Should Trans Go The Restroom Of They New Gender Or Nah?

[slimreaper]

I didn't literally mean physical strength, I meant perceiving them generally inferior/unreliable/emotionally weak/whatever. Like even if the transman worked out and was bulky compared to like, skinny jeans hipster man

compared to a real man they are all of these things. They are the same as off brand corn flakes

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

compared to a real man they are all of these things. They are the same as off brand corn flakes

Were you bullied by a transman? kun:

 

[Legendary Saiyan]

Pokayo's sigs are no chill. I can't even laugh cuz my parents here

 

[Tarkatower]

bathrooms.... have to be protected. Men go to men room, women go to women room. Toddlers of opposite *** are exempted. If you think you are man and you're in man room, you are good. If you think woman and you're in woman room, you're good. Bathrooms have to be peaceful.

 

[Yatori]

bathrooms.... have to be protected. Men go to men room, women go to women room. Toddlers of opposite *** are exempted. If you think you are man and you're in man room, you are good. If you think woman and you're in woman room, you're good. Bathrooms have to be peaceful.

This ^^

 

[DominiqueX]

the high level of denial here. IF you go through puberty as a woman, there's no denying you're gonna have different bone density, size, reflexes etc. For all intents and purposes they are weaker than REAL men

Weaker? I'd LOVE to see how this transman would beat you around like a punching bag xD
After it, you'd run back to your mom, trying to crawl back into her uterus again.

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[Claymantan]

Weaker? I'd LOVE to see how this transman would beat you around like a punching bag xD
After it, you'd run back to your mom, trying to crawl back into her uterus again.

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F*ck, I forgot this dude's name. I wanted to bring him up

Also, brutal

 

[slimreaper]

Weaker? I'd LOVE to see how this transman would beat you around like a punching bag xD
After it, you'd run back to your mom, trying to crawl back into her uterus again.

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I bet that woman is like 5'4 tops. Muscle mass doesn't equal strength. I'm 6'2 and actually a man. I'd slap her titties back on

 

[Avani 👑]

Make unisex washrooms and be done with it.

Women in general get much smaller share in public places. The washroom facilities for them are also less in number on an average. Then you suggest that one place they could have a little privacy and a bit of space is not their alone, but they must share it with any man who claims to identify as a woman.

What about a little space for women who are born women and not just 'think' they are women? Why it's always the women and girls who end up being pushed in the corner when people born as 'men' need more space? Why does safety and comfort of women is so low priority even in the Western world which boasts of women's rights so much? Is this some revenge for having to give them more opportunities and rights or something?

No don't give me such self claimed trans are no danger or that it's only 2 minute washroom access that's involved:

"Christopher Hambrook — who claimed to be a transgender woman named Jessica — has attacked four vulnerable females between the ages of five and 53 in Montreal and Toronto over the past 12 years."

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The guy above targeted Women in shelter for women... If these women had another place to go they wouldn't have been in that shelter.. where do you go from there..

"Seeing this individual in the locker room, parents of swim team members (girls) and women who had paid for lap swim became alarmed and alerted our front desk staff," said Seattle Parks spokesman David Takami in a statement. "In response, an Evans pool staff member entered the women's locker room and asked the man to leave." They offered both the man and the girls the opportunity to use a family changing room.

He left, only to return during a later youth lap swim, Takami said.

Officials said he had made no attempt to present himself as a woman, nor to identify as transgender when he checked in. By all appearances, he was a man.

But appearances do not matter when it comes to "gender identity." LGBT theorists hold that biological *** is distinct from gender, which is determined solely by the person's mental self-identification.


Takami affirmed, "We have guidelines that allow transgender individuals to use restrooms and locker rooms consistent with their gender identity."

"We want everyone to feel comfortable in our facilities," he said.

Some patrons feel the man, who has yet to be identified, exploited the law to peep at women."

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They want everyone to feel comfortable including pervs- but women of course they are hogging too much so just let them deal with men who walk in just claiming they are trans....

Or participate in games for women - Ignoring the bone structure that gives them advantage with bigger hands, bigger shoulder joints and what not.. or even in beauty contests because- a women is just a 'gender' identification and nothing more right? These facilities aren't made separately because of their '***' and related physical realities, but just because of their "gender ID", right?

If not, use unisex washroom or the one that goes with your equipment. If yes- Well nothing new under the sun. Women have to shut up and make do with the limited facilities all the time.They shouldn't be greedy and ask for a washroom of their own.

