Sharingan Tobi > Minato

[Bogard]

So someone who get owned and run away cuz he is afraid is now stronger? WTH

 

[Pravin5]

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[Minator93]

Minato and Tobi are equals.
When Tobi is concerned, its just as Minato said, a ninja needs a special set of skills to fight Tobi [S/T, Sealing Techs, Speed, High Intelligence and Offensive jutsus] and Minato just happened to be the ninja with that particular set of skills and thats why Tobi was impressed and told Minato that he deserves the title of the 4th Hokage.

And yes Sharingan Tobi is highly underrated. In fact Sharingan Tobi can take on anyone from Hashirama to Kabuto thanks to the S/T, Ghost Mode and the perfect Izanagi.

 

[TobisPawn]

So someone who get owned and run away cuz he is afraid is now stronger? WTH

Tobi could have simply one-shot Minato with Genjutsu. Its this thing called plot.

Havn't anyone realised that Tobi was controling the Kiyubi (with a normal sharingan) when he fought Minato? He was handling two business at the same time.

This too. But beware the Minato fans. They see one side but not the other. -__-

Nope, want to know why read the spoiler box.

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Because you just can't compare the dead to the living MOFO!!!!, and how dare you!!!! Brains can beat anything if use correctly and those are things Minato has. EASY WIN FOR Minato= SEALING JUTSU ALL DAY@!

Easy win for Tobi!111! Genjutsu all day@!

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I'm not underrating Minato. How would he avoid Tobi's Genjutsu?

Minato and Tobi are equals.
When Tobi is concerned, its just as Minato said, a ninja needs a special set of skills to fight Tobi [S/T, Sealing Techs, Speed, High Intelligence and Offensive jutsus] and Minato just happened to be the ninja with that particular set of skills and thats why Tobi was impressed and told Minato that he deserves the title of the 4th Hokage.

And yes Sharingan Tobi is highly underrated. In fact Sharingan Tobi can take on anyone from Hashirama to Kabuto thanks to the S/T, Ghost Mode and the perfect Izanagi.

And his haxed Genjutsu.

 

[Bogard]

Tobi could have simply one-shot Minato with Genjutsu. Its this thing called plot.

He didn't do it at that time. That means he can't, maybe because Minato is too fast to get caught by something like that.

 

[ronus]

Tobi admired Minato as well.
Just admiration doesn't mean anything.

1. Minato said this: Tobi's teleportation tech, surpasses both his and 2nd. Ya thats right: he doesn't need seal to teleport. But Minato with his FTG level 2, managed not only to hit Tobi with Rasengan, but also took Kyubii out of his control in an instant.

2. Tobi definitely was a great threat. That is the only reason why he came back and
a. dealt with kyubi rather than being a mad man and continue pointless chase after him.
b. sealed Kyubii in Naruto cause he was sure that Tobi would strike again( he even gave up his life to seal it in Naruto, why? Cause naruto and Kyubii combo wouldn't have looked like that of Sage if he had used another seal)
And have you totally forgotten about Will of fire. 'the will to protect the coming generation'. Being Hokage means being responsible for the protection of his village. So in a sense, While Tobi was burdened with one Kyubii control he was burdened with thousands life.

3. Minato's base speed is much greater than that of Tobi

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Further His FTG had levels: level 1, 2(maybe 3 who knows).

4. Tobi's Saringan you say. So why didn't Tobi used it to deal with Minato at first and he could have dealt with Kyubii later on. He just wanted to separate Minato cause he knew Minato wouldn't fall in his Genjutsu so easily. So he thought he could over power Minato with his teleportation(which failed) then with Kyubii(which in a sense failed as well).

5. Minato had responsibility of protecting the Village. So that is the reason he didn't follow Tobi. If he had then this

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would have happened yet again. Tobi had already lost his hand, so he could no longer fight in the same efficiency. All he could do was to run away with tail behind his leg.

