Shitting on the Genjutsu arguments by Itachi fans

[The ProphecY]

Good thread mate, almost an in-depth analysis...

But still haters gonna hates...

 

[Oblivionx]

No you're dead wrong. Itachi shit stomps rofl copter to the next dimension. So what Minato is hogake, Itachi had a hokage mindset at age 7. Minato was like 19 competing with ORochimaru for hokage seat who didn't even really want it. Itachi defeated this nub when he was 11??What could Minato at 11 do to ORochimaru. Minato is nothing to ITachi.

Itachi was in Akatsuki at 13 who most are basically as strong as kages and the leader was scared of him as well. So what does his hokageship have to do with anything other than they took two different paths.

1st i know itachi had a hokage reasoning but you were too ignorant to see what i posted as the most deadly weapon of itachi.. (analytical ability and not genjutsu gg)
2nd, age factor is pretty messed up in NV... kakashi is a little older than itachi and when minato died, he was clearly not 10 or 11 years old and itachi hadn't even met obito by then...!
3rd, you said akatsuki leader was scared of itachi.. i consider it referring to obito...! and you again failed to notice that obito wasn't scared of genjutsu, amaterasu or susano...!
4th, minato has counter to everything itachi has but itachi's intelligence but minato isn't dumb either...!
there is a reason why minato is still on the battlefield and itachi ain't because what itachi fought was at his level and what minato will accomplish is at his level...! these two are the only characters in manga which are so like each other and people just try to bash them based on their senseless opinion...! Damn...!

 

[Powerslave]

Minato needs knowledge to use Shadow Clones, Kakashi got prepared and experienced the pain Itachi's genjutsu can deal. He didn't use the clones for the first time. See what happened when he encountred Itachi for the first time >.>
All that Tsukyomi needs is a simple eye contact. Once Minato is trapped he can't be helped by his FTG nor by his friends.
One more thing, Naruto realised that he's in a Genjutsu after a short period of time. Minato won't be able to comprehend his existance in the illusionary world before It's too late. Don't forget that Itachi went easy on all of his foes, he could've easily snapped Oro's neck or slice his throat before he escapes.

 

[Oblivionx]

Minato needs knowledge to use Shadow Clones, Kakashi got prepared and experienced the pain Itachi's genjutsu can deal. He didn't use the clones for the first time. See what happened when he encountred Itachi for the first time >.>
All that Tsukyomi needs is a simple eye contact. Once Minato is trapped he can't be helped by his FTG nor by his friends.
One more thing, Naruto realised that he's in a Genjutsu after a short period of time. Minato won't be able to comprehend his existance in the illusionary world before It's too late. Don't forget that Itachi went easy on all of his foes, he could've easily snapped Oro's neck or slice his throat before he escapes.

that is the problem right there...! if minato is not in close range then catching him in genjutsu (except Tsukyomi) is useless because as long as opponent under genjutsu is struggling, the user can't move fast because he has to keep focus and keep using his chakra through eyes to keep the genjutsu on...! have you ever seen any eye based genjutsu user in manga to kill his opponent in real world while his opponent is in genjutsu??? no.... just like naruto couldn't gather sage chakra while moving, you can't keep genjutsu on while you are moving...! in all genjutsu fights, when genjutsu user moves, his genjutsu is broken... and it's a manga fact...! so if sharingan defeats anybody with genjutsu then it has to be done within genjutsu first and then in real world and if opponent can resist and finally break out of it then genjutsu user is at a disadvantage because genjutsu is the most important move in MS other than kamui...! and if opponent like minato or tobirama are in close range CQC then they are very deadly because they can just tag you and get away and you won't even notice because their fists touched your and you thought it was a taijutsu battle...! so unless you have too great power like jubi, you have to fight minato and itachi with a very keen observance as we have seen they both take advantage of analysis and that's why are incomparable...!

 

[Powerslave]

that is the problem right there...! if minato is not in close range then catching him in genjutsu (except Tsukyomi) is useless because as long as opponent under genjutsu is struggling, the user can't move fast because he has to keep focus and keep using his chakra through eyes to keep the genjutsu on...! have you ever seen any eye based genjutsu user in manga to kill his opponent in real world while his opponent is in genjutsu??? no.... just like naruto couldn't gather sage chakra while moving, you can't keep genjutsu on while you are moving...! in all genjutsu fights, when genjutsu user moves, his genjutsu is broken... and it's a manga fact...! so if sharingan defeats anybody with genjutsu then it has to be done within genjutsu first and then in real world and if opponent can resist and finally break out of it then genjutsu user is at a disadvantage because genjutsu is the most important move in MS other than kamui...! and if opponent like minato or tobirama are in close range CQC then they are very deadly because they can just tag you and get away and you won't even notice because their fists touched your and you thought it was a taijutsu battle...! so unless you have too great power like jubi, you have to fight minato and itachi with a very keen observance as we have seen they both take advantage of analysis and that's why are incomparable...!