PS: Yeah- once again I take the unpopular side and not the fashionable and trendy one...I know going in that people are going to get all PC.

 

[Marin]

Make unisex washrooms and be done with it.

Women in general get much smaller share in public places. The washroom facilities for them are also less in number on an average. Then you suggest that one place they could have a little privacy and a bit of space is not their alone, but they must share it with any man who claims to identify as a woman.

What about a little space for women who are born women and not just 'think' they are women? Why it's always the women and girls who end up being pushed in the corner when people born as 'men' need more space? Why does safety and comfort of women is so low priority even in the Western world which boasts of women's rights so much? Is this some revenge for having to give them more opportunities and rights or something?

No don't give me such self claimed trans are no danger or that it's only 2 minute washroom access that's involved:

"Christopher Hambrook — who claimed to be a transgender woman named Jessica — has attacked four vulnerable females between the ages of five and 53 in Montreal and Toronto over the past 12 years."

You must be registered for see links

The guy above targeted Women in shelter for women... If these women had another place to go they wouldn't have been in that shelter.. where do you go from there..

"Seeing this individual in the locker room, parents of swim team members (girls) and women who had paid for lap swim became alarmed and alerted our front desk staff," said Seattle Parks spokesman David Takami in a statement. "In response, an Evans pool staff member entered the women's locker room and asked the man to leave." They offered both the man and the girls the opportunity to use a family changing room.

He left, only to return during a later youth lap swim, Takami said.

Officials said he had made no attempt to present himself as a woman, nor to identify as transgender when he checked in. By all appearances, he was a man.

But appearances do not matter when it comes to "gender identity." LGBT theorists hold that biological *** is distinct from gender, which is determined solely by the person's mental self-identification.


Takami affirmed, "We have guidelines that allow transgender individuals to use restrooms and locker rooms consistent with their gender identity."

"We want everyone to feel comfortable in our facilities," he said.

Some patrons feel the man, who has yet to be identified, exploited the law to peep at women."

You must be registered for see links

They want everyone to feel comfortable including pervs- but women of course they are hogging too much so just let them deal with men who walk in just claiming they are trans....

Or participate in games for women - Ignoring the bone structure that gives them advantage with bigger hands, bigger shoulder joints and what not.. or even in beauty contests because- a women is just a 'gender' identification and nothing more right? These facilities aren't made separately because of their '***' and related physical realities, but just because of their "gender ID", right?

If not, use unisex washroom or the one that goes with your equipment. If yes- Well nothing new under the sun. Women have to shut up and make do with the limited facilities all the time.They shouldn't be greedy and ask for a washroom of their own.

PS: Yeah- once again I take the unpopular side and not the fashionable and trendy one...I know going in that people are going to get all PC.

You said everything I was gonna write but I dropped due to being tired. Gj.

@PS: Welcome to the club

 

[Claymantan]

Make unisex washrooms and be done with it.

Women in general get much smaller share in public places. The washroom facilities for them are also less in number on an average. Then you suggest that one place they could have a little privacy and a bit of space is not their alone, but they must share it with any man who claims to identify as as a woman.

What about a little space for women who are born women and not just 'think' they are women? Why it's always the women and girls who end up being pushed in the corner when people born as 'men' need more space? Why does safety and comfort of women is so low priority even in the Western world which boasts of women's rights so much? Is this some revenge for having to give them more opportunities and rights or something?

No don't give me such self claimed trans are no danger or that it's only 2 minute washroom access that's involved:

"Christopher Hambrook — who claimed to be a transgender woman named Jessica — has attacked four vulnerable females between the ages of five and 53 in Montreal and Toronto over the past 12 years."

You must be registered for see links

The guy above targeted Women in shelter for women... If these women had another place to go they wouldn't have been in that shelter.. where do you go from there..

"Seeing this individual in the locker room, parents of swim team members (girls) and women who had paid for lap swim became alarmed and alerted our front desk staff," said Seattle Parks spokesman David Takami in a statement. "In response, an Evans pool staff member entered the women's locker room and asked the man to leave." They offered both the man and the girls the opportunity to use a family changing room.

He left, only to return during a later youth lap swim, Takami said.

Officials said he had made no attempt to present himself as a woman, nor to identify as transgender when he checked in. By all appearances, he was a man.

But appearances do not matter when it comes to "gender identity." LGBT theorists hold that biological *** is distinct from gender, which is determined solely by the person's mental self-identification.


