Shisui, Danzo, and Itachi need to be banned from Versus Colosseum and Top 10 Lists

[Draphsin]

KA is slow, its fine

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

isnt the purpose of these tiers and discussions to find out whos strongest? why ban a particular move simply because its too powerful for people to handle?
following this logic lets ban tsukiyomi, kurama summoning, cerberus, space time barrier and PS. because they are too hax right?
its not your place to decide who "deserves" the spot. this isnt a popularity contest! this is a discusison of who fu cking wins in a goddamn fight! if they win because they are unbelievably hax then so be it! so goddamn be it. no one complains about kamui and tsukiyomi and ET as much as this, which are also "auto win buttons" of sorts.

Tsukuyomi (Only sasuke can break)
Amaterasu (If your super fast or Tobi)
KA (Insta dead)
Totsuka (One shot sealed GG)
Finger Genjutsu (Owned unless someone else breaks you out)
Sharingan Genjutsu (Owned unless someone else breaks you out)
Inzanami

Solo King > all

and with all that he didnt solo akatsuki or do anything to even scratch obito and nagato, sacrifcing thousands of lives in the process

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Lol at the proposition to ban ET and KA from battle discussions

isnt the purpose of these tiers and discussions to find out whos strongest? why ban a particular move simply because its too powerful for people to handle?
following this logic lets ban tsukiyomi, kurama summoning, cerberus, space time barrier and PS. because they are too hax right?
this isnt a popularity contest! this is a discusison of who goddamn wins in a goddamn fight! if they win because they are unbelievably hax then so be it! so goddamn be it.

 

[Ōkami]

Re: Lol at the proposition to ban ET and KA from battle discussions

Is this about RP battles or VS threads?

 

[FreakensteinAG]

Re: Lol at the proposition to ban ET and KA from battle discussions

why ban a particular move simply because its too powerful for people to handle?

No, this is not why we frown upon Edo Tensei.

The full powers of Edo-Tensei are .1% the user and 99.9% the summoned. The user commands the summoned to fight, but it is the summoned that contains and utilizes the full use of its powers, ergo the powers do not belong to any Edo Tensei user. This is NOT in a similar vein to other techniques, where the user utilizes every ounce of the skill and not an insignificant amount.

I myself have no problem with KA, because the user utilizes every ounce of that technique and does not use a proxy shinobi or secondary apparatus to use it.

 

[Erin]

Re: Lol at the proposition to ban ET and KA from battle discussions

People didn't ban ET they just gave it it's separate list.

Ex:

Spoiler

All Canidates are in their prime.


Without Edo Tensei

0. Sage of the 6 paths
1. Hashirama Senju
2. Madara Uchiha [EMS]
3. Obito Uchiha [Gedo/Rinnegan]
4. Nagato / Naruto [BM]
5. Naruto [BM] / Nagato
6. Sasuke Uchiha [EMS]
7. Itachi Uchiha [MS]
8. Kabuto [SSM]
9. Minato Namikaze
10. Killer Bee / Third Raikage

With Edo Tensei

0. Sage of the 6 paths
1. Kabuto [ET Summoning]
2. Orochimaru [ET Summoning]. *Note* This is contreversal because of the Hashirama Issue.
3. Hashirama Senju [ET]
4. Madara Uchiha [ET]
5. Obito [ET Rinne Paths/Gedo]
6. Nagato
7. Minato Namikaze [ET]
8. Naruto [BM]
9. Sasuke Uchiha [EMS] / Itachi Uchiha [ET]
10. Itachi Uchiha [ET] / Sasuke Uchiha [EMS]

 

[blackstar9]

Re: Lol at the proposition to ban ET and KA from battle discussions

dont get your panties in a bunch . lil hype over a manga arent you ?

 

[Haru70]

Re: Lol at the proposition to ban ET and KA from battle discussions

No, this is not why we frown upon Edo Tensei.

The full powers of Edo-Tensei are .1% the user and 99.9% the summoned. The user commands the summoned to fight, but it is the summoned that contains and utilizes the full use of its powers, ergo the powers do not belong to any Edo Tensei user. This is NOT in a similar vein to other techniques, where the user utilizes every ounce of the skill and not an insignificant amount.

I myself have no problem with KA, because the user utilizes every ounce of that technique and does not use a proxy shinobi or secondary apparatus to use it.