Why do you think Minato can resist the genjutsu and place his tag at time? Minata is fast, indeed, but Itachi's genjutsu is as fast. We saw him genjutsu shinobis before the fight even starts. Minato won't be able to take care of Itachi, resist the pain and place his tag.
Itachi does not have to get very close to Minato, the latter is not a sensor nor a sharingan user, so it's not possible for him to realise he's inside the illusion and plan to break out of it.

 

[Oblivionx]

Why do you think Minato can resist the genjutsu and place his tag at time? Minata is fast, indeed, but Itachi's genjutsu is as fast. We saw him genjutsu shinobis before the fight even starts. Minato won't be able to take care of Itachi, resist the pain and place his tag.
Itachi does not have to get very close to Minato, the latter is not a sensor nor a sharingan user, so it's not possible for him to realise he's inside the illusion and plan to break out of it.

minato is a hokage, that's why...! and because we haven't seen anyone of his caliber getting one shotted with genjutsu...! and minato is fast, that's why in a taijutsu fight putting a tag on opponent is no problem...! and i know that itachi's genjutsu is fast but not fast enough to keep up with fastest shinobi.... that title alone makes minato impossible to track...! and yes we saw itachi's using genjutsu on people before fight starts but for that they need to be in close range and if minato knows that he is going to fight itachi then i see no way of him getting caught off guard...! i'm not saying that minato will place a tag while being under genjutsu, i'm just stating that ordinary genjutsu is not a problem because minato is a sensor[\B] and a hokage level shinobi...! and if dumbass naruto can realize that he is in a genjutsu then a genius like minato won't have a problem with it...!

now there is something else that i want to point out and that is that minato doesn't just rush to his opponents...! both of them go in with a plan....! minato haters show that close up scan of obito and minato and minato looking into obito's eyes, but forget that minato had already planned everything by then and was moving in for finishing blow...! he never got near his opponents without looking to finish the battle off...! but itachi does get indulged in taijutsu if genjutsu doesn't work and that's why he loses against minato...!
in the end both minato and itachi are incredible shinobis, both were feared but itachi is just not on minato's level, and he may get a few more feats but itachi is gone....! i just don't see genjutsu defeating a hokage....! n i know i seem biased towards minato but itachi is my fav character along with minato....!

 

[Owarij]

we haven't seen anyone of his caliber getting one shotted with genjutsu.

Orochimaru

 

[Gold Lightning]

So why were the senju clan always superior to the Uchiha clan. Why didn't the Uchiha just 1 shot them all with genjutsu's or Izanagi or whatever?

 

[Sennin of Logic]

There's an even more simple solution actually. All of the genjutsus Itachi's displayed have been used when he knew his enemy's exact location. Therefore, if Minato uses FTG to teleport to Itacih's blind spots(back or sides), then Itachi cannot put him under genjutsu. If you think about it, genjutsu is affecting one sense(such as vision) in order to gain control of all senses. That sounds very precise, meaning it requires knowledge of where the victim is looking. That's why FTG neutralizes it.

 

[Oblivionx]

Orochimaru

1st orochimaru is below minato when it comes to battle...!
2nd he is still alive so again how was he one shotted....?

 

[Gold Lightning]

There's an even more simple solution actually. All of the genjutsus Itachi's displayed have been used when he knew his enemy's exact location. Therefore, if Minato uses FTG to teleport to Itacih's blind spots(back or sides), then Itachi cannot put him under genjutsu. If you think about it, genjutsu is affecting one sense(such as vision) in order to gain control of all senses. That sounds very precise, meaning it requires knowledge of where the victim is looking. That's why FTG neutralizes it.

In addition to what you have said...
Pretty sure all the Genjutsu I've seen Itachi cast have have involved his opponents standing still. Once Minato scatters and spreads his kunai across the battlefield then genjutsu becomes useless; Minato's superior speed and reflexes and shunshin make genjutsu's its worst nightmare. Constant FTG renders genjutsu useless, Shadow clone feints render genjutsu useless. If Itachi even twitches a finger, Minato will react.