Takami affirmed, "We have guidelines that allow transgender individuals to use restrooms and locker rooms consistent with their gender identity."

"We want everyone to feel comfortable in our facilities," he said.

Some patrons feel the man, who has yet to be identified, exploited the law to peep at women."

You must be registered for see links

They want everyone to feel comfortable including pervs- but women of course they are hogging too much so just let them deal with men who walk in just claiming they are trans....

Or participate in games for women - Ignoring the bone structure that gives them advantage with bigger hands, shoulder joints and what not.. or even in beauty contests because- a women is just a 'gender' identification and nothing more right? These facilities aren't made separately because of their '***' but just because of their "gender ID", right?

If not, use unisex washroom or the one that goes with your equipment. If yes- Well nothing new under the sun. Women have to shut up and make do with the limited facilities all the time.

PS: Yeah- once again I take the unpopular side and not the fashionable and trendy side...

I'll start by saying that a couple of incidents of transwomen - whether "faking it" or genuinely identifying as women and just happening to also be criminals - does not invalidate the identity of the entire group. You can't apply this argument to any group of people. Whites did the same crap to justify segregation in the United States. We still have crap like this today (for example, Indian men are less likely to be allowed into clubs because they're viewed as a greater risk to women; minorities in general are thought to start fights, whatever). It's ultimately excuses for a peace of mind that is nonexistent and impossible. These lines we create are arbitrary, and invalidating, and are ultimately unnecessary in every case.

I understand the point of view that there should be a space where women are totally and 100% safe. However, I disagree with the way you're framing this, as if transwomen and ciswomen's rights are diametrically opposed. It's not the same fight, but there's room for communion over this.

Firstly, I'd hope that you could come to understand that there genuinely are women who are born with male genitalia and genuinely consider themselves to be women.

Now, no woman should be getting attacked in a space for women, by anyone. Shelters should be a place women can go to for safety. However, it's also true that there's no real such thing as a place where transwomen can go to feel safe either. Transwomen experience extreme violence at a frequency that is relatively greater than that of ciswomen. You can argue that the transwomen should just make their own space for safety, but this is practically infeasible due to the lack of numbers and legal protections in many areas.

Women have been historically marginalized and disallowed to have access not only to spaces, but resources, but finding common ground with transwomen should be a source of strength, not something viewed as a concession or a burden. You're all oppressed by the same system, in my opinion. Should the transwomen just be turned away by ciswomen simply because no one can afford the - I don't know, the emotional energy - to overcome the difference in anatomy? What do you expect to happen?

It's a sorry state for everyone if you view this population that oftentimes manifests even before adulthood as a bunch of threats to women's sense of safety and ownership of their own spaces everywhere.

And it's just wrong to say that transwomen are becoming women because of - what, really? Wanting to join the women's club and partake in all the wonders that entails? Well first off, many transwomen aren't even interested in women. Aside from that, transwomen who are outed get it the worst out of everybody in terms of raw statistics about employment opportunities, violence, whatever. The LGB community is hostile to them, women are hostile to them, men are killing them... And being a stealth trans isn't the best time ever. You have to constantly worry about passing effectively, if you're behaving properly, etc. Sorry to say it, but you're kidding yourself if you think transwomen are out to take anything from women.

Your argument also ignores that people can begin transitioning as early as their teens. And doing that during freaking school isn't exactly something that you can really try to hide, or expect tons of benefits from.

So there shouldn't be this divide. The differences in experiences should be acknowledged, I agree. Most sports like MMA set up rules to try and make things fair - you have to have transitioned at least two years prior to participating in MMA for example. Can't still be on certain hormones, etc. And this biology stuff is crap. The differences between transwomen and ciswomen in these sports are comparable to normal variance by things like race. It's not as unfair as people would like to make it out to be.

If you feel like transwomen are taking the spotlight from ciswomen's rights, you're looking at the wrong people to blame. That's the fault of the system that was created by cishetero men, not transwomen's existence. So it's disappointing if you couldn't find a way to be compassionate and sympathize with a like-struggle.

Also, this "trendy opinion" stuff is silly. It's not "trendy" to support trans rights. It's not "popular." If it was, nobody would be needing to have this debate, because all the laws would be in place already. People need to stop painting themselves as oppressed underdogs for no reason. Guess what most threads and posts in this forum on the topic of transpersons have been about? Hating on TG people. Let your opinion stand on its own two feet without having to resort to putting on this tired air of being so marginalized by society because of your supposedly rare opinion in a sea of imaginary progressiveness.

