Shinra Tensei>=Buddha!!! (I think so)
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KingHashirama
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Katsuyu tanked that sh*t like it was a joke.....
Buddha tanked the impact that easily covered 20+ Mountains......
And you guys are b*tching and moaning about it not being able to tank shinra tensei that destroyed konoha...... wth is with this logic.
On top of that for the dumbasses saying "buddha's hands were fodderized"...... umm it kind of took on 15+ Bijuu Dama from the strongest tailed beast and on top of that swords that cut mountains like they are cheese. If those attacks couldn't do atleast that to the buddha then Madara would just be a idiot in that fight.
However i love how you fanboys keep forgetting to mention how it destroyed Perfect Susanoo in only 1 confrontation =]. And there wasn't even a scratch on the buddha itself. =].
And why do you fanboys show a scan where only some hands were destroyed , but claim ALL were.....
Buddha tanked the impact that easily covered 20+ Mountains......
And you guys are b*tching and moaning about it not being able to tank shinra tensei that destroyed konoha...... wth is with this logic.
On top of that for the dumbasses saying "buddha's hands were fodderized"...... umm it kind of took on 15+ Bijuu Dama from the strongest tailed beast and on top of that swords that cut mountains like they are cheese. If those attacks couldn't do atleast that to the buddha then Madara would just be a idiot in that fight.
However i love how you fanboys keep forgetting to mention how it destroyed Perfect Susanoo in only 1 confrontation =]. And there wasn't even a scratch on the buddha itself. =].
And why do you fanboys show a scan where only some hands were destroyed , but claim ALL were.....
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A repulsive force isn't going to do the same damage to an attack coming forward that is dealt when a car crashes into a wall. The wall is completely still allowing for any force that hits the wall to be rebounded back at the car that hit it leading to the car getting smashed. If someone is coming down at Nagato at high speeds from the sky and he uses ST to deflect their attack and send them back upwards. They will simply be sent upwards, they won't be dealt damage as if they crashed into an invisible wall.
First of all? What? Kabuto was trying to kill Killer B as he was about to blow his head off.
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Second of all, whether he put full force into the ST or wasn't trying to kill them doesn't change the proven fact that a repulsive force by itself isn't going to deal anyone harm.I suggest you go learn how Shinra Tensei and repulsive forces in general work. If Nagato and Killer B are in a plain with no nearby hindrances, and Nagato uses Shinra Tensei to send B flying backwards. He isn't going to be dealt any damage until he crashes into something, manga has already proven that so I don't get what you are trying to prove here.
Ok? This changes nothing that I said. CST is just a big AoE attack. The crater it made was wide but not as deep as the one the Buddha made, thus the Buddha had more force in its punch and would break through CST with Chojo Kebutsu.
I understand it perfectly, its you who doesn't understand. In favor of Hashirama? lol...
@bold: Making baseless claims now?
No, I was referring to the actual 50% Kurama as the scan you posted shows that he is bigger than his avatar.
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@kidgamer My post only proved how inconsistent Kishi.
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picture Naruto's comparison to the 9 tails is the same as the earlier one with the inner 9 tails. In the
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Naruto got a lot bigger if you look at the whiskers in bother pages.
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This sad argument against size is too funny!!!
Minato here on top of a tree is half the height of a FULL Kyuubi
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Now look at these trees
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This is a full kyuubi is size comparison to a small portion of the village and mounitans in the background.
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KingHashirama
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Still tanked it, did it not? She has a STRONG Flexible body. on top the only reason I recall the hands o the buddha being destroyed were cause of the Susanoo blades that could easily cut open 5-6 mountains by just a normal swing. Cause as far as the impact goes.. the buddha tanked the impact of 15+ TBBs .... easily higher then the shinra tensei used by Nagato.
Pretty much.
You're comparing apples and oranges. The only reason the buddah remained standing from the tbb's was simply because of it's sheer size, it pretty much lost all it's arms in the process to keep the main body somewhat intact.
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..... it lost COUPLE of hands.. not the arms..... and nor was the process to keep the main body intact.. don't know where your getting this dumb info from. MAnga clearly shows a confrontation... where the hands were only destroyed because the Susanoo swords that can slice 5 mountains easily were thrown like a shuriken..
And it even attacked after the impact.. lmaoo Doesn't solve the fact it tanked that shit. Now your making new excuses.... well done buddy.
Nice attempt at downplaying what happened.
MAnga clearly shows a confrontation... where the hands were only destroyed because the Susanoo swords that can slice 5 mountains easily were thrown like a shuriken..