Exactly. Edo Tensei is f*cking overrated, and its not even technically the summoners power.

 

[CurseSealofEarth]

Re: Lol at the proposition to ban ET and KA from battle discussions

No, this is not why we frown upon Edo Tensei.

The full powers of Edo-Tensei are .1% the user and 99.9% the summoned. The user commands the summoned to fight, but it is the summoned that contains and utilizes the full use of its powers, ergo the powers do not belong to any Edo Tensei user. This is NOT in a similar vein to other techniques, where the user utilizes every ounce of the skill and not an insignificant amount.

I myself have no problem with KA, because the user utilizes every ounce of that technique and does not use a proxy shinobi or secondary apparatus to use it.

People didn't ban ET they just gave it it's separate list.

Ex:

Spoiler

All Canidates are in their prime.


Without Edo Tensei

0. Sage of the 6 paths
1. Hashirama Senju
2. Madara Uchiha [EMS]
3. Obito Uchiha [Gedo/Rinnegan]
4. Nagato / Naruto [BM]
5. Naruto [BM] / Nagato
6. Sasuke Uchiha [EMS]
7. Itachi Uchiha [MS]
8. Kabuto [SSM]
9. Minato Namikaze
10. Killer Bee / Third Raikage

With Edo Tensei

0. Sage of the 6 paths
1. Kabuto [ET Summoning]
2. Orochimaru [ET Summoning]. *Note* This is contreversal because of the Hashirama Issue.
3. Hashirama Senju [ET]
4. Madara Uchiha [ET]
5. Obito [ET Rinne Paths/Gedo]
6. Nagato
7. Minato Namikaze [ET]
8. Naruto [BM]
9. Sasuke Uchiha [EMS] / Itachi Uchiha [ET]
10. Itachi Uchiha [ET] / Sasuke Uchiha [EMS]

Did you guys seriously just copy and paste from the last thread?

 

[Made in Heaven]

Re: Lol at the proposition to ban ET and KA from battle discussions

Edo tensei is a summoning, so I don't see why it should not be allowed

 

[FreakensteinAG]

Re: Lol at the proposition to ban ET and KA from battle discussions

Did you guys seriously just copy and paste from the last thread?

I copied my own paragraph, yes. Since the OP was not present in the user list (not watching it), I assumed it would not be addressed and instead here.

 

[Erin]

Re: Lol at the proposition to ban ET and KA from battle discussions

Did you guys seriously just copy and paste from the last thread?

its like 12:23 am

 

[hixa kuogame]

Re: Lol at the proposition to ban ET and KA from battle discussions

its wouldnt be a real fight with the edo user and an opponent
example:
naruto vs kabuto
if kabuto were to resurrect hanzo and have hanzo fight for him then it wouldnt be naruto vs kabuto it would be naruto vs hanzo

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Re: Lol at the proposition to ban ET and KA from battle discussions

The full powers of Edo-Tensei are .1% the user and 99.9% the summoned. The user commands the summoned to fight, but it is the summoned that contains and utilizes the full use of its powers, ergo the powers do not belong to any Edo Tensei user.

in the chunin exams even sentient animals and bugs who were CHOOSING to fight alongside a shinobi were considered only weapons. no different to kunais. ETs have no choice in the matter at all. they have to fight. like a puppet. and no one has frowned onasori for using human living puppets

This is NOT in a similar vein to other techniques

so because its unique it sucks?

does not use a proxy shinobi or secondary apparatus to use it.

most jutsus do. danzo needs to obtain his eye first. that requires outside help, pre-fight like any other stolen power. but when the fight starts, that power is already danzo's. naruto needed secondary help to summon toads but when the fight starts you assume hes already signed the contract

2. Orochimaru [ET Summoning]. *Note* This is contreversal because of the Hashirama Issue.

not really. oro explicitly said he could erase their minds and is choosing not to

 

[FinalBoss]

Re: Lol at the proposition to ban ET and KA from battle discussions

KA i understand because its situational since the cooldown is very long and is rather situational.
ET can be annoying in threads because you simply summon an army of strong people.

The summoner isnt using the powers that they have on his own. I dont know how to explain it correctly but ill try my best.