It's not even slightly the case, especially on this forum. People make jokes and laugh about transpeople, as is evident by this very thread. This forum, at least, is a space where women can feel far safer about themselves than trans people can. And it wouldn't take anything away from ciswomen to have the forum be more hospitable and open-minded. But no. And there's really no excuse.

It could be worse, I guess. At least every fifth member's signature isn't a gif of a transwoman shaking her butt at the viewer. There's only one of those, I think.

 

[slimreaper]

I'll start by saying that a couple of incidents of transwomen - whether "faking it" or genuinely identifying as women and just happening to also be criminals - does not invalidate the identity of the entire group. You can't apply this argument to any group of people. Whites did the same crap to justify segregation in the United States. We still have crap like this today (for example, Indian men are less likely to be allowed into clubs because they're viewed as a greater risk to women; minorities in general are thought to start fights, whatever). It's ultimately excuses for a peace of mind that is nonexistent and impossible. These lines we create are arbitrary, and invalidating, and are ultimately unnecessary in every case.

I understand the point of view that there should be a space where women are totally and 100% safe. However, I disagree with the way you're framing this, as if transwomen and ciswomen's rights are diametrically opposed. It's not the same fight, but there's room for communion over this.

Firstly, I'd hope that you could come to understand that there genuinely are Men who are born with male genitalia and genuinely consider themselves to be women.

Now, no woman should be getting attacked in a space for women, by anyone. Shelters should be a place women can go to for safety. However, it's also true that there's no real such thing as a place where transwomen can go to feel safe either. Transwomen experience extreme violence at a frequency that is relatively greater than that of ciswomen. You can argue that the transwomen should just make their own space for safety, but this is practically infeasible due to the lack of numbers and legal protections in many areas.

Women have been historically marginalized and disallowed to have access not only to spaces, but resources, but finding common ground with transwomen should be a source of strength, not something viewed as a concession or a burden. You're all oppressed by the same system, in my opinion. Should the transwomen just be turned away by ciswomen simply because no one can afford the - I don't know, the emotional energy - to overcome the difference in anatomy? What do you expect to happen?

It's a sorry state for everyone if you view this population that oftentimes manifests even before adulthood as a bunch of threats to women everywhere.

And it's just wrong to say that transwomen are becoming women because of - what, really? Wanting to join the women's club and partake in all the wonders that entails? Well first off, many transwomen aren't even interested in women. Aside from that, transwomen who are outed get it the worst out of everybody in terms of raw statistics about employment opportunities, violence, whatever. The LGB community is hostile to them, women are hostile to them, men are killing them... And being a stealth trans isn't the best time ever. You have to constantly worry about passing effectively, if you're behaving properly, etc. Sorry to say it, but you're kidding yourself if you think transwomen are out to take anything from women.

So there shouldn't be this divide. The differences in experiences should be acknowledged, I agree. Most sports like MMA set up rules to try and make things fair - you have to have transitioned at least two years prior to participating in MMA for example. Can't still be on certain hormones, etc. And this biology stuff is crap. The differences between transwomen and ciswomen are comparable to normal variance by things like race. It's not as unfair as people would like to make it out to be.

If you feel like transwomen are taking the spotlight from ciswomen's rights, you're looking at the wrong people to blame. That's the fault of the system that was created by cishetero men, not transwomen's existence. So it's disappointing if you couldn't find a way to be compassionate and sympathize with a like-struggle.

fixed it

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Yes, because to most people it looks like either "man goes into mens bathroom" or "man goes into womens bathroom", and one of those is much creepier than the other.

despite what people think, nobody studies strangers faces in bathrooms, so people don't notice, and don't care.

 

[Avani 👑]

I'll start by saying that a couple of incidents of transwomen - whether "faking it" or genuinely identifying as women and just happening to also be criminals - does not invalidate the identity of the entire group. You can't apply this argument to any group of people.

I'm not going to read that essay because this first line itself makes it clear that you didn't bother to understand my point and start with an invalid argument and go on with typical essay without taking my POV in consideration.

I'm not labeling an entire group- I'm demanding my right to feel comfortable and safe in the little space, I'm told, is allocated for the *** I belong to. Washrooms are not made because of "gender ID' alone. And adjusting trans people in women's washroom is not a real solution to their problem. It's like saying "men can have their space and everyone else who doesn't identify as a man, regardless of their actual ***, is to be fit in the other washroom. Because of the demand alone.

