Shitting on the Genjutsu arguments by Itachi fans

[ajpn920]

Not really an Itachi fan, so i just skipped to Tsukiyomi, i would have laughed but i'm listening to some good music right now. You just put utter BS together.

It was never stated that it's short range, for all we know genjutsu sharingan techs require eye contact.

What's this BS about changing taking time, pretty sure he didn't take time when fighting Sasuke, the only time when Uchihas take time with it is for an epic reveal like Itachi did in VS Kakashi, Asuma and Kurenai.

Kakashi knew Itachi was going to use MS not what tech. If he knew i'm pretty sure Itachi won't have bothered telling him about it.

And what the hell does being Hokage have to do with knowing about MS techs, Hiruzen was Hokage and he didn't even know Itachi had MS.

In conclusion: Post facts and not false claims

Claims you say? Prove that I'm wrong. gather those facts and those facts will show you that he did it within close range. Those are all FACTS! Against Sasuke and Kakashi. He uses tsukuyomi short range.

arnt you going to feed that troll?

ot- tsukuyomi,his crows many other various genjutsu .

i think your under estimating itachi just a lil to much.

Minato cant look in his eyes, w/0 risk of being hit with genjutsu

Minato cant be hit with tsukuyomi otherwise its 90% he toast.

Minato cant really afford to be hit by any genjutsu because itachi would take advantage


i do agree with kurama minato could win, due to speed+kurama+skills of minato

If you are fighting someone, are you going to do eye to eye? or you will focus on how he move? have you been in an actual fight or a spar? if you have been then delete your post. it will show how ignorant you are in fighting. You can watch an opponent's body in general and make a counter. That's how a fight goes. If we're fighting and you'll do an eye to eye against me, then I can make you sleep with 1 blow..

 

[The Necromancer]

What genjutsu can beat Minato? tsukuyomi? Consider the distance first and how he shifted from ordinary to MS. That time alone takes time. Do you think he can use tsukuyomi with a distance of 20m plus?



lol..If Naruto notices it then why can't Minato a Hokage level?

"Gee, my friends just exploded into crows and Itachi is flying now... I wonder." Itachi can make it look as if he's standing still when in reality he's plunging a kunai into your spine.

Better debaters than you have tried to end the genjutsu argument. You're not changing anyone's mind here.

Even Sasuke used a genjutsu from a good 100 meters away, without eye contact, and managed to blitz Deidara in the sky all in the time it took for him to check if he was in a genjutsu, and perform a replacement tech. And you expect Minato to do the same while they're fighting cqc?

And I doubt you'll read this, as no one reads edits, but Deidara only even notices in the first place due to his knowledge on Itachi's fighting style, which he comments on twice throughout the battle.

I just can't see Minato defeating Itachi's genjutsu.

 

[Lord Naruto San]

lol wtf is this crap?

w/o a partner or tailed beast

you will be one shotted by a genjutsu user like itachi

....How did Hashi not get 1 shot>

 

[ajpn920]

"Gee, my friends just exploded into crows and Itachi is flying now... I wonder." Itachi can make it look as if he's standing still when in reality he's plunging a kunai into your spine.

Better debaters than you have tried to end the genjutsu argument. You're not changing anyone's mind here.

Even Sasuke used a genjutsu from a good 100 meters away, without eye contact, and managed to blitz Deidara in the sky all in the time it took for him to check if he was in a genjutsu, and perform a replacement tech. And you expect Minato to do the same while they're fighting cqc?

And what are all those debaters say? And what did you reply? Are you being convinced?lol Are you even considering a fights distance? You are not logical enough. While I'm backing it with scan, you are bubbling nonsense. Btw, did you consider how fast Minato can speed blitz? I'm pretty sure that if we'll decide it through logical reasoning then all of you will say PLOT in the end. Seen that already 2 years ago. Perhaps you forget me..lol

 

[TheTailedSage]

Lel that title made me laugh :yeah:

 

[ajpn920]

Lel that title made me laugh :yeah:

laughter is the best medicine..

 

[The Necromancer]

And what are all those debaters say? And what did you reply? Are you being convinced?lol Are you even considering a fights distance? You are not logical enough. While I'm backing it with scan, you are bubbling nonsense. Btw, did you consider how fast Minato can speed blitz?

I clearly mention CQC, which to the layman means Close Quarters Combat, which doesn't even matter as...

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

Here are 2 examples of how long range eye-contact can be. And with minato's reactions getting nerfed more and more every chapter.... things aren't looking good for Minato fans.

Your argument is the same as Fling-Gliscor competitively. Amazing on paper, shitty in practice.

 

[TheTailedSage]

laughter is the best medicine..

Yes sir i agree

 

[ReverseZero12]

I was thinking about this as well because if no one can break tsukuyomi then why is he afraid of Jiraiya..That guy is definitely a liar.

