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Shino VS Sai
Location-Neji VS Kido
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Location-Neji VS Kido
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He blitz the shit out of Deidara and Sasori when they were looking right at him. He got behind them and formed the giants before they even realized he moved.
Ye, but some of the Edo Akatsui were obviously reincarnated as much weaker than their alive selves seeing how Kakuzu could beat Kakashi without much trouble in a 1v1 but lose/get blitzed by two half-decent Chunin's (even though he's also faster than Kakashi). Also, Deidara being blitzed by Sai would imply Sai's speed is THAT much faster than Gaara's sand speed, which I find ridiculous since this means Gaara would get blitzed by Sai as well.
I wouldn't take war arc akatsuki feats seriously. Kishimoto lost his mind by then. Heck most War Arc feats in general are just poorly done, and are 99% of the time for plot convenience, but people are forced to use them, cause what else can you do?
People overdo this whole "Part 1 Kakashi" shit. The dude improved because his eyes upgraded. 3-T Kakashi remains pretty much the same throughout the show. Part 1 - Part 2 wasn't a major jump for Kakashi outside of MS, same thing with War Arc Kakashi.
Orochimaru's edo tensei? That's not Kabuto's. Kabuto even managed to make one of them stronger than in his prime (Madara) so there's no reason to believe Kabuto's army was weaker, and anyways, you said some of the akatsuki were a lot weaker, which is obviously an exageration.
And zombie arc Kakashi is still faster than Kakuzu sunshin wise, and has better reflexes and striking speed than him too.
People won't understand this because the only time Kakashi fought in part 1 he was pretty much restricted.
-His full speed wasn't shown to be impressive because Zabuza himself was pretty fast too, and using speed against an invisible enemy is pretty much useless
-He had to take care of Tazuna and Sakura
-What else could he do inside the mist if he couldn't see the enemy?
That's why he didn't show anything impressive, it's because he couldn't. But saying part 2 Kakashi >> Part 1 Kakashi by anything else than Kamui is not correct. War arc Kakashi did upgrade almost every aspect tho.
Edo Hokages were brought back using Zestus so that really increases their strength.
People have to realize that Akastuki were up against a bunch of jounin who had intel on how to beat them, its no wonder they lost. Some didnt even have their arsenal.
If you didnt see an increase in his stamina/chakra then you werent paying too much attention.
Part 1 Kakashi was falling from using 3T too much.
Part 2 Kakashi faints from using MS too much.
Uhh Orochimaru uses the same Edo Tensei Kabuto developed. Madara is somewhat of an exception (not really, I'll get to that) because he studied him and formed a hypothesis, the rest where just brought back to life using their DNA. And anyways, even if that's what Kabuto stated, it needs to be read in a different context because Hashirama states Madara became as strong as when he was alive after he was Rinne Tensei'd
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. Kabuto said Madara was stronger than in his 'prime' because of the pair of Rinnegan he gave him, but they lacked Rikudo chakra so it basically gave him nothing other than the 6 paths abilities (which in turn made up for the loss in power from ET in Kabuto's opinion). Chakra wise, he was weaker as ET, as Hashirama pointed out, he just had a greater arsenal. And if Deidara can be blitzed by Sai with ease yet Deidara can easily manoeuvre Gaara's sand then clearly there's no correlation here. Even Hebi Sasuke couldn't blitz Deidara and attack him head-on, yet Sai could somehow disappear from their vision, appear BEHIND them, and Launch an attack all before they can do anything? Yea, I'm not buying it fam. Haku even got close to blitzing Sai, child Sasuke was perceiving her at chapter ~14 with a 2 tomoe Sharingan. At the time Hebi Sasuke was 'far ahead' of KN3 Naruto.. I hope this puts perspective on how absurd the notion of Sai being capable of blitzing Deidara no diff without reaction is, given child Nardo Kn0 can blitz Haku, Adult Naruto blitzes Child KN0 Naruto>KN1 rapes Base Naruto and KN3 Nardo blitzes the shit out of KN1 Naruto, all of which are inferior to Hebi Sasuke (by a long run according to Oro) yet the same Hebi Sasuke couldn't even blitz Deidara in a frontal attack, let alone appear behind Deidara with no reaction and then have the time to use a jutsu from behind them because they couldn't even see your speed. Just lolBased on????? And we're talking reaction/movement speed here, the things you are mentioning are irrelevant since reflexes come from Kakashi's Sharingan and striking speed has no place in this debate.
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...... We're arguing the manga Kishi wrote, not how you think it should have gone.