I wonder how men will feel if a transman who only identifies himself as a man goes in men's room and starts changing his pads and throws the used one in bins.

Also, this "trendy opinion" stuff is silly. It's not trendy. It's not popular. If it was, nobody would be needing to have this debate, because all the laws would be in place already. People need to stop painting themselves as oppressed underdogs for no reason.

It's trendy and popular take for internet and armchair activists. And you trying to shut the voice of such people is oppression itself.

 

[Claymantan]

I'm not going to read that essay because this fiirs tline itself makes it clear that you didn't bother to understand my point and start with an invalid argument and go on with typical essay without taking my POV in consideration.

I'm not labeling an entire group- I'm demanding my right to feel comfortable and safe in the little space I'm told is allocated for the *** I belong to. Washrooms are not made because of "gender ID' alone. And adjusting trans people in women's washroom is not a real solution to their problem. It's like saying "men can have their space and everyone else who doesn't identify as a man is to be fit in the other washroom.

Second paragraph:

I understand the point of view that there should be a space where women are totally and 100% safe. However, I disagree with the way you're framing this, as if transwomen and ciswomen's rights are diametrically opposed. It's not the same fight, but there's room for communion over this.

Aside from that, I agree with you that it's unfair that men can feel safer than everybody wherever and claim any space. My post was about why this shouldn't prevent women of both birth types from communicating/building communal spaces.

It's trendy and popular take for internet and armchair activists. And you trying to shut the voice of such people is oppression itself.

Yeah I definitely didn't try to shut the voice of anybody. Show me a single phrase where I told people not to state their opinion. I only stated what kinds of opinions were being shared in general, from my point of view, and said that people shouldn't state those opinions while trying to argue that they're underdogs.

Again, look at the forum. See who's making threads on this topic and why. Even so, I'm not silencing or oppressing anybody by telling them that their opinion isn't as rare as they think it is. In fact, I encouraged you to make your opinion without relying on this idea of trendiness and popularity.

The activist side of the Internet gets publicized, but both sides exist, and in places like this, there's clearly one side that gets played over and over again more than the other.

EDIT: I think you added this after I responded, or I failed to really internalize this point:

It's like saying "men can have their space and everyone else who doesn't identify as a man, regardless of their actual ***, is to be fit in the other washroom. Because of the demand alone.

Were you arguing seriously for unisex bathrooms? I couldn't tell. If you were, then I can agree with your logic. If you weren't, I disagree with this statement, because if transwomen identify as women, then why wouldn't they want to be in the women's washroom?

 

[Avani 👑]

Second paragraph:

No thanks as you took it in to consideration only to dismiss the concern superficially.

Aside from that, I agree with you that it's unfair that men can feel safer than everybody wherever and claim any space. My post was about why this shouldn't prevent women of both birth types from communicating/building communal spaces.

Let men make communal space with such men.

Yeah I definitely didn't try to shut the voice of anybody. Show me a single phrase where I told people not to state their opinion. I only stated what kinds of opinions were being shared in general, from my point of view, and said that people shouldn't state those opinions while trying to argue that they're underdogs.

Yea calling it silly and telling them they shouldn't mention, the internet and armchair activists who jump up in defense to such laws, is very encouraging.

Again, look at the forum. See who's making threads on this topic and why. Even so, I'm not silencing or oppressing anybody by telling them that their opinion isn't as rare as they think it is. In fact, I encouraged you to make your opinion without relying on this idea of trendiness and popularity.

The activist side of the Internet gets publicized, but both sides exist, and in places like this, there's clearly one side that gets played over and over again more than the other.

Ohh thanks for the manly condescension of encouraging me!! I wasn't referring to you personally when I made the original comment ( I didn't even quote you there) either so what why what you said personally is the only consideration in this stance?

I said that as a light joke in context of NB because I'm often the only mod who posts and goes against popular opinion here and is flamed for it here all the time. You are not active enough to know the contexts but presuming you are in the know.

 

[Claymantan]

No thanks you took it in to consideration only to dismiss the concern superficially.

If you mean that I was trying to dismiss the concern in that paragraph, no I wasn't. I'll just summarize what I understood your point to be: Women don't have enough spaces of their own as it is, and the popularization of trans rights activism takes those spaces away from women even more, whether that's in women's shelters, or sports, or whatever is supposed to be exclusive to women. Pretty much every paragraph I wrote deals with this idea. I don't know what you think I wrote about.