I'm not saying Itachi cannot defeat Minato, but certainly not with a genjutsu. To be named Hokage means to be the strongest in the village, in a time when Uchiha's still lived and were feared says a lot about Minato. Minato probably fought against them or along side them many times growing up, so he knows what to expect.

When Minato fought the Masked Man, he assumed it was Madara Uchiha because he had some intel on him. If he is brave and confident enough to go up against someone he assumed to be Madara without worrying about genjutsu, then honestly these Itachi genjutsu 1 shot gg crap needs to be brought to rest.

 

[shelke]

Kakashi came well-prepared. He already HAD made a Shadow Clone. Do you honestly think a Sharingan would miss Handseals for Bushins? Sasuke mentions during his Conversation with Obito that Bee couldn't have made Bushins as he followed his movements with his Sharingan. The rest of it is far-fetched speculation and nothing more. FTG would require reaction. When the chakra is disturbed inside the individuals head, how the heal will he use FTG?

Biggest load of crap I have seen from a Minato fanboy yet. Now he can use FTG whilst under the influence of a Genjutsu from an Uchiha; a genjutsu that even Veteran Genjutsu experts couldn't over come.

 

[closecombat22]

Minato never created clones while he was alive. this goes to show that he can't create them unless he had Kyuubi mode. Since we going off feats

Further more if FTG is so anti genjutsu and OP as you claim... Why don't tobirama and Minato just wait for Madara to cast infinite tsukyomi then attack madara? Oh right because they wouldn't be able to due to Tsukyomi being OP

Shut the fu(k up that was by the dumbest ive hear by a human

 

[Fresco]

FTG does not need body movement. Itachi's genjutsu mostly affects movement as shown in the OP.

I mean debilitations as in mental debilitations. Notice how in Sasuke's Genjutsu that Danzo and the reader are tricked into thinking that what is happening in the panels are actually happening.

So what if Itachi's tsukuyomi is stronger than that of Sasuke? It won't change the fact that he can't cast it long range. You are neglecting also the fact that Minato can use bunshin. The point you have to consider is how exactly he can use Tsukuyomi against Minato.

You missed my point. Distance isn't all that short in the scans I posted and the scan you posted when Itachi and Kakashi are facing off. In fact, everyone is referencing Minato as a close-combat fighter so why are you debating distance? I also dislike how people are using Guy as a basis for Minato fighting Itachi. Classic A>B>C logic: "If Guy can close his eyes and fight Itachi, then Minato can too." Effectively ignoring three things:

-Itachi and Guy never exchanged blows (maybe he did and I'm just not remembering correctly)
-Guy has more experience fighting the Sharingan because of his rivalry with Kakashi
-Guy's Taijutsu capabilities are above Minato​

Here are scans showing Itachi using Tsukuyomi. I want you to observe it properly.

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Against Kakashi:

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Against Sasuke:

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What did you observe? Right! Closing his eyes to change from a 3T to MS. Can someone really do an eye to eye if the other person is moving at super fast speed? No feats made by Itachi suggesting that he can cast tsukuyomi at long range.

Bravo for using part one feats, but they're trumped by part two feats: [

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]- notice the "sfx: activation" in the first scan indicating that he is activating his MS.

Kakashi came well-prepared. He already HAD made a Shadow Clone. Do you honestly think a Sharingan would miss Handseals for Bushins? Sasuke mentions during his Conversation with Obito that Bee couldn't have made Bushins as he followed his movements with his Sharingan. The rest of it is far-fetched speculation and nothing more. FTG would require reaction. When the chakra is disturbed inside the individuals head, how the heal will he use FTG?

Another thing I wanted to point out from what Shelke said: Kakashi has a tendency to start fights off by using clones to figure out his opponents abilities. In the few battles we've seen, Minato never used clones. At least, before the war-arc. If clones were a main component of Minato's arsenal, there would have been emphasis on him using them. When people say Minato will use them, they try and say he'll use them the same way Kakashi will, which just isn't true.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Minato'd be in genjutsu before you k ow it.
And ftg requires handseals he used it when he chucked his kunais to activate. Its just that minato has fast sealing speed but the solo king is faster.ps the scan about orochimaru not being able to break out is proof. Genjugsu alters the chakra flow of the user how does one use ninjutsu when there flow is altered so how does minato transport to his kunai with altered chakra without first breaking out of mugen.
Itachi solos this thread.

 

[Boston Rob]

People with Sharingan cant even see his genjutsu. Fail thread from MINATO fan