For example:
Kabuto has Dragon-Sage, Healing Techs, etc.
Edo Nagato has his Rinnegan Techs.

Kabuto doesnt know those skills, he is just using another body. So its not his power

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Re: Lol at the proposition to ban ET and KA from battle discussions

naruto vs kabuto
if kabuto were to resurrect hanzo and have hanzo fight for him then it wouldnt be naruto vs kabuto it would be naruto vs hanzo

following this logic any summon, no matter what it is, should be banned. since if naruto summons gamabunta itd become gamabunta vs hanzo wouldnt it. and akamaryu is nearly always considered part of kibas power

 

[HashiramaDescendant]

Re: Lol at the proposition to ban ET and KA from battle discussions

ET should, but KA shouldn't. If we banned moves because they were too powerful, we should just ban Hashirama all together.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Re: Lol at the proposition to ban ET and KA from battle discussions

People didn't ban ET they just gave it it's separate list.

Ex:

Spoiler

All Canidates are in their prime.


Without Edo Tensei

0. Sage of the 6 paths
1. Hashirama Senju
2. Madara Uchiha [EMS]
3. Obito Uchiha [Gedo/Rinnegan]
4. Nagato / Naruto [BM]
5. Naruto [BM] / Nagato
6. Sasuke Uchiha [EMS]
7. Itachi Uchiha [MS]
8. Kabuto [SSM]
9. Minato Namikaze
10. Killer Bee / Third Raikage

With Edo Tensei

0. Sage of the 6 paths
1. Kabuto [ET Summoning]
2. Orochimaru [ET Summoning]. *Note* This is contreversal because of the Hashirama Issue.
3. Hashirama Senju [ET]
4. Madara Uchiha [ET]
5. Obito [ET Rinne Paths/Gedo]
6. Nagato
7. Minato Namikaze [ET]
8. Naruto [BM]
9. Sasuke Uchiha [EMS] / Itachi Uchiha [ET]
10. Itachi Uchiha [ET] / Sasuke Uchiha [EMS]

how can Itachi be under kabuto, when he solo'd kabuto and free'd himself from edo?

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Re: Lol at the proposition to ban ET and KA from battle discussions

Kabuto doesnt know those skills, he is just using another body. So its not his power

he knows the skill that calls those powers forth. i have never seen anyone in-universe call it not his own power. itachi gave his opinion that it wasnt but obito kabuto and oro all disagree. hiruzen fought orochimaru, not orochimaru + shodai + nidaime.
i dont know why its ok to use sentient animals (fukasaku, gamabunta, manda, akamaru, shino's bugs) as your power and not mindless zombie puppets.
from itachis logic, it should follow that anyone who uses summons, no matter what they are, are confusing that for their own power and cant be out of izanami till they believe that

how can Itachi be under kabuto, when he solo'd kabuto

so what, was sasuke just watching and drinking tea? plus if it was truly 1 vs 1,kabuto can win simply by cancelling edo tensei. that didnt happen because he was also facing off against sasuke, and the entire shinobi army outside who would find him if he let his edos be called back.

free'd himself from edo?

naruto freed him alongside shisui. it was entirely outside help which was a 1 in 40 000 chance of happening.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

Re: Lol at the proposition to ban ET and KA from battle discussions

in the chunin exams even sentient animals and bugs who were CHOOSING to fight alongside a shinobi were considered only weapons

Using their own chakra/forming chakra to perform techniques with such, while the full, 100% chakra usage is the output of the technique, not .1% of the chakra output while 99.9% is automatically dolled out from a proxy shinobi.

so because its unique it sucks?

Your interpretation is terrible. No, we are not bashing it because it is a unique technique. Because other techniques utilize the full chakra usage required to use it (while Edo Tensei is using .1% of the chakra, 99.9% summoned chakra to have a serious bias in favor of the user).

most jutsus do. danzo needs to obtain his eye first. that requires outside help, pre-fight like any other stolen power. but when the fight starts, that power is already danzo's. naruto needed secondary help to summon toads but when the fight starts you assume hes already signed the contract

The eyes that Danzo uses use all the chakra needed for that technique, while, as stated, Edo Tensei uses an insignificant portion. Having an infinitessimal portion of your chakra used to summon a shinobi that deals mountains upon mountains of damage is a serious 10^10% mark up, a severe bias.