Shinra Tensei>=Buddha!!! (I think so)

[Prince Charles]

Highly doubt ST would repel the buddha.

Now I'm are of the fact that Nagato is more powerful than the pains but this needs to be taken into consideration.

The fact that V2 kyuubi naruto was capable of withstanding Pains shinrei tensei upfront just by plunging it's tail into the ground.. I mean It's pretty self explanatory.

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Pain himself even acknowledges this feat from V2 naruto.[

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Now I'm aware of the fact that the ST pain used was not a full power ST i presume and it isnt as powerful as Nagatos but fact still remains that V2 naruto fails in comparison in term of size and weight to the buddha.

So I highly doubt a ST would repel/harm Buddha.

And honestly I don't see how gamabunta is the same size as kurama. The scan you showed of gamabunta falling on kurama would obviously make it seem as though gamabunta is bigger. But Gamabunta fell on the upper head part of kurama not his full body.

Gamabunta and shukaku are roughly the same size.[

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later on we witness Gamabunta transform into kurama[

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heres a closer view gamabunta transformed into kurama

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Kurama is basically the same size but what type of kurama is this? Im not too sure but its too my belief that naruto transformed gamabunta into a 50% power kurama. Why I say this is because kurama's head is not nearly as big up close as it was when gamabunta fell on him during the nine tails attack on the leaf.

I'm probably wrong but I found this quite interesting. Im not saying im right but wanted to share my thoughts.

 

[blazekev90]

You can clearly see the Kunai being repelled, not far, but they are still being repelled. If it was like they crashed into a wall then they would have fallen and not bounced back.

Again, no it won't. It being an opposing force isn't going to make it magically tear apart due to ST.

-Say the force of Nagato's ST is 50 and the force of the Buddha's barrage is 100. If they collide, 100 will break past 50 with still 50 force left over.
-If they were both 50 then they'd cancel each other out cause the forces were equal.
-If Nagato's ST was 100 and Buddha's barrage was 50, the Barrage wouldn't get through and ST would push its fists back with 50 force left over.

The only way for it to break is if it hits a durable enough wall, with enough force as the wall (If Durable enough) will rebound the force back at the Buddha and the Buddha's arms will be damaged or fall apart, if there was enough force behind its punch. Same concept as someone punching a wall with their hand.

ST is not a wall or a sturdy object that would rebound the Buddha's force back at it, it would cancel it out with its own force.




Even if he was an opposing force, the above would apply. If he was exerting more force than ST he'd break through. If he was exerting less force he'd get tossed back but not as far as if he was exerting no force, which is what happened in the manga.

Nagato being closer to him isn't going to change the fact that ST doesn't cause damage on its own. If B was exerting the same amount of force as ST he'd cancel it out, not be injured.


Go learn how forces work before replying, cause you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

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The Konoha crater is extremely wide, and its deep but not as deep as this. The VoTE crater is deep, but not as wide as the Konoha crater.

-_- he was targetting the kunia! He didn't put forth the chakra that he did against the village, this is OBVIOUS as the walla would've fallen easily. I've repeated that the power scale of ST requires more chakra, yet you fail to understand this! You keep bringing up situations or events where Nagato clearly hadn't used ST to depths as he did against the village.

ST is a focus, it's pressure concentrated at one particular target. -force equals mass times acceleration" Therefore, this is like a wall, especially if the opposing forces are equal or about even. These aren't two colliding attacks were they cancel each other out, as when Naruto and Sasuke fought.

as far as the VotE lol

see where Hashi is standing right....Now, look where the toads are!!

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Now, look at the size difference between a large summoning and a person

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Konoha crater is far greater in range and depth!!!

 

[KidGamer65]

-_- he was targetting the kunia! He didn't put forth the chakra that he did against the village, this is OBVIOUS as the walla would've fallen easily. I've repeated that the power scale of ST requires more chakra, yet you fail to understand this! You keep bringing up situations or events where Nagato clearly hadn't used ST to depths as he did against the village.

ST is a focus, it's pressure concentrated at one particular target. -force equals mass times acceleration" Therefore, this is like a wall, especially if the opposing forces are equal or about even. These aren't two colliding attacks were they cancel each other out, as when Naruto and Sasuke fought.

as far as the VotE lol

see where Hashi is standing right....Now, look where the toads are!!

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Now, look at the size difference between a large summoning and a person

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Konoha crater is far greater in range and depth!!!

Not even going to bother wasting my time on a guy who doesn't understand how forces work as I have been saying the same thing over and over again yet you still don't get it. You're supposed to learn this stuff in high school. When two equal forces come in contact with each other they cancel out. When a large force comes in contact the smaller force is broken past it. Nagato could have used a ST the strength of CST on B and still not have injured him unless he used it how he did on the village (By exerting the force against the ground)

Go take a science class.

 

[blazekev90]

Highly doubt ST would repel the buddha.

Now I'm are of the fact that Nagato is more powerful than the pains but this needs to be taken into consideration.

The fact that V2 kyuubi naruto was capable of withstanding Pains shinrei tensei upfront just by plunging it's tail into the ground.. I mean It's pretty self explanatory.

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Pain himself even acknowledges this feat from V2 naruto.[

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Now I'm aware of the fact that the ST pain used was not a full power ST i presume and it isnt as powerful as Nagatos but fact still remains that V2 naruto fails in comparison in term of size and weight to the buddha.

So I highly doubt a ST would repel/harm Buddha.

And honestly I don't see how gamabunta is the same size as kurama. The scan you showed of gamabunta falling on kurama would obviously make it seem as though gamabunta is bigger. But Gamabunta fell on the upper head part of kurama not his full body.

