Sharingan > Sound Genjutsu (with proof)

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I wanted to create this thread as soon as possible since the new chap is out : but had a lot of work so .. U_U
anyways :

we've all seen in the last Chapter that OG (OtoGenjutsu : SoundGenjutsu) affected the brothers even though they used susanoo : but after that many people came out saying : Sharingan is affected by OG ; and : the OG is the weakness of the Uchiha.

So there's how i plan to counter , simple syllogisms :

1- OG
1- reaching the victim : obviously OG affect the Victim within the range that can hear the note, then the chakra in their bodies goes berserk #Same function as Normal Genjutsu : but the most common effect we saw that it Paralyzes the Victim which means it will STAND STILL.

2-Exceptions exist: we saw Oro, once cought in the paralysis genjutsu, moving his arms trying to cut off the chakra current in his body, but itachi got him
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so you can try to break through a OG and you can : if the user didn't reach you on time which is plausible because basically : OG is used when the user need to paralyze a victim at long range : so it will take time for him to reach : so it's debatable

2- Sharingan
1- Basic Sharingan can see through Genjutsus : and OG isn't special in this matter.
Basic Sharingan can see through it : and by see through it i mean, the Sharingan User can know it's a gen and can make his mind See reality

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they see gen
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and reality

Not like Shikamaru's case : in which he only saw the Image that taguya wanted him to see #he was like day dreaming, even more like day sleeping
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3- Breaking through the OG is possible without sharingan (1 Case)

We saw this happening only in Shika's battle with tayuya when he used his shadow control to make himself feel the pain to wake himself up giving him enough time to counter :
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4- how a Sharingan user will break through the OG
So as proved in 2 : a Sharingan user will see reality and what is going on out there in the real world out of the genjutsu and as proved in 1 : OG victims are Paralyzed :, and in 3 : we proved that a none Sharingan user can make himself feel pein that will wake him up : so in a 1 v1 battle : Sharingan User Vs OG User it will really depend on how far the sharingan User is Clever, someone like shisui known to be the best in sharingan Gen: can trap the OG user in a genjutsu
and to prove it can happen : let me remind you of what happened in Itachi Vs Kurenai


so kurenai got itachi in a gen : but the SEC he looked at her, not necessarily eye contact cuz itachi can make people go in a gen if he pointed at them, but let's say they had an eye contact : so Itachi Caught HER in a Genjutsu which Switched the effect, so basically if the Og User looked to a sharingan User in the eye , even if the sharingan user is under a gen he risks to be trapped in a sharingan gen. So if actually the OG user's opponent is Itachi or Shisui, the sharingan > OG (in brief , it depends on the Sharingan users capacity

so people will come and say why didn't itachi do that ??
simply because when The OG was released : Itachi had his back turned to kabuto, which most of people didn't notice so he couldn't affect kabuto even with a gen that doesn't need eye contact.

and the final point that approves what um saying : Kabuto knew the OG 's weakness against the Sharingan that's why he used the snake Skin attack : so he can be out of Itachi's sight and I have to say I was Impressed by the way he Thought: so if it was the situation in a 1v1 itachi risked to loose, but if he was aware of kabuto's ability he would never turn his back on Kabuto

sry if it was kinda long. :cool: but i tried to make it as clear as possible.


Edit : fixed the IMGS

Cheers etc..
 
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The only way itachi or sasuke was able to break through sound was because they had a medium of entering the genjutsu - which is through a second body.

in other words: itachi had sasuke and sasuke had itachi.

if kabuto was fighting itachi and used the sound gen. technique. itachi would've been dead.

same exact scenario would've happened for sasuke.
 

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thats sound genjutsu for ya

and even madara is NOT breaking out of it
this sound genjutsu's victim was Pein #Nagato : let me remind you that Nagato Never showed able to break through Genjutsu. and the thread is about Sharingan vs OG, and rinnegan don't put people under Gen with an eye contact #JS
 

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The sharingan can see though VISUAL genjutsu, not SOUND genjutsu. Sound genjutsu involves only the ears, so therefore, there sharingan is unable to break out of it like others.
 

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The only way itachi or sasuke was able to break through sound was because they had a medium of entering the genjutsu - which is through a second body.

in other words: itachi had sasuke and sasuke had itachi.

if kabuto was fighting itachi and used the sound gen. technique. itachi would've been dead.

same exact scenario would've happened for sasuke.
agreed, Only If Kabuto was out of Itachi's way of Vision #Proved above.
If kabuto looked in Itachi's eyes what would stop itachi from casting a gen ?? nth I believe
 

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The only way itachi or sasuke was able to break through sound was because they had a medium of entering the genjutsu - which is through a second body.

in other words: itachi had sasuke and sasuke had itachi.

if kabuto was fighting itachi and used the sound gen. technique. itachi would've been dead.

same exact scenario would've happened for sasuke.
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sound genjutsu>eye genjutsu

wide range and able to trap mutiple person
 

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this sound genjutsu's victim was Pein #Nagato : let me remind you that Nagato Never showed able to break through Genjutsu. and the thread is about Sharingan vs OG, and rinnegan don't put people under Gen with an eye contact #JS
sharingan is NOT a "get out of genjutsu pass"
 

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The sharingan can see though VISUAL genjutsu, not SOUND genjutsu. Sound genjutsu involves only the ears, so therefore, there sharingan is unable to break out of it like others.
not Only the ears : the OG's Effect is that the victim sees an image that he's bounded : and The sharingan can overcome that. #proof : Itachi and Sasuke saw each other when they were under the gen : but Shikamaru who had no sharingan : Could only see what Taguya wanted him to.
 

