[Discussion] Shinigami Aizen vs Yamamoto

[TRE MERCER]

Yea it turns to a liquid meaning it can be burned to nothingness the moment it leaves Yama clothes an the hilt of his zanpacto is purple not black.

He has to do a ritual an chant that's not good..an I guess you can defend against it if Bach did.

Let's not use Bach as a example his powers> Yamamoto's. ​

 

[Lightbringer]

Yea it turns to a liquid meaning it can be burned to nothingness the moment it leaves Yama clothes an the hilt of his zanpacto is purple not black.

He has to do a ritual an chant that's not good..an I guess you can defend against it if Bach did.

You can't burn darkness. And Yhwach is the son of the Soul King who can see the future. We don't know what he did but I doubt Yamamoto can do the same.

 

[Phoenix110]

It's already been said

 

[Souji]

Anything the black ink touches loses its name and power. How would Yamamoto remove it? Let's not forget that Ichibei has the power of black. Anything with the color of black becomes his power and last I checked, that includes Yamamoto and his Zankpakuto which contain black.

Yes, that's true, it becomes his power, but the power of "black" doesn't harm or affect his opponent unless:

1. the ink released from Ichimonji comes into contact with its intended target,

or:

2. Ichibei performs Futen Daisatsuryo.

The Futen Daisatsuryo is a technique that takes away all the darkness in the enemy and completely annihilates them, sending them into absolute oblivion without a chance of reincarnation.

I wonder if Ichibei can complete the ritual before Yama slashes him with ZnT?

Ichibei also survived obliteration by having his name uttered.

Ichibei was not obliterated. Obliterated would imply there's nothing left. He was simply dismembered an reassembled. Just pointing that out.

Yamamoto stands no chance against him.

I think it could go either way, honestly. I still am under the belief Yama's destructive capability is unmatched, just yet. Ichibei might win in terms of technical prowess, though.

Well obviously Yamamoto was set out to kill Ywhach and failed. Why would he not use his entire bankai if it could have killed Ywhach? It just doesn't make sense. We don't know the exact details of the fight, just that Yamamoto couldn't finish him off.

Yes, Yama used his entire bankai against Yhwach, and it had different properties at the time. I kind of wanna see it in a flashback if possible.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Yes, that's true, it becomes his power, but the power of "black" doesn't harm or affect his opponent unless:

1. the ink released from Ichimonji comes into contact with its intended target,

or:

2. Ichibei performs Futen Daisatsuryo.



I wonder if Ichibei can complete the ritual before Yama slashes him with ZnT?



Ichibei was not obliterated. Obliterated would imply there's nothing left. He was simply dismembered an reassembled. Just pointing that out.



I think it could go either way, honestly. I still am under the belief Yama's destructive capability is unmatched, just yet. Ichibei might win in terms of technical prowess, though.



Yes, Yama used his entire bankai against Yhwach, and it had different properties at the time. I kind of wanna see it in a flashback if possible.

No Yama did not use his bankai full power 1000 years ago,please read

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[Souji]

No Yama did not use his bankai full power 1000 years ago,please read

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Ah, sorry, that was my bad.

Jeez, Yama was indeed the strongest Shinigami.

 

[Lightbringer]

Yes, that's true, it becomes his power, but the power of "black" doesn't harm or affect his opponent unless:

1. the ink released from Ichimonji comes into contact with its intended target,

or:

2. Ichibei performs Futen Daisatsuryo.



I wonder if Ichibei can complete the ritual before Yama slashes him with ZnT?



Ichibei was not obliterated. Obliterated would imply there's nothing left. He was simply dismembered an reassembled. Just pointing that out.



I think it could go either way, honestly. I still am under the belief Yama's destructive capability is unmatched, just yet. Ichibei might win in terms of technical prowess, though.



Yes, Yama used his entire bankai against Yhwach, and it had different properties at the time. I kind of wanna see it in a flashback if possible.

I guess I can see Yamamoto and Ichibie because two sides one coin. Yamamoto represents light and Ichibie darkness.

Yes, Yamamoto's destructive capabilities are unmatched. But Ichibie, he takes all powers away and turns them into nothing. He's the perfect counter for Yamamoto who relies on his Bankai.

