Should Shinobi's give up their family for the village?

[whiteboy2345]

I've noticed that the majority of the Naruto fanbase finds what Itachi did to be heroic, but was it really worth it? Murdering your entire clan, your mother and father, for a bunch of strangers who wouldn't care?

Sasuke chose revenge over the village, but wouldn't the rest of us? If we had the means to avenge our murdered family, wouldn't we at least try? Why would any of us really cling to a village full of people we don't know, when our family's murder is out there for the killing. The Will Of Fire seems to be an ideology focused on brainwashing kids into complete loyalty to the village, but if anything, Itachi had no reason to love Konoha.

Itachi takes pride in Konoha but at the same time, there wasn't anything that tied him to it. He had no one there that he loved besides Sasuke, it just seemed like something that Kishimoto added to justify his very rash actions.

I want other people's perspective on this, because a lot of people seem angry with Sasuke's character for abandoning the village, when facing the facts, he didn't really have any worthwhile ties when he was there.

 

[BlacLord™]

It's part of the job.

After all, you don't have to become a shinobi.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Good job sagebee look what you started kun:

 

[JStar King]

Who wouldn't be pissed off and want revenge for the people they love? If people really expected Sasuke to go back and act like everythng is okay after learning all the shady crap that the village did to his family since Tobirama's rise to power, they're dumb.

But what make me laugh is how people could rationalize it and say they wouldn't want revenge. So if someone kills their family to save a nation that is full of corruption and is known for starting wars (Sounds like the USA) and is also known for discriminating, oppressing, dehumanizing, and treating their family like dogs (Sounds the same as what happened to Native Americans and Black people), they wouldn't be angry.

Ha! :lol

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Sasuke wanting revenge on the peeple who put Itachi on the path of killing his entire clan is absolutely understandable. However taking revenge on the entire village which didn't even know the truth about the uchiha massacre and had nothing but respect for the clan is absolutely wrong.

 

[JStar King]

Sasuke wanting revenge on the peeple who put Itachi on the path of killing his entire clan is absolutely understandable. However taking revenge on the entire village which didn't even know the truth about the uchiha massacre and had nothing but respect for the clan is absolutely wrong.

I completely understand you on that one. He should've wen after all the elders and Konoha's council for what happened. He already got Danzo.

 

[whiteboy2345]

It's part of the job.

After all, you don't have to become a shinobi.

In a way that's a fair point, but the show constantly stresses the idea of protecting what's precious to you. Most of the shinobi we see pretty much lost everything to the point that the village was all they really could care for in the end, a.k.a Kakashi. What really defines being a shinobi in the show? Seeing as though there's multiple philosophies on what it's all about.

I'm sure the shinobi in the warring states felt like the job of being shinobi revolved around money.

 

[Pretentious]

It's literally this simple; x dozen Uchiha lives vs hundreds/thousands of innocent villagers. Which is the most sensible choice?

This is equivalent to if your family were all attempting mass murder in a mall full of innocence -- Would you join them? Or stop them because you see the bigger picture?

Itachi saw the bigger picture, the Uchiha (though their anger from oppression justified) took to his pacifistic ideals, and slaughtered his clan.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

I completely understand you on that one. He should've wen after all the elders and Konoha's council for what happened. He already got Danzo.

Exactly.

 

[JStar King]

It's literally this simple; x dozen Uchiha lives vs hundreds/thousands of innocent villagers. Which is the most sensible choice?

This is equivalent to if your family were all attempting mass murder in a mall full of innocence -- Would you join them? Or stop them because you see the bigger picture?

Itachi saw the bigger picture, the Uchiha (though their anger from oppression justified) took to his pacifistic ideals, and slaughtered his clan.

But what about the children and babies, who were Uchiha, or other members who had nothing to do with the coup? That's just plain wrong and you know it.

 

[Pretentious]

But what about the children and babies, who were Uchiha, or other members who had nothing to do with the coup? That's just plain wrong and you know it.

A life is a life, no matter the form -- infant, child, adolescent, adult, elder -- A life remains just that, a life. Age has no effect on importance. Itachi did the noble thing; several dozen innocent lives < hundreds/thousands of innocent ones.

 

[Punk Hazard]

One clan vs an entire village? Needs of the many, man.

 

[Warlocks]

family>village

 

[UnknownJin]

They wanted my clan dead, i would kill them in return.