6. Saringan may have impressive powers but if he doesn't use it then Minato is not to be blamed. It is entirely Tobi's fault. Or may be he couldn't use it against Minato(why? who knows?)

7. Minato dealt with Tobi(who as you have said is much much more powerful than Minato) And again dealt with Kyubii(the strongest being), I wonder who is overrating whom.?????

8. Sharingan Tobi might be stronger but he wouldn't be able to defeat Minato yet again, Why??? It takes more than power, experience and techniques to win a battle/fight. Naruto has won against opponents much stronger than him. I bet Minato who is much more Intelligent, a genius who is supposed to be born once in a generation with strength of will of fire, could deal with much much more powerful opponents and still be alive and well..

9. If controlling Kyubi and fighting Minato was such a burden he should have dealt with Minato first. Is that Minato's fault that he didn't??

 

[TobisPawn]

He didn't do it at that time. That means he can't, maybe because Minato is too fast to get caught by something like that.

So because Minato didn't use any other jutsu, he can only use FTG and Rasengan? Tobi and Minato made eye contact countless times. But plot prevailed. :shrug:

Tobi admired Minato as well.
Just admiration doesn't mean anything.

1. Minato said this: Tobi's teleportation tech, surpasses both his and 2nd. Ya thats right: he doesn't need seal to teleport. But Minato with his FTG level 2, managed not only to hit Tobi with Rasengan, but also took Kyubii in an instant.

2. Tobi definitely was a great threat. That is the only reason why he came back and
a. dealt with kyubi rather than being a mad man and continue pointless chase after him.
b. sealed Kyubii in Naruto cause he was sure that Tobi would strike again( he even gave up his life to seal it in Naruto, why? Cause naruto and Kyubii combo wouldn't have looked like that of Sage if he had used another seal)
And have you totally forgotten about Will of fire. 'the will to protect the coming generation'. Being Hokage means being responsible for the protection of his village.

3. Minato's base speed is much greater than that of Tobi

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Further His FTG had levels: level 1, 2(maybe 3 who knows).

4. Tobi's Saringan you say. So why didn't Tobi used it to deal with Minato at first and he could have dealt with Kyubii later on. He just wanted to separate Minato cause he knew Minato wouldn't fall in his Genjutsu so easily. So he thought he could over power Minato with his teleportation(which failed) then with Kyubii(which in a sense failed as well).

5. Minato had responsibility of protecting the Village. So that is the reason he didn't follow Tobi. If he had then this

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would have happened yet again. Tobi had already lost his hand, so he could no longer fight in the same efficiency. All he could do was to run away with tail behind his leg.

6. Saringan may have impressive powers but if he doesn't use it then Minato is not to be blamed. It is entirely Tobi's fault. Or may be he couldn't use it against Minato(why? who knows?)

7. Minato dealt with Tobi(who as you have said is much much more powerful than Minato) And again dealt with Kyubii(the strongest being), I wonder who is overrating whom.?????

8. Sharingan Tobi might be stronger but he wouldn't be able to defeat Minato yet again, Why??? It takes more than power, experience and techniques to win a battle/fight. Naruto has won against opponents much stronger than him. I bet Minato who is much more Intelligent, a genius who is supposed to be born once in a generation with strength of will of fire, could deal with much much more powerful opponents and still be alive and well..

I pretty much agree with a lot of what you said. But Tobi would have had a good chance of beating Minato if he used Genjutsu or Izanagi. I'm not saying that Tobi is much more powerful than Minato. :shrug:

 

[Ero sennin jiraiya]

From what i read in the manga, it seemed like Minato > Sharingan tobi.

 

[Bogard]

So because Minato didn't use any other jutsu, he can only use FTG and Rasengan? Tobi and Minato made eye contact countless times. But plot prevailed. :shrug:

The fact they made eye contact several times and that Tobi didn't tried genjutsu shows that he maybe knew it was useless. The reason why? I don't really know. Maybe because he was too fast like i've said, or maybe cuz he has developped a seal jutsu that counter genjutsus. After all he developped a seal jutsu to counter the genjutsu Tobi made on Kyubi, so it's not really that impossible to think.