And it even attacked after the impact.. lmaoo Doesn't solve the fact it tanked that shit. Now your making new excuses.... well done buddy.
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is a lot more than a couple of hands, i'm sure the explosion got the back of it as well as the shurikens wouldn't have reach around there.
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NO NO NO! Buddha coming full force into ST would be like hitting a wall. The mass/density of a Buddha isn't that or paper, which would be simply be blown away. You know this, stop acting man lol. The arms would end of looking like the front of that vehicle, with ST pushing forward the two forces will collide, but not with an explosion.
Kabuto also had an intent of capturing Naruto and Bee, so his actions could have been to critically injure Bee. I'll try thing again, ST can be like a gust of wind (when used lightly) this blowing Bee or destructive force with pressure so great it can change the entire ground of the village. Even wiki acknowledges that ST can broke bones easily if the amount of pressure is applied. Why is it so hard for you to understand this?!?! Bee was a sheet of paper caught is a gust of wind lol. The amount of damage depends of Nagato's position, pressure put forth, the targets density, and their position.
the crater wasn't deep?!?!? Look at the levels of the toads and the levels of the village!!!!! Keep in mind how large the toads are. You can't be serious!!!!
look at my previous post @ Blackflame about the Kyuubi's size.
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The buddha isn't a wall nor is it rooted to the ground like a wall so no you're wrong it won't be destroyed. This clearly shows that you don't know how repulsive forces work.
Yeah, cause blowing off someone's head is just injuring them. Cause blowing off someone's head doesn't mean that you have the intent to kill.
No, ST is ST and works the same way no matter how strong it is. A weak ST=A weak repulsive force. A strong ST=A strong repulsive force. The strength isn't going to change the inner workings of the jutsu. Killer B was blown back and not caused damage so ST doesn't cause damage by itself, manga proven. Not debatable. (Though if you knew how repulsive forces worked this wouldn't be a discussion)
Wiki is not the manga.
The repulsive force was aimed at the ground causing that crater. Doesn't change anything I've said.
Cause I said it wasn't deep, right? Wrong. I said it wasn't as deep as the one in VoTE. Nice use of the strawman though.
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compared to thousand hands.. those are only couple... =]. Still provide no proof but only assumptions.
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No, I don't think you understand.
Buddha's arms would come forward and Nagato would repel, similar to this situation.
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However, Buddha has a stronger force and is quite dense. therefore, it will not be blown backwards but rather collide as if it's hitting a wall. Again look at the needles on the image, notice how it looks as if they're hitting an invisible wall. This is the ability to repel and it's power depends of how much chakra/pressures Nagato applies.
Oh my lord, this guy! lol I can't think of the film, so i can't present better example for you to visually SEE and understand. Bee wasn't an opposing force against the ST, so of course the result would be him flying backwards. In order for Bee's bones to have been crashed as Buddha would be, Ngato would either have to be extremely close and put more effort into ST or Bee would have to be just as dense of ST itself in moving forward.
show me how deep the "VoTe" is in comparison!
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You can clearly see the Kunai being repelled, not far, but they are still being repelled. If it was like they crashed into a wall then they would have fallen and not bounced back.
Again, no it won't. It being an opposing force isn't going to make it magically tear apart due to ST.
-Say the force of Nagato's ST is 50 and the force of the Buddha's barrage is 100. If they collide, 100 will break past 50 with still 50 force left over.
-If they were both 50 then they'd cancel each other out cause the forces were equal.
-If Nagato's ST was 100 and Buddha's barrage was 50, the Barrage wouldn't get through and ST would push its fists back with 50 force left over.
The only way for it to break is if it hits a durable enough wall, with enough force as the wall (If Durable enough) will rebound the force back at the Buddha and the Buddha's arms will be damaged or fall apart, if there was enough force behind its punch. Same concept as someone punching a wall with their hand.
ST is not a wall or a sturdy object that would rebound the Buddha's force back at it, it would cancel it out with its own force.
Even if he was an opposing force, the above would apply. If he was exerting more force than ST he'd break through. If he was exerting less force he'd get tossed back but not as far as if he was exerting no force, which is what happened in the manga.
Nagato being closer to him isn't going to change the fact that ST doesn't cause damage on its own. If B was exerting the same amount of force as ST he'd cancel it out, not be injured.
Go learn how forces work before replying, cause you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
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The Konoha crater is extremely wide, and its deep but not as deep as this. The VoTE crater is deep, but not as wide as the Konoha crater.