Yeah I know yet there is nothing in the manga that states he was lying. The only thing he was lying about was regarding what happened with the uchiha massacre. People just love to underrate Jiraiya -____-.

That's why I don't like to debate this kind of stuff, especially on this site.

 

[ajpn920]

I clearly mention CQC, which to the layman means Close Quarters Combat, which doesn't even matter as...

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

Here are 2 examples of how long range eye-contact can be. And with minato's reactions getting nerfed more and more every chapter.... things aren't looking good for Minato fans.

Your argument is the same as Fling-Gliscor competitively. Amazing on paper, shitty in practice.

Are you sticking with the current flow in the manga? Show me where Itachi uses genjutsu at range 100m? You can't? If and only if Itachi can do that, it will be another topic. As of this moment, he did not show us something you want him to..You're response shows how slow you really are. By making Itachi do what he did not for the purpose of satisfying yourself, then you are just like those bunch of ******

 

[The Necromancer]

Are you sticking with the current flow in the manga? Show me where Itachi uses genjutsu at range 100m? You can't? If and only if Itcahi can do that, it will be another topic. As of this moment, he did not show us something you want him to.

Fair enough. Show me a scan of Minato sensing his own chakra flow in order to discern he is in, and break out of a genjutsu. Two way street, man.

 

[ajpn920]

Fair enough. Show me a scan of Minato sensing his own chakra flow in order to discern he is in, and break out of a genjutsu. Two way street, man.

Are you saying that not all sensors can sense their own chakra flow? If he can adapt from the other chakra types for the chakra transfer then it's pretty obvious that he can sense his own. He will not be doing that if he can't. What made them a sensor in the 1st place? If he can sense others, then it's logical enough that he can sense his own.

 

[Waltz]

You seem to be delusional. Your entire argument fails in a number of instances:

-> 1) You assume that possessing subjective counters to Itachi's Genjutsu means Minato cannot be caught.

-> 2) You undermine Itachi's intelligence factor and his knowledge on Yondaime's signature technique.

-> 3) You argue under the assumption that Minato knows anything regarding Itachi's Genjutsu
prowess, when it is actually the opposite.

-> 4) You completely disregard Itachi's combat style with Genjutsu; in that, it is used at the very beginning of his battles.

-> 5) You assume Shiunshin no Jutsu can bypass Itachi's Sharingan.

-> 6) You forgot to mention that Minato has only showcased a sloppy fighting style against the Uchiha in that he constantly maintain's eye contact: solidifies #4.


It only concludes that something as simple as a Dusk Crow Genjutsu established at the beginning of the fight + Kunai strike to the neck is enough to finish Minato.

You must be registered for see images

​

 

[Owarij]

It only concludes that something as simple as a Dusk Crow Genjutsu established at the beginning of the fight + Kunai strike to the neck is enough to finish Minato.

Game. Set. Match

 

[ajpn920]

You seem to be delusional. Your entire argument fails in a number of instances:

-> 1) You assume that possessing subjective counters to Itachi's Genjutsu means Minato cannot be caught.
-> 2) You undermine Itachi's intelligence factor and his knowledge on Yondaime's signature technique.
-> 3) You argue under the assumption that Minato knows anything regarding Itachi's Genjutsu prowess, when it is actually the opposite.
-> 4) You completely disregard Itachi's combat style with Genjutsu; in that, it is used at the very beginning of his battles.
-> 5) You assume Shiunshin no Jutsu can bypass Itachi's Sharingan.
-> 6) You forgot to mention that Minato has only showcased a sloppy fighting style against the Uchiha in that he constantly maintain's eye contact: solidifies #4.


It only concludes that something as simple as a Dusk Crow Genjutsu established at the beginning of the fight + Kunai strike to the neck is enough to finish Minato.

You must be registered for see images

​

LOL. What is this this?

1) You assume that possessing subjective counters to Itachi's Genjutsu means Minato cannot be caught.

Am I saying that Minato can't be caught? Looks like you are not reading properly. The mere fact that I said that most of Itachi's genjuts affects movements then I'm implying that Minato can counter it via FTG since it does not rely on body movement. Shadow clone is another option.

2) You undermine Itachi's intelligence factor and his knowledge on Yondaime's signature technique.

You're also doing it on Minato don't you think? Even knowing that Minato is a hokage level and was able to deduce that only Madara can enter the barrier with ease. If he knows what Madara can do then it's logical enough to say he knows what an Uchiha can do.

3) You argue under the assumption that Minato knows anything regarding Itachi's Genjutsu prowess, when it is actually the opposite.

