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Actually that's not unconstitutional. We have the right to bear arms but it doesn't prohibit the use of regulation over them.


"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

in·fringe
verb \in-ˈfrinj\

: to do something that does not obey or follow (a rule, law, etc.) ( chiefly US )

: to wrongly limit or restrict (something, such as another person's rights)

Etymology: Medieval Latin infringere, from Latin, to break, crush, from in- + frangere to break — more at break

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Arms regulation of any kind is unconstitutional.

"But Aim, there is a need because of [insert some modern weapon capability]"

Obviously, there is not. No one ever bothered to pass an amendment to grant the federal (or State) government the ability to regulate those arms.

All agencies and laws/regulations pertaining to arms manufacture in the U.S. are unconstitutional and should be disbanded post-haste.

If Congress wishes to put to vote an amendment that grants them the right to regulate sale of weapons domestically and abroad (Lockheed-Martin should be free to sell an F-22A to any interested party - those regulations are also unconstitutional) - then they may do so. Depending upon what it entails - I may actually support it.

Otherwise - there is always a convention of the states and direct petitioning for amendment issues.

In fact they are even regulated now, and there's a whole process as you know to even get a gun, but that's not the problem.
There are a lot of things going on, presently, that are unconstitutional. The Federal Reserve, for example, is unconstitutional and all involved in it should be charged and tried for Treason (as with our entire Congress, Supreme Court, and Presidential administration).

Social Security is unconstitutional. Food Stamps are unconstitutional.

We went from being a free market under a gold and silver backed currency system to a fascist economic system run by executive fiat. Now we have a President saying: "I will do whatever I want and go around Congress."

Which is basically saying: "I have every intention of acting to defeat the Constitution." Which, translated, means: "I have every intention of committing treason against this nation."

It happens because people use the logic of: "Well... this is the way we've been doing it... we can compromise to allow them to do a bit more." The whole "Compromise is what built this nation" lie that we were taught in school. Rebellion built this nation. The economic collapse of the Continental Congress built this nation. The Bill of Rights is an example of the fact that the Constitution - our nation - would not have been created - had the antifederalists not been remotely appeased by it. They -refused- to accept idle assurances of 'your rights will be protected.'

In the end - the vanguards against corruption grew too few, the powers of the media became corrupt, and there is no saving this nation from the inevitable collapse of our currency. But it will not be the end of the Progressive game. From the dust of that collapse will come the strongest push for communism the world has ever seen, and it will claim the lives of millions.

Well - depending upon how bad the collapse is. I suspect it will be only a partial collapse. They'll pull a Cyprus and relieve you of half of your savings account if you have more than x number of dollars (easy to do because most Americans have less than $500 in savings - many of those same Americans have student loans, are on some kind of government aid, and already have a skewed belief in the evil of wealth). Then launch a campaign against 'those who created the collapse' - the capitalists who supported profiteering insurance companies and employee enslavement at large box stores.

Dad always told me when I was growing up and talking about the idea of visiting friends in foreign countries that I'd met over the internet: "Get out while you still can."

The man saw everything that is happening today coming back in the 60s. While I'm shocked to see it (because I never truly believed it would happen) - none of it comes as any surprise. He'd told me what the coming years would look like.

I believe the people that get them legally and have a license to carry them on their person are responsible enough to carry them because honestly there's a lot of steps and courses you have to pass to get to that point. By then you know how to be responsible with a gun and use it for it's intended purpose, to protect yourself and those close to you.
Not really. Firearm registration is simply a background check that looks to see if you're a felon. Concealed Carry permits are a little stricter in some states and require you to attend a safety course that teaches you basic safety and allows you a bit of trigger time with an instructor - but little more.

What you are saying is tantamount to: "I believe people who get a drivers' license are responsible drivers."

We both know that is not the case.

The thing is that it's not necessarily irresponsible use or individual competency that is the problem (as with cars). It is whether or not one is willing to use that weapon to cause harm to others.

Does licensing drivers give them any more/less will to drive through a crowd of people with their pedal to the metal? No - nor -can- such programs identify those individuals. Even so - the number of individuals is so infinitesimally small that there would be an outrage if we suddenly decided that we needed stricter vehicle licensing controls.