Gamabunta and shukaku are roughly the same size.[

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later on we witness Gamabunta transform into kurama[

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heres a closer view gamabunta transformed into kurama

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Kurama is basically the same size but what type of kurama is this? Im not too sure but its too my belief that naruto transformed gamabunta into a 50% power kurama. Why I say this is because kurama's head is not nearly as big up close as it was when gamabunta fell on him during the nine tails attack on the leaf.

I'm probably wrong but I found this quite interesting. Im not saying im right but wanted to share my thoughts.

lol i guess I should have wrote here what i sent to you, but that is my response to this post overall lol

 

[blazekev90]

Not even going to bother wasting my time on a guy who doesn't understand how forces work as I have been saying the same thing over and over again yet you still don't get it. You're supposed to learn this stuff in high school. When two equal forces come in contact with each other they cancel out. When a large force comes in contact the smaller force is broken past it. Nagato could have used a ST the strength of CST on B and still not have injured him unless he used it how he did on the village (By exerting the force against the ground)

Go take a science class.

yes, i understand that. But you aren't understanding the meaning of repel! But if you want to throw shots because I've posted scans as proof and you're pure assumptions hold no value, go right ahead.

 

[Prince Charles]

lol i guess I should have wrote here what i sent to you, but that is my response to this post overall lol

Don't quite understand your response but ok. Zzz

EDIT: SORRY i just realized what you meant lol your rep comment. thanks bro

 

[blazekev90]

Don't quite understand your response but ok. Zzz

haha the box was too small and limited my word count.

Basically i said look over other post where the Kybuui's size can be compared. Also when Deva used that ST against Naruto, not only was the a weaker version, but Nagato's chakra was extremely low at that point. Konan stated that Nagato's charkra dropped tremendously and ST depends on the amount of chakra put into it.

 

[Blaze Release]

@Blazekev, its that thread i made did it become clear as day that there is inconsistency with size.

You dwelled too much on size and not on weight itself with this thread.
Do not believe shinra tensei is knocking top buddha down

 

[Prince Charles]

haha the box was too small and limited my word count.

Basically i said look over other post where the Kybuui's size can be compared. Also when Deva used that ST against Naruto, not only was the a weaker version, but Nagato's chakra was extremely low at that point. Konan stated that Nagato's charkra dropped tremendously and ST depends on the amount of chakra put into it.

He still had enough chakra to do chibaku tensei.. Just saying.

At the end of the day its still noticeable feat from V2 naruto to withstand ST. And like blaze said weight is also a factor in this also. So I can't see ST knocking down the buddha.

 

[blazekev90]

Konan commented on chakra after ST was used for a reason, so CT being used really doesn't matter

weight has little to do with anything and neither can it be proved in an arguemnt, that would lead to even more speculation. but that's fine I can't convince everyone. =D

 

[BloodSeed]

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[BlackFlame44]

yes, i understand that. But you aren't understanding the meaning of repel! But if you want to throw shots because I've posted scans as proof and you're pure assumptions hold no value, go right ahead.

*sigh* think of this way... when pain used almighty push on V2 naruto pain got repelled instead... why? its not the almighty push was negated but the force narutp had was greater than almighty push thats all there is to it... almighty can NOT repel everything

 

[blazekev90]

*sigh* think of this way... when pain used almighty push on V2 naruto pain got repelled instead... why? its not the almighty push was negated but the force narutp had was greater than almighty push thats all there is to it... almighty can NOT repel everything

Obviously -_-

ST against Naruto was a much weaker version. naruto's force was greater. This isn't nearly as strong as the one used on the village or its full potential. Nonetheless, Buddha force is either =< ST.

 

[BlackFlame44]

Obviously -_-

ST against Naruto was a much weaker version. naruto's force was greater. This isn't nearly as strong as the one used on the village or its full potential. Nonetheless, Buddha force is either =< ST.

Just accept it..., even c3 was a village buster and gaara blocked that with his sand honestly the hidden leaf village isn't that big it's just one town U_U

 

[AGoodBoy]

this does sound plausible. I've always said nagato is one of the strongest characters, only destructive force seems to put hashi and madara ahead of him... but he has the rinnegan. He should theoretically have 2x the capabilities of them, or atleast the same, because of the rinnegan.

If this doesn't prove Nagato > Hashirama, It's still proves Hashirama > Nagato >>> Naruto. Come at me Narutards

 

[blazekev90]

Just accept it..., even c3 was a village buster and gaara blocked that with his sand honestly the hidden leaf village isn't that big it's just one town U_U

Leaf is just a town? Not that big?
I'll ignore you from now on loll

 

[BigGuns Reloaded]

Lol negato & S-T can do what? U insane


His full strength St may destroy ahundred or more arms but,the majority will still be there

Negato will then be exhausted (not out of chakra just fatigued)

Even if he got some distance away then used C-T buddha would tank it aswell

the fact is fodders survived full scale S-T stop overrating negatos only really threat is his human path

 

[Dark Artist]

the Buddha is just big in size and that thing doesn't even has a Powerful attacks
man some people think they're good debater but in fact they didn't proof anything about what the buddha has in his power

ST > buddha ( Got smashed easily )

stop riding hashirama it's unhealthy for your ....

 

[blazekev90]

the Buddha is just big in size and that thing doesn't even has a Powerful attacks
man some people think they're good debater but in fact they didn't proof anything about what the buddha has in his power

ST > buddha ( Got smashed easily )

stop riding hashirama it's unhealthy for your ....

Who was a good debater? The only good debater on NB is long gone, nkw users can't even admit when they're wrong. Well KingHasgi did lol

 

[Dark Artist]

Who was a good debater? The only good debater on NB is long gone, nkw users can't even admit when they're wrong. Well KingHasgi did lol

lol totally agree bro