Am I really making assumption that Minato knows anything regarding Itachi's Genjutsu prowess? Again, read the thread well. I'm stating the obvious of what Itachi's genjutsu can do. It can be countered by clone. The others can only affect movement. Only tsukuyomi perhaps can do some brain damage but the question remains if he can do it at a long range. I know that you know that FTG does not require movement to activate, am I right?

4) You completely disregard Itachi's combat style with Genjutsu; in that, it is used at the very beginning of his battles

Whatever combat style he has, it will not change the fact of what his genjutsu can do. Are you dismissing the FACTS of what his genjutsu can do. I have posted scans there. Is it not enough?

5) You assume Shiunshin no Jutsu can bypass Itachi's Sharingan

Talking what a sharingan can do in general and what Ay showed us is logical enough to say that a sharingan can't follow super fast movement. Are you disregarding FACTS again or are you assuming that Itachi is different?

6) You forgot to mention that Minato has only showcased a sloppy fighting style against the Uchiha in that he constantly maintain's eye contact: solidifies #

Are you disregarding logic? Why would someone who knows what an Uchiha can do look into his eyes without a reason? It's the same as Minato trying to stab Ay with his shroud active. There must be a reason. By the way, that sloppy style ends the 3rd ninja war. Itachi can't even end Obito yet he tried to protect Sasuke by implanting AMA. If he's concerned with Sasuke's safety, he should kill Obito assuming he can..

You must be registered for see images

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

If you have the means to not get caught in it in the first place be it speed or Space Time then your good,but actually breaking out of a genjustu by itachi is nil

 

[Penguin]

This is nice and all but i believe you went about it the wrong way now that people can't deny anymore Minato is a sensor

You must be registered for see images

Sensors are capable to sense chakra build inside the body(like you can see above with Minato as well)

You must be registered for see images

It helps to prevent even occular attacks

Also, even in case you're caught inside a genjutsu(outside tsukuyomi of course) a sensor can identify it directly by noticing the disturbance in the flow. It works for every genjutsu since even Shisui's KA was detected by Ao

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

Minato has never been shown to sense on the kind of level of SM Madara, Tobirama, Karin, or Rikudobito. Don't give him false sensing feats. You are better than this.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Ah, minato fanboyism.

Yes, i will accept that he can still use FTG in the genjutsu. But what will that accomplish? He will be in the genjutsu, but further away.

Anyway, Most of the time, Itachi fills his genjutsu with crows, which seems to be the only way people can tell if it's genjutsu if he makes the colours normal.

Also, he speedblitzed Deidara with Tsukiyomi without needing several panels to dramaticaly open his eyes.

 

[ajpn920]

If you have the means to not get caught in it in the first place be it speed or Space Time then your good,but actually breaking out of a genjustu by itachi is nil

What kind of genjutsu are you referring to? If you are talking about the 1st 5 then all those scans can support that his genjutsu can be countered. Are you talking about tsukuyomi? Again, please consider the distance first.

Ah, minato fanboyism.

Yes, i will accept that he can still use FTG in the genjutsu. But what will that accomplish? He will be in the genjutsu, but further away.

Anyway, Most of the time, Itachi fills his genjutsu with crows, which seems to be the only way people can tell if it's genjutsu if he makes the colours normal.

Also, he speedblitzed Deidara with Tsukiyomi without needing several panels to dramaticaly open his eyes.

Since when is genjutsu effective after being countered? A better example is this. Shikamaru broke tayuya's genjutsu which has the same effect as Itachi's 1st 5 genjutsu. Tayuya's genjutsu affects movement like Itachi's.

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

 

[Waltz]

The mere fact that I said that most of Itachi's genjuts affects movements then I'm implying that Minato can counter it via FTG since it does not rely on body movement.

Nope. A voluntary reflex cannot save Minato from something such as Tsukuyomi or Dusk crow if eye contact is established, it it's a counter to his Genjutsu. ​

If he knows what Madara can do then it's logical enough to say he knows what an Uchiha can do.

Cool story...and Hasty Generalization.​

Am I really making assumption that Minato knows anything regarding Itachi's Genjutsu prowess? Again, read the thread well. I'm stating the obvious of what Itachi's genjutsu can do.

Minato as a character knows nothing about the bold so yes, you postulating counters on his behalf would only be valid if he had some conceptulaization of Itachi's caliber of Genjutsu.​

Talking what a sharingan can do in general and what Ay showed us is logical enough to say that a sharingan can't follow super fast movement.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

[/img]

Why would someone who knows what an Uchiha can do look into his eyes without a reason?

Obviously because they have either had no experience fighting the Uchiha or their fighting style depends on having visual with the opponent or that anticipating techniques [amaterasu] would require them to make eye contact either entirely or momentarily. Sides Ay and Bee, the individuals Minato faced in the 3rd Shinobi war could be considered fodder and should not even be used for an argument. ​

You must be registered for see images