 

[TobisPawn]

From what i read in the manga, it seemed like Minato > Sharingan tobi.

Manga definitely did show Minato beating Tobi in that fight. But Tobi didn't show a lot of his arsenal.

 

[shanee]

tobi. he has better space time techniques.

 

[Blaze Release]

The **** is this shit. The idea of using my quote to justify this stupid thread is annoying. Minato > tobi, that is a manga fact. What i said in that quote was asking whether pre ms tobi was top10 and going by his abilities he can challenge the very best, but also from the techniques demonstrated by both him and minato, he is stronger than minato, BUT that doesnt mean he beat minato because he didnt. That just means if you look at the two's techniques, pre rennigan tobi is stronger.

EDIT; On the genjutsu issue, that shouldnt even be an issue. Tobi had one sharigan visible and its due to eye contact he used that eye on the fox which was the main reason why he came to konoha. He cannot control the fox whilst trying to get minato in a genjutsu simultaneously with the same eye.

Secondly even though tobi's mask covers his face apart from his sharigan, not a lot of people have been able to to notice his sharigan. Deidora who was tobi's partner didnt notice the sharigan once and deidora is a shairgan hater for obvious reasons. If he was to see tobi's sharigan, he would react very negatively. Secondly team kakashi during their chase for sasuke, none of them noticed his sharigan even though many came in close proximity to him. Only kakashi another sharigan user was able to see it.

What im trying to say is that even though he hasnt covered that eye, because the mask is fairly deep not many people have been able to see his sharigan

 

[naruttebayo]

if u say rinnegan than i can consider
but sharingan tobi was already beaten once

 

[BloodSeed]

tobis plan is to destroy konoha and use the FOX power for his mooneye plan

after less than 1 minute skirmish from tobi and minato

your stronger tobi fled leaving minato deal with tobis very importand PET

from a distance: STRONGER TOBI: oh sh*t his sealing my pet that i need for my moonseye plan and control the power of the jubii. but im too scared to go back :rofl:

 

[moody2times]

Sharingan Tobi is in fact better than Minato. Minato landed one hit on Tobi, but that doesn't determine who's stronger, does it? If Minato was so confident in his ability to defeat Tobi, he would have followed and quickly killed him while Hiruzen dealt with Kurama.

And here's some panels proving that Sharingan Tobi was and is better than Minato:

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"Back then...he saw through everything I did..."
"He's no ordinary ninja..."

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Minato is clearly trembling and worried because he's realized that Tobi is more powerful than him. Why else would he be in so much fear?

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"He is incredible!"
"[He] wields space time techniques that exceed both the second's and mine"
"If I don't kill him he'll become a greater danger than the Demon Fox"---->Was he able to kill Tobi? No.

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"He was so strong not even the 4th could do anything agaisnt him!" -----> Naruto thought of the 4th as a great Hokage, and still admitted that Tobi was stronger than him.

And as a last resort, Tobi still had his perfect Izanagi and amazing Genjutsu.

Minato, at the start, was trembling and was awed by Tobi's power. Later, he intended to kill him, but wasn't able to. If he was so confident he could have instantly teleported to him and finished him off. And on top of that, Minato's own son admitted that Tobi was stronger than him. And Minato himself admitted that Tobi saw through all of his moves, and that Tobi's techniques were superior to his.

Sharingan Tobi > Minato, and this is with Tobi only showing one of his techniques thus far.


EDIT: I might not go as far as to say that Sharingan Tobi was superior to Minato. But if anything, they're even. That one battle doesn't prove Minato's superiority over Sharingan Tobi.


