[Debate] Should a father and a mother have an equal say in deciding on abortion?

[-immortal-]

Do women have to cry for money tho?
I mean men have to pull off a Sasuke and and run from Child Support XD

Gurl done fuked up her life if he said no but she continued :bdpf:

Pull a sasuke but you should not return lmao

 

[Observer]

Don't make babies in the first place.

 

[Lightbringer]

I think that if the mother decides to keep the child, the father should have the option to pay child support or not instead of being forced to pay it.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Abortion should be illegal, and I'm happy in most countries is illegal. There should be no conservative or democratic political leaning to this subject. Abortion is murder, and one who murders deserves to be murdered. It doesn't take a political divide for God sake.

Abortion during the first trimester isn't murder. However, it is the prevention of developing life. You can argue abortion is bad, but not because it's murder. Before a certain point, abortion simply isn't murder.

Abortion also shouldn't be illegal. Even though I believe abortion is morally wrong, I'm pro-choice because you can't run completely on morals. You need pragmatism, you need to be realistic. Prohibition hardly works. It's happened with alcohol and, historically, it's happened with abortion.

Historically, when abortions are made illegal, it doesn't eliminate them. It just means women get more desperate and turn to more extreme methods that usually end up in death, illness and deformities. Making abortions illegal is more detrimental than progressive.

 

[Norman Bates]

Abortion is such a rough topic. I don't like thinking about it. My Mother once told me she thought about having Dylan aborted when she found out because she was so young, among other reasons. She decided to go through with having him, saying a child should not have to suffer the sins of the parent and worst case scenario she would put him up for adoption, and although he was and is troublesome, he is apart of the family. I couldn't imagine a world without him.

Mother compared parenthood to the giving tree once. It was a good comparison, but wrong. I'll never let her be anything more than the beautiful tree she is.

Anyway, I feel like I have yet to answer the question. Is it an equal say? Honestly, no. In the end, it is up to the mother. Should it be an equal say? Maybe, but the world isn't easy. I don't know what to say, honestly. Personally, I would prefer adoption in front of abortion. I am pro choice though. Every situation is different. I feel like my thoughts aren't needed. Kids are not in my future.

I'm just happy Mother had Dylan and I. Without Dylan, I wouldn't have a brother and Emma wouldn't have a boyfriend, soon to be husband. Without me being here, Mother would be alone. Her heart wouldn't have its other half in me.

 

[Legendary Saiyan]

Flip a coin lol

WDF

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

I think that if the mother decides to keep the child, the father should have the option to pay child support or not instead of being forced to pay it.

Imagine all the children with only one parent for support though.

 

[DominiqueX]

The father doesn't even have to suffer; his contributions are a few seconds; and even they're pleasurable.

Nothing compared to the months of strain that the mother has to go through, using her own body. The father has the right to state his opinion, but the final decision rests with the mother. Anyone who says otherwise is jejune.


Not to mention that a foetus is just a cluster of cells devoid of the ability to think, feel or experience. It's not sentient until after the point of which abortion is not a legal option.

This says it all.
So, no. The mother's word is the important one.

 

[Punk Hazard]

This says it all.
So, no. The mother's word is the important one.

He's wrong though. The father also has to support the mother during pregnancy, so he doesn't do zero percent of anything. 18 years of raising a child>>>>>>9 months of carrying one, so the father taking on the strain of raising the child immediately outweighs the strain the mother may face during pregnancy.

 

[Claymantan]

He's wrong though. The father also has to support the mother during pregnancy, so he doesn't do zero percent of anything. 18 years of raising a child>>>>>>9 months of carrying one, so the father taking on the strain of raising the child immediately outweighs the strain the mother may face during pregnancy.

What the **** is this blatant sexism in the 21st century doing on the internet

As in, why wouldn't both parents be contributing to raising this kid; additionally, if the mother is having a kid without the father's consent, or isn't doing so, why does the father's say outweigh the mother's based solely on the concept that he might have a job

The mother would still be doing things, in this traditional sexist mindset, such as actually taking care of the kid at home

But in the West this assumed state of affairs is outmoded even if still significantly present

So what is this

 

[Adam Driver]

I believe the choice is ultimately up to the mother however it is wrong for her to not say a thing about it to the father

 

[Rohan]

Why did Nature not add a third gender to solve this paradox ?

 

[paratise]

Lawl people who claim nutting is an equal contribution to pregnancy process are ridiculous.

OT: Like many people said father candidates (unless they are rapists) should have a say but the ultimate decision should be up to person who carries the fetus. And people have right to not use their body for someone else's advance, for ex. you have right to not donate blood or organs even if the needy one is your twin sibling. It does not matter if fetus is another "body", it has no right over anyone.

 

[Ryu Kishi]

I think people need to be sterilized for a few generations so as to bring population down a bit people are having too many dam kids we are literally f ing ourselves into Extinction

Ot: I think he should have some say but in the end its up to the mother but in my opinion people like this need sterilization U_U

 

[Prince Lucifer]

If you had read it, you would know that my argument started with this premise and showed that it doesn't work.

All what you said is a compilation of what if scenarios, what if they don't play out, what do you say then? If the dad has little to no rights, Why must he pay child support then? Why give a damn about a kid at all?

 

[Lightbringer]

Imagine all the children with only one parent for support though.

Well I don't think there is a right answer, at least not one I can come up with.

My logic is that if men had a choice to pay child support, then women might be dismayed from keeping the child.

I just believe it's unfair that men are forced to pay child support and would go to jail if they can't.

One of my closest friends is in this position and he has to work 2 jobs and 2 shifts in 1 of those jobs. He barely has a social life. Meanwhile his ex doesn't even have a job and he has to pay all of the child support.

It's ****ed up.

 

[Edogawa]

Abortion during the first trimester isn't murder. However, it is the prevention of developing life. You can argue abortion is bad, but not because it's murder. Before a certain point, abortion simply isn't murder.

Abortion also shouldn't be illegal. Even though I believe abortion is morally wrong, I'm pro-choice because you can't run completely on morals. You need pragmatism, you need to be realistic. Prohibition hardly works. It's happened with alcohol and, historically, it's happened with abortion.

Historically, when abortions are made illegal, it doesn't eliminate them. It just means women get more desperate and turn to more extreme methods that usually end up in death, illness and deformities. Making abortions illegal is more detrimental than progressive.

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[CrimsonReaper]

What the **** is this blatant sexism in the 21st century doing on the internet

As in, why wouldn't both parents be contributing to raising this kid; additionally, if the mother is having a kid without the father's consent, or isn't doing so, why does the father's say outweigh the mother's based solely on the concept that he might have a job

The mother would still be doing things, in this traditional sexist mindset, such as actually taking care of the kid at home

But in the West this assumed state of affairs is outmoded even if still significantly present

So what is this

He didn't mean that.. he basically meant what if the father doesn't want to spend money on that baby he has to have an equal say since he's gonna pay for it's shelter, nutrition and education, not only that but he'll have to take care of it, feed it, discipline it, change it's diapers..etc. If the mother wants it then fine but the father shouldn't have a hand in it.

 

[CrimsonReaper]

Why did Nature not add a third gender to solve this paradox ?

non-binary genders.