Shisui and Itachi

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Both shisui and Itachi seem to have gained their MS around the same time.

How is it that they did it without killing eachother?
The manga hints they were best friends, and Itachi lied by saying that he killed his Best friend(Shisui) but shisui killed himself after he gave itachi his MS.

If itachi did kill shisui(after he got MS-Shisui) then how did shisui get HIS ms?

Also, if shisui was itachi's mentor does that mean shisui is stronger than Itachi?
 

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Itachi helped Shisui kill himself, so technically he killed him. Shisui probably got it by killing someone else in the clan.
 

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mentor as in they both have the same principles like will of fire but they were probably around the same level when it came to battle prowess; shisui probably after he lost his older brother-obito (speculation) and itachi from seeing his friend die after he was given his last ms eye and itachi probably erased shisui's existence by using amaterasu xd
 

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mentor as in they both have the same principles like will of fire but they were probably around the same level when it came to battle prowess; shisui probably after he lost his older brother-obito (speculation) and itachi from seeing his friend die after he was given his last ms eye and itachi probably erased shisui's existence by using amaterasu xd
Doesn;t the manga say he was washed up in a river????:confused:
 

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Same way kakashi gained it natural progression and using your eyes the only difference is kakashi has only one so he would only lose one light.
 

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Most likely MS comes from suffering a great loss. Kakashi got his without killing any1 since every1 important to him was gone or dead and Guy was still alive. Sasuke got his after he realized he killed Itachi when Itachi was really protecting him. Shisui most likely suffered a loss and gained his. Itachi gained his from Shisui's death.
 

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Most likely MS comes from suffering a great loss. Kakashi got his without killing any1 since every1 important to him was gone or dead and Guy was still alive. Sasuke got his after he realized he killed Itachi when Itachi was really protecting him. Shisui most likely suffered a loss and gained his. Itachi gained his from Shisui's death.
Almost agreeable..
Kakashi awakened his MS as he was suffered fatal injury(mental) as he was stuck with Itachi for 3 days in that dimension(Just saying).. Itachi used to train so hard. He might as well have done it beyond his capability and awakened MS.
 

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Itachi helped Shisui kill himself, so technically he killed him. Shisui probably got it by killing someone else in the clan.
I basically agree with this, it was said that you must suffer a great loss and or kill someone very close to you. To my knowledge it was never stated how Kakashi upgraded his to MS, nor how Shisui got his, so it can only be speculated. It's very plausible that Itachi received his from killing shisui but no idea how Shisui got his, maybe by killing someone else, I wanted to know the reason for his "suicide" maybe that had something to do with it?
 
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