the dragons coming out from the mouth touches Minato. Minato could use space/time barrier to teleport it away but the dragons are quite fast as well. we don't know if the pain can summon it. i don't think so, and i don't think minato will realise that there's nagato to beat also. on the other hand, if it does come to that, i don't see how minato will deal with it either. best summon in the series by far.
sorry for the poor quoting job xD
i agree that naruto only beat pain with knowledge and plot though, but i still don't think naruto has surpassed minato, even now, despite him being my favourite character. in power, definitely, but overall, no.
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