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LOL Tobi's Genjutsu can one-shot Minato. :rofl:

You say Sharingan Tobi is greater than Minato. However, the Tobi that Minato wounded is a Sharingan Tobi. All those statement by the 4th and Naruto are not acknowledgment of his superiority. When Naruto said that the 4th couldn't do anything, it was not that the 4th was weak, but just merely that He had his hands full and so he prioritized. When the 4th said that Tobi saw through everything he did, that is merely a statement of what the Sharingan can do. And when Minato was assessing Tobi, it wasn't fear, but caution. It is a good ninja trait (even in real life) to fully understand the situation you're in, your opponent's strength etc before you take him head-on.

Minato is not the only one in the show that has wounded the MUCH-FEARED Tobi. Konam also dealt several serious blows to Tobi. He is powerful no doubt, but those statements by the 4th, Naruto, and others are just the normal ways a villian is viewed by his opponent simply because not much is known about him. If all of Tobi's power is known, he won't get half the statement made about him.

And let me point something out to you, do you see the way Kabuto smiles around Tobi and the cautious way Tobi behaves around Kabuto. That is because Kabuto knows Tobi's estimate and Tobi doesn't know Kabuto's. NUFF SAID. :scorps:

 

[Exaar]

sharingan Tobi is stronger Yes, But he was Out matched by Minato.

As for Izanagi, he can only use it Once, Or Two(unless he wants to go completely blind). Once Minato Marks him, Inzanagi or not, he is Losing.

Minato is just a Bad match up for "sharingan tobi"

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Nuff said.

 

[TobisPawn]

The **** is this shit. The idea of using my quote to justify this stupid thread is annoying. Minato > tobi, that is a manga fact. What i said in that quote was asking whether pre ms tobi was top10 and going by his abilities he can challenge the very best, but also from the techniques demonstrated by both him and minato, he is stronger than minato, BUT that doesnt mean he beat minato because he didnt. That just means if you look at the two's techniques, pre rennigan tobi is stronger.

EDIT; On the genjutsu issue, that shouldnt even be an issue. Tobi had one sharigan visible and its due to eye contact he used that eye on the fox which was the main reason why he came to konoha. He cannot control the fox whilst trying to get minato in a genjutsu simultaneously with the same eye.

Secondly even though tobi's mask covers his face apart from his sharigan, not a lot of people have been able to to notice his sharigan. Deidora who was tobi's partner didnt notice the sharigan once and deidora is a shairgan hater for obvious reasons. If he was to see tobi's sharigan, he would react very negatively. Secondly team kakashi during their chase for sasuke, none of them noticed his sharigan even though many came in close proximity to him. Only kakashi another sharigan user was able to see it.

What im trying to say is that even though he hasnt covered that eye, because the mask is fairly deep not many people have been able to see his sharigan

I'm admitting that Minato beat Tobi.

 

[Draegod]

Wood style, Izanagi, sharingan, s/t, ghost mode, etc etc... Yea minatos best trick worked on him once, but it wouldn't have worked on him every time. It was a small spar, nothing more. That fight wasnt even serious to tobi, but same for minato (even tho he was going balls deep because of the time he had).

Tobi's goal was to stall and gain everyone's attention and he succeeded.

 

[Shisui Namikaze]

To that first scan minato was being humble. What he wanted to say was "son. He's no ordinary ninja but neither am I. I thrashed his ass quickly and he fled" that's what he wanted to tell naruto but his innocent nature made him say what he said lol xd

 

[Viewtiful]

I guess you missed the part where Minato trolled him.

Wood style, Izanagi, sharingan, s/t, ghost mode, etc etc... Yea minatos best trick worked on him once, but it wouldn't have worked on him every time. It was a small spar, nothing more. That fight wasnt even serious to tobi, but same for minato (even tho he was going balls deep because of the time he had).

Tobi's goal was to stall and gain everyone's attention and he succeeded.

Uh, no it wasn't. He ws trying to destroy Konoha. In fighting Minato, he was trying to kill him quickly. Never once did anything even indicate he was stalling. Minato was a hindrance that he needed to eradicate, but he couldn't. Simple as that.