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there is one more way ....it will sound like fanboyism but anyway
the speed of teleportation is gr8er thn sound (330 m/sec} ....so wen kabuto will use sound genjutsu , minato will just teleport .....
hehehe !!!!!!!
 

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The sharingan can see though VISUAL genjutsu, not SOUND genjutsu. Sound genjutsu involves only the ears, so therefore, there sharingan is unable to break out of it like others.
I have to agree with these. As much as it is a pain and confusing to try and understand the logic of both sides, these seems more logical. Also, if it was possible for them to break out of the "Sound" Genjutsu, why did they use the Sharingan Dispel Technique upon themselves and not Kabuto?

Comparing Rinnegan to Sharingan is relevant; for now. The main reason is way because Rinnegan could be the next evolution in the Sharingan Stage. These is why Nagato/Pain could not have counter the effects of the "Sound" Genjutsu and also be the reason why Itachi has not shown of placing Nagato/Pain into a Sharingan/MS illusion.
 

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Sound genjutsu is more effective because you cannot really avoid it unless you bring ear plugs with you. Thats the advantage sound genjutsu has.

The one that literally made me facepalm irl is when people claim neither sasuke or itachi cannot break the sound genjutsu if it was a 1 vs 1 situation because they used each others ability to get out of it. Forgetting that its not only a team effort that genjutsu has never been stated to be unbreakable and infact, follows the same laws in respect to the ability to cancel out genjutsu and shikamaru demonstrated one of these laws which is to cause pain to himself when he broke his finger :sy:
 
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Black Zetsu: "An expert with a pebble can still beat a novice with a shuriken."

change the pebble into sound genjutsu, shuriken into sharingan and theres the answer
 

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It's not about the type of genjustu(audio or visual) but it's about the level, the one Kabuto was using was a sage-genjustu which is obviously of very high level but Sasuke and Itachi both have mangekyou sharingan and had to use tsukuyomi-level genjustus to free each other!!..
 

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The only reason Itachi and Sasuke were able to break free from the sound genjutsu is because they put each other in genjutsu overwriting the original genjutsu. Similar to how Itachi broke free from Kabuto's control.

In a one on one situation, this is not possible.
 

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not Only the ears : the OG's Effect is that the victim sees an image that he's bounded : and The sharingan can overcome that. #proof : Itachi and Sasuke saw each other when they were under the gen : but Shikamaru who had no sharingan : Could only see what Taguya wanted him to.
Its effect causes them see the image cast by the genjutsu user, but it's through the sound that casues the image, not the eyes. Thats why they can't break it with just their sharingan.
 

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I have to agree with these. As much as it is a pain and confusing to try and understand the logic of both sides, these seems more logical. Also, if it was possible for them to break out of the "Sound" Genjutsu, why did they use the Sharingan Dispel Technique upon themselves and not Kabuto?

Comparing Rinnegan to Sharingan is relevant; for now. The main reason is way because Rinnegan could be the next evolution in the Sharingan Stage. These is why Nagato/Pain could not have counter the effects of the "Sound" Genjutsu and also be the reason why Itachi has not shown of placing Nagato/Pain into a Sharingan/MS illusion.
1- I answered this : they had their back turned on him : Itachi tried to get him with his eye but it seems he failed : And that's why Kabuto Used the White Skin Snake techn: to avoid getting in Itachi's field of vision.
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2- i know Rinnegan is an evolution to sharingan but Rinegan isn't a Genjutsu Specialist #Uchiha Madara never used Rinnegan To cast Genjutsu : he used Basic Sharingan : and I think Madara in terms of the genjutsu : is way better than nagato , yet he never used Rinne to cast gen.
cuz basically Rinne is the Ninjutsu Specialty, even the illusion it can Cast needs that the chakra blade enters the opponent's body to interrupt it's chakra flow. + we never saw Rinnegan seeing Reality when they were in Jman's OG : which means : Pein got cornered because Rinnegan doesn't see through gen
 

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Sound genjutsu is more effective because you cannot really avoid it unless you bring ear plugs with you. Thats the advantage sound genjutsu has.

The one that literally made me facepalm irl is when people claim neither sasuke or itachi can break the sound genjutsu if it was a 1 vs 1 situation because they used each others ability to get out of it. Forgetting that its not only a team effort that genjutsu has never been stated to be unbreakable and infact, follows the same laws in respect to the ability to cancel out genjutsu and shikamaru demonstrated one of these laws which is to cause pain to himself when he broke his finger :sy:
I agree and your right, but I think it is in most cases were one can cause pain to break illusions. In Shikamaru's case, he was able to with his Clan Technique, Shadow Imitation. However, Since Itachi and Sasuke was caught into a Paralyze Sound Genjutsu, if not mistaken, it took the two to cancel the Genjutsu through Visual Dispel Technique (or Doujutsu via Sharingan). Reason they were able is because the range, but if they were not close enough then it could have been the end for both of them.
 
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