Shisui, Danzo, and Itachi need to be banned from Versus Colosseum and Top 10 Lists

[Prime Rib]

Re: Lol at the proposition to ban ET and KA from battle discussions

people tend to think weird ways

 

[FinalBoss]

Re: Lol at the proposition to ban ET and KA from battle discussions

Im not really disagreeing about edo-tensei, i just think thats what people think about it

 

[FreakensteinAG]

Re: Lol at the proposition to ban ET and KA from battle discussions

Why do people leave the argument after I give pretty good points? This has happened for the past few days. Do I smell? I swear I showered this morning.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Re: Lol at the proposition to ban ET and KA from battle discussions

Using their own chakra/forming chakra to perform techniques with such, while the full, 100% chakra usage is the output of the technique, not .1% of the chakra output while 99.9% is automatically dolled out from a proxy shinobi.

again unfair doesnt equal not your own power. it takes only a bit of chakra to summon a dead guy. ok. too fu cking bad for the opponent

Your interpretation is terrible. No, we are not bashing it because it is a unique technique. Because other techniques utilize the full chakra usage required to use it (while Edo Tensei is using .1% of the chakra, 99.9% summoned chakra to have a serious bias in favor of the user).

yes you are. you dont like the fact its cheap and requires little chakra. it has no risks to the user, and thats why its so powerful. and you dont like the fact that its that easy to be number 1 in narutoverse via only one jutsu.

Having an infinitessimal portion of your chakra used to summon a shinobi that deals mountains upon mountains of damage is a serious 10^10% mark up, a severe bias.

thats too bad because ET is a jutsu and its being used. who gives two fu cks if its cheap or OP? its designed to be that way so kabuto can be a god level threat that requires 6 nations to bring down.
its absolutely too damn bad if you think ET is unfair and has too little cost. this has a name in stories. its the story breaker. something too strong even for its own universe's rules. kyouka suigetsu is another one.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Re: Lol at the proposition to ban ET and KA from battle discussions

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This is a common problem for sequels of works that end with the protagonist unlocking their full power. Once they get too much power they win the Superpower Lottery and become godlike, or worse, Suelike. On the other hand, a simple or limited power can lead to viewers asking "Why don't they just use his power of X to do Y and stop the bad guy/get the MacGuffin?". In order to challenge the protagonist the writers will have to ramp up the villain's power, find a way to otherwise remove or sideline them, Depower them or at least reduce it to more reasonable levels, take away their weapons, or give them a Drama-Preserving Handicap of some sort. Otherwise, the character will be Too Powerful to Live. The easiest way to tell if this trope is in effect is when the writer resorts to handing the protagonist the Idiot Ball and Forgot About His Powers to keep the character from using their powers in a straightforward way.

On a bit of a tangent, there's a reason why this trope applies mostly to protagonists; we expect the Big Bad to have a nigh unbeatable edge and get beaten nonetheless, giving us a typical underdog story. Though this isn't to say it's good for a villain to have a Story Breaker Power, because they run the risk of becoming a Villain Sue. This is why most stories with such villains actually focus on stopping them from getting these powers.

most stories would have focused on stopping kabuto getting the means to use this hax power. but here he got it and defied established rules. or tobirama did when he created it.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

Re: Lol at the proposition to ban ET and KA from battle discussions

again unfair doesnt equal not your own power. it takes only a bit of chakra to summon a dead guy. ok. too fu cking bad for the opponent

yes you are. you dont like the fact its cheap and requires little chakra. it has no risks to the user, and thats why its so powerful. and you dont like the fact that its that easy to be number 1 in narutoverse via only one jutsu.

And you don't see the problem in this? We have a top 15 out of their own talents, but here we have one shinobi who would push into the top 13 by himself, but then rushes to number 1 from OTHERS.

It's like the presidential nominations. We have four good runners and they all have their good points. But one of them has been point stamping. Too bad for the other three! That guy just knows how to play the game. Who cares about the other three who got where they are now by themselves: this guy got here by running the numbers from multiple people.

Sure, he won the presidential nomination. But we're still sick in the stomach for how he did it. He's a Mary Sue.

most stories would have focused on stopping kabuto getting the means to use this hax power. but here he got it and defied established rules. or tobirama did when he created it.

Let's keep in mind that we're not talking about the plot of defeating the user with his powers: We're talking about versus battles and top shinobi lists. They're both broken concepts with this power involved, with the above reasons already established.

 

[Mizukage88]

Re: Lol at the proposition to ban ET and KA from battle discussions

i think he is mad from the other thread that hashi>kabuto

 

[KidGamer65]

Hashirama
Madara
Obito
Nagato
Kabuto
Minato
Itachi
Naruto
Sasuke

FIXED

Itachi and Minato and Kabuto above Naruto? Only in your dreams.

Itachi and Minato above Sasuke? Again, only in your dreams.

Get that shit out of here.

 

[AGoodBoy]

KA can't make someone kill themself and KA can't give you an auto-win. The person needs to act on your ridiculous idea you planted in their head. At best, you could maybe make them think you're dead so you can sneak attack.

 

[End of Days]

KA is not an auto win, people have falsely hyped it to be something it isnt

 

[iSpeak]

I'm confused...he can't use it in battle? I thought when Shisui bestowed upon Itachi his eye. Itachi could use it through his crow? Just asking.

Nope, it has a 10 year rest time meaning it was last used 2 years before the Uchiha massacre and couldnt be used again until after it was given to Naruto.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Re: Lol at the proposition to ban ET and KA from battle discussions

And you don't see the problem in this? We have a top 15 out of their own talents, but here we have one shinobi who would push into the top 13 by himself, but then rushes to number 1 from OTHERS.

they arent others. they are mindless zombie puppets. no different to sasori's third kazekage. but not a single member claims sasori is cheating. this is a ninja world. people do whatever they have to to gain power

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

KA can't make someone kill themself and KA can't give you an auto-win. The person needs to act on your ridiculous idea you planted in their head. At best, you could maybe make them think you're dead so you can sneak attack.

thats exactly what it can do. the person trapped in KA MUST follow the order it gives no matter what. thats why itachi thought it would keep sasuke protecting knohoa against his will and why shisui thought itd make fugaku give up on the coup. if you can turn around someones entire way of thinking then you should be able to turn around their will to live. KA gets in the opponents head and controls them by creating false experiences, so real that they dont notice its someone controlling them