If my first paragraph was irrelevant to anything you were saying, I'm sorry, but this is how I interpreted you bringing up the acts of violence. But only that one paragraph talks about that anyway.

Let men make communal space with such men.

Nonetheless, I guess it's pointless to argue if this is how you see it. I'm not really interested in getting people to change the definition of what they regard as male and female, only to see the consequences of handling things this way.

Yea calling it silly and telling them they shouldn't mention the internet and armchair activists who jump up in defense to such laws is very encouraging.

See below. But I stand by that nothing I said should have been interpreted as "shut up." Anyway, if you wanna say it's trendy, yeah, it's "trendy" in the sense that people are talking about this now more than they ever used to. But the people who have had the opposite opinion have always been there. I acknowledge that your opinion, specifically, is a bit different.

Ohh thanks for the manly condescension of encouraging me!!

...Manly condescension? Is there a way for me to express that I wasn't trying to shut you up without coming off as condescending? If I was condescending, I'm sorry.

I wasn't referring to you personally when I made the original comment ( I didn't even quote you there) either so what why what you said personally is the only consideration in this stance?

I said that as a light joke in context of NB because I'm often the only mod who posts and goes against popular opinion here and is flamed for it here all the time. You are not active enough to know the contexts but presuming you are in the know.

Maybe this is true. I probably misinterpreted your statement. I'm sorry. But there wasn't really a way for me to see that you were specifically talking about yourself in comparison to other mods; it just seemed like a general comment.

 

[Avani 👑]

If you mean that I was trying to dismiss the concern in that paragraph, no I wasn't. I'll just summarize what I understood your point to be: Women don't have enough spaces of their own as it is, and the popularization of trans rights activism takes those spaces away from women even more, whether that's in women's shelters, or sports, or whatever is supposed to be exclusive to women. Pretty much every paragraph I wrote deals with this idea. I don't know what you think I wrote about.

If my first paragraph was irrelevant to anything you were saying, I'm sorry, but this is how I interpreted you bringing up the acts of violence. But only that one paragraph talks about that anyway.

You claim to say you understand my concern but you dismiss it as unimportant/non consequential anyway. You insist it doesn't take anything from them when I know better. Even that little space isn't exclusive anymore and women are left on their own to manage with what they can get.

In fact I noticed you added this to you previous post:

Were you arguing seriously for unisex bathrooms? I couldn't tell. If you were, then I can agree with your logic. If you weren't, I disagree with this statement, because if transwomen identify as women, then why wouldn't they want to be in the women's washroom?

In first half you failed to notice what I said thrice and in second half you ignored 'what women want' against 'what that self identified trans may want'.
According to you- It's important to give a self identified trans space in women's washroom because he wants it. You even lectured how women should communicate and share it. But you ignore that you are pushing them on women in a place like washroom and do not want to consider their side.

Nonetheless, I guess it's pointless to argue if this is how you see it. I'm not really interested in getting people to change the definition of what they regard as male and female, only to see the consequences of handling things this way.

You disregard concerns of women and the consequences that they will have to deal with. That makes your arguments, fractured ones to begin with.

See below. But I stand by that nothing I said should have been interpreted as "shut up." Anyway, if you wanna say it's trendy, yeah, it's "trendy" in the sense that people are talking about this now more than they ever used to. But the people who have had the opposite opinion have always been there. I acknowledge that your opinion, specifically, is a bit different.

...Manly condescension? Is there a way for me to express that I wasn't trying to shut you up without coming off as condescending? If I was condescending, I'm sorry.

Well you encouragement was based on the wrong assumption...

Maybe this is true. I probably misinterpreted your statement. I'm sorry. But there wasn't really a way for me to see that you were specifically talking about yourself in comparison to other mods; it just seemed like a general comment.

It was more like a caveat. You still didn't get it but never mind. It's not worth more explanation.

 

[Deadlift]

Just trying to figure the reaction of women at a man in their toilets

 

[Alice in Noodleland]

Yes, because to most people it looks like either "man goes into mens bathroom" or "man goes into womens bathroom", and one of those is much creepier than the other.

despite what people think, nobody studies strangers faces in bathrooms, so people don't notice, and don't care.

I look to their faces and dresses. But I do it in a very subtle way especially when I'm using washrooms at McDonalds.
Sometimes there were people who go there just to use some drugs .
Some Gypsies every now and then.

So why I'm concious like this? Because I'm a female and my genital requires me to sit.