And you can't burn darkness.

 

[ToadSageNaruto]

I think it could go either way, honestly. I still am under the belief Yama's destructive capability is unmatched, just yet. Ichibei might win in terms of technical prowess, though.

this. though i'm leaning more towards yama. i wouldn't be surprised of either outcome.

 

[bashkim]

We never see the fight between Yammato and Bach. I do not think Yammato would have beat him, if Bach has opened his eyes at that time. He would kill Yammato like the monk, who survived, because has steal some of Ichigo powers.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

We never see the fight between Yammato and Bach. I do not think Yammato would have beat him, if Bach has opened his eyes at that time. He would kill Yammato like the monk, who survived, because has steal some of Ichigo powers.

It's very possible that Yhwach opened his eyes in that fight.

Jugram commented that Yhwach opened his eyes in the past...

 

[bashkim]

It's very possible that Yhwach opened his eyes in that fight.

Jugram commented that Yhwach opened his eyes in the past...

Could you provide me manga scan?

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Could you provide me manga scan?

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[Amaterasu]

Yama stomps him no-diff

 

[bashkim]

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And were stated that Bach open his eyes during the fight with Yammato?

 

[Forbidden Tale]

And were stated that Bach open his eyes during the fight with Yammato?

1. I never said Jugram stated that Yhwach opened his eyes against Yamamoto, I said that it's likely that Yhwach opened his eyes, because Jugram said Yhwach usually fights with his eyes closed.

2. Think about that. Why would Yhwach fight with only part of his powers and risk to lose against Yamamoto? It has more sense to fight with his full power... tho, Yhwach still lose the fight...

 

[bashkim]

1. I never said Jugram stated that Yhwach opened his eyes against Yamamoto, I said that it's likely that Yhwach opened his eyes, because Jugram said Yhwach usually fights with his eyes closed.

2. Think about that. Why would Yhwach fight with only part of his powers and risk to lose against Yamamoto? It has more sense to fight with his full power... tho, Yhwach still lose the fight...

I thought for myself also, but in the end it does not make sense, because we saw that Bach has the ability to understand the power of his foe and to nullify like when he fought the monk.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

I thought for myself also, but in the end it does not make sense, because we saw that Bach has the ability to understand the power of his foe and to nullify like when he fought the monk.

There is where I think point of SWP is...

SWP has something that can surpass Yhwach's Almighty (my theory) and that's why they are so dangerous. There are 5 SWP, Ichigo, Zaraki, Aizen and two unknown, so I think these 5 somehow can counter Almighty. Yhwach said that Yamamoto is not part of SWP because Yhwach feel Yamamoto got weaker compared to 1000 years ago, old age, no arm and most important Yama became soft.

 

[ToadSageNaruto]

There is where I think point of SWP is...

SWP has something that can surpass Yhwach's Almighty (my theory) and that's why they are so dangerous. There are 5 SWP, Ichigo, Zaraki, Aizen and two unknown, so I think these 5 somehow can counter Almighty. Yhwach said that Yamamoto is not part of SWP because Yhwach feel Yamamoto got weaker compared to 1000 years ago, old age, no arm and most important Yama became soft.

I agree w/ you. I think the special war potentials are immune because they're power caps are no where in sight. they're constantly getting stronger and don't know/ haven't reached the depths of their own powers.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

There is where I think point of SWP is...

SWP has something that can surpass Yhwach's Almighty (my theory) and that's why they are so dangerous. There are 5 SWP, Ichigo, Zaraki, Aizen and two unknown, so I think these 5 somehow can counter Almighty. Yhwach said that Yamamoto is not part of SWP because Yhwach feel Yamamoto got weaker compared to 1000 years ago, old age, no arm and most important Yama became soft.

Well Yama did say to the fake Bach now that ur sword is broken you don't have anymore abilities you can use so goin by that I don't believe Bach opened his eyes back then.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Well Yama did say to the fake Bach now that ur sword is broken you don't have anymore abilities you can use so goin by that I don't believe Bach opened his eyes back then.

That's true, tho that could be explained:

- Yamamoto already knew that inside himself he has power to surpass Almighty, so Almighty for Yhwach was useless from the start.