The problem is the illegal owners. Those are the people who bought it off the street and think they have the power to do what they want with it. Those are the people who are shooting up movie theaters and killing people in malls, the people who haven't got the guns by legal means, who haven't had the training who think this is Grand Theft Auto and you can go around killing people because you had a bad day.
I can tell you, from what I know about arms trading.... the illegal gun owners are not the problem. There are just as many of them (if not more) as legal gun owners.

The problem is that there are people who are miserable and they want to make others miserable. That's really all it is.

The regulations set in place to get a gun weed out most of the people who aren't responsible enough to have one. So instead of putting in the effort they either steal someone else's gun or buy one off of the street.
Please, tell me what evidence there is of that being the case. There is zero competency testing involved in getting a firearm. All those do is look for a criminal record. Most of these 'mass shootings' are done by people without a previous criminal record.

I would argue that the regulations inhibit proper 'gun control.' Every firearms merchant or pawn shop owner I know is always personally engaged when handling a firearm sale. They want to make sure that the person picks out a weapon that suits them and meets their needs of performance and budget.

It's not hard to pick out when someone is 'not right' in their picking up of a firearm.

Since shootings (of people) tend to ruin the pleasantries of society - that is when firearm salesmen start to decline service and contact authorities (or, in smaller towns - the family of the person involved).

Still - most people looking to cause these kinds of problems never seek to purchase a weapon in the first place. They can be paranoid and don't want to give anyone the chance to interrupt their plan. They will go to the illegal dealers or acquire one of their own.

So - there's really no sense in regulating or regulating dealers. While you will have your merchants who "sell and don't ask questions" - those will also become favorite places for the police to keep an undercover eye on - rather than forcing those operations so deep underground that it's a great effort to track down information.

And there is no way to regulate who has illegal guns so I don't see a way that this will end. That's what I meant by my last statement on regulation on guns. I was talking about the ones without serial numbers. The ones that people who have them don't have the right to have. If we gave everyone guns to counteract this problem that would lead to more killing. Not everyone is equipped mentally to have a gun honestly. More accidental deaths would happen and deaths over little things would increase.
The evidence does not support those assumptions in the slightest.

Complacency is the lead killer among people who use firearms. Those who just keep the thing for personal defense and only occasionally even palm it are (actually) likely to forget the thing exists in a stressful situation.

And "the people who have no right to have [a firearm]?"

They have a right. It's in the Constitution in black and white.

The Constitution doesn't even empower the government to take away the firearm rights of felons.

Deaths over little things would, also, not increase.

This is the lie being fed to you by people like this douche:

[video=youtube;iJmFEv6BHM0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJmFEv6BHM0[/video]

They've no god damned clue what they are talking about.

And we put them in charge of multi-trillion dollar budgets.

That's why we are in the cataclysmic mess we are in. Senators who can't even take the time to learn the basics about an issue they want to send officers to their death over (the ultimate outcome of gun control laws), presidential administrations who repeatedly and consistently lie about legislation that has the potential to fine you for thousands of dollars a year (AND says that he will disregard the Constitution to pass by executive fiat anything he wants to get done), a white house that has launched twice as many criminal lawsuits against the media as any other white house in history....

Jesus tits - you're getting raped by a cactus and asking for more!

It's like watching someone with Stockholm Syndrome get debauched time and time again with a smile on their face. That's the hardest part about all of it.

The fact that I'll soon be hunted down and put into some kind of a social re-education camp? That's the fun part. It's watching people's good intentions be twisted by corrupt and evil people to the point where they no longer realize right from wrong that is heart-wrenching.

Just one question: Was he on prescripted "medicine"?
I can guarantee that if you were to look into his internet life and postings - he's a progressive.
 

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How do you know they were innocent, if they were all rapists would you say the same?

That argument is close to being as retarded as Kisame's face in your avatar. By that logic, one could say that the Holocaust wasn't necessarily a bad thing, because 'all the victims may have possibly been rapists'.
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