 

[JStar King]

A life is a life, no matter the form -- infant, child, adolescent, adult, elder -- A life remains just that, a life. Age has no effect on importance. Itachi did the noble thing; several dozen innocent lives < hundreds/thousands of innocent ones.

So you would kill a child or a baby sleeping in their crib? That is not a noble thing. BULLSH*T! Get off your high horse and think about it. You would really want the death of a small child, who is not threatening whatsoever, on your conscience?

That's basically like Hitler massacring millions of Jews, including children, because he thought they were evil or a cancer on the world.

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[Punk Hazard]

So you would kill a child or a baby sleeping in their crib? That is not a noble thing. BULLSH*T! Get off your high horse and think about it. You would really want the death of a small child, who is not threatening whatsoever, on your conscience?

That's basically like Hitler massacring millions of Jews, including children, because he thought they were evil or a cancer on the world.

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Look what happened to Sasuke. He survived the massacre and he endured all that hate and it messed him up to the point that he wanted to destroy the village at one point. Now imagine if it was a bunch of Uchiha who wanted to destroy the village, not just Sasuke. Besides, isn't that fan art? I'm pretty sure Sasuke was the only kid.

 

[Pretentious]

Look what happened to Sasuke. He survived the massacre and he endured all that hate and it messed him up to the point that he wanted to destroy the village at one point. Now imagine if it was a bunch of Uchiha who wanted to destroy the village, not just Sasuke. Besides, isn't that fan art? I'm pretty sure Sasuke was the only kid.

No point. He cannot comprehend reason, as his perspective is limited.

 

[Sagebee]

One clan vs an entire village? Needs of the many, man.

This was pretty much the reasoning


For itachi it wasn't about a conflict of affiliation of nationalism and tribalism, but doing the logistics and thinking what would lead to the greatest good

I fundamentally disagree with what he did when there's a will there's a way

 

[Inmate]

It's literally this simple; x dozen Uchiha lives vs hundreds/thousands of innocent villagers. Which is the most sensible choice?

This is equivalent to if your family were all attempting mass murder in a mall full of innocence -- Would you join them? Or stop them because you see the bigger picture?

Itachi saw the bigger picture, the Uchiha (though their anger from oppression justified) took to his pacifistic ideals, and slaughtered his clan.

Exactly. It was thousands of innocents verses conspiring few Uchiha's. Although they were a tad justified in their coup d'etat their ideals were threatening villagers that knew absolutely nothing of their plans.

In my personal opinion, the course of action Itachi took or the current Hokage allowed was cruel and arguably thoughtless; couldn't they incarcerate them or brainwash them, whatever was necessary without actually killing innocents, or at the very least, kill off the elders and deal with innocent Uchiha's in a nonviolent manner? Itachi quickly accepted any orders he was given, as if the village was scrupulous or unsullied in their actions (and Danzo was strongly involved in the decisions undertaken), was he too blind to see Danzo was just a merciless power-hungry murderer who collected Sharingan for a living? Shisui had told him that his other eye was snatched by the latter. He should have figured by then that Danzo was after the Uchiha and wanted them to advance his personal agendas

Sasuke's reaction wasn't far-fetched. His emotions then were all scattered and seemed to have no grasp of reality. His reality had faded the moment his clan was unceremoniously eliminated, by someone whom he trusted, someone closer to him than his parents. It had long happened but he seemed to relive the emotions every time, and his conclusion, upon realizing the truth so long concealed from him, was part-justified. Danzo had indeed been the main blameworthy person and the village was presumably the same. They didn't object to the Uchiha being slaughtered just because of some rumored conspiracy.

Additionally, Sasuke was:

(a) A teenager, had just really hit puberty

(b) Alone

(c) Confused 'cause the truth had been kept away from him for what? To protect him? It seems it only fueled more casualties


(d) Law. He personified Law. He knew how to carry out punishments and knew exactly what to do. Danzo was going about things the wrong way. He was Adolf Hitler and needed to be eliminated to ease everyone. e.g. Sai

 

[JStar King]

Look what happened to Sasuke. He survived the massacre and he endured all that hate and it messed him up to the point that he wanted to destroy the village at one point. Now imagine if it was a bunch of Uchiha who wanted to destroy the village, not just Sasuke. Besides, isn't that fan art? I'm pretty sure Sasuke was the only kid.

Who wouldn't get pissed off after knowing the truth? That's why Madara was right all along?