Sharingan is Base level for Uchiha and Kirin uses no chakra

[Jiren]

Base means no enhancements. Compare Doujutsu and elemental KKG isnt correct.
This is base Uchiha for example:

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In other words Sharingan isnt base for Uchiha

I dont understand why it isnt correct to compare clan elemental kkg's and Dojutsu KKH? KKG abilties are genetic and so are the sharingans. That means it is a natural base ability. The sharingan is literally their organs.

 

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[Jiren]

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Kirin requires no chakra to use. Sasuke is guiding natural lightning in the sky. It has nothing to do with chakra at all.

Zetsu claims he tamed lightning itself.

 

[Uverdore9]

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Kirin requires no chakra to use. Sasuke is guiding natural lightning in the sky. It has nothing to do with chakra at all.

Zetsu claims he tamed lightning itself.

You can't teach clowns. Not now not ever.

 

[Jiren]

How convenient.

It's always the uchiha fans making up rules on what is what and I notice exceptions are always made for uchiha characters.

Also Kirin requires a lot of chakra to setup, Sasuke needed the heat from an entire forest burning plus all of his remaining chakra was spent on the fire balls.

It requires a lot of chakra to generate heat needed to eventually form clouds on a clear sky.

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This.

Sharingan needs to awakened first and then to use it, it needs to be activated first every time. Its not like the uchihas have it from birth. And the sharingan keeps draining the user's chakra for the time the its active. Haven't heard of a base mode that'd suck you dry without even using any jutsu lol.

have you ever seen a Hyuuga use byakugan without chakra. Or have you seen Haku use ice release without chakra. Basically Any jutsu or ability requires chakra it doesn't mean its not a base ability.


Non-base abilties are Orochimaru's seal or Kyuubi's chakra or even sage mode because it involves external factors.


Kirin's prep is entirely deducted if there are already storm clouds. I also asked if Kirin itself requires chakra to use based on the scan I posted.

 

[Jiren]

How convenient.

It's always the uchiha fans making up rules on what is what and I notice exceptions are always made for uchiha characters.

Also Kirin requires a lot of chakra to setup, Sasuke needed the heat from an entire forest burning plus all of his remaining chakra was spent on the fire balls.

It requires a lot of chakra to generate heat needed to eventually form clouds on a clear sky.

You can't teach clowns. Not now not ever.

Still I will try to educate them. They are passing around fallacies like a bad blunt.

 

[Askeladd]

Kirin needs chakra for 3 scenarios/steps in the technique

1. Chakra used to summon thunder clouds (in this case fire ninjutsu used on trees and the atmosphere)

2. Chakra used for lightning molding/shape making. (Unless you think lightnings natural shape is a dragon)

3. Chakra used to guide/direct the attack.

This.

OP : There is a fanfic section on NB, you should post that there.

 

[take it easy]

I dont understand why it isnt correct to compare clan elemental kkg's and Dojutsu KKH? KKG abilties are genetic and so are the sharingans. That means it is a natural base ability. The sharingan is literally their organs.

Sharingan is awakened ability which can be open and closed. Did Uchiha were born with Sharingans ? No, they were born with normal eyes.

 

[Uverdore9]

Sharingan is awakened ability which can be open and closed. Did Uchiha were born with Sharingans ? No, they were born with normal eyes.

Uchiha were known battle clan because of fire style and sharingan two reasons. You're doing a bad job trying exclude it from thier "base" arsenal. Byakugan and Rinnegan uses up energy. Excuse? Not being born with it doesn't make it non-base.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

No offense, but expecting Sasuke to manipulate all of that lightning despite being out of chakra is an unrealistic assertion. That would put him far beyond Hashirama in reserves. It's likely just a natural process tbh.

Lightning isn't sentient

its dragon form and its direction are both manipulated by chakra

Sasuke just grabbed a natural lightning bolt or several from those clouds and turned into his will via his own chakra

it is still an attack using Nature he just put it under his submission

Sharingan isn't base level because it drains chakra. Best example is vote2.

Yup completely correct for all dojutsu.

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Plus both the byakugan and sharingan are acquired abilities via emotional triggers or harsh training

For both the Uchiha and Hyuga the dojutsu most be acquired first via different means and are not a given even if it is dormant inside of them.


An active byakugan also drains chakra and stamina.

 

[Uverdore9]

Lightning isn't sentient

its dragon form and its direction are both manipulated by chakra

Sasuke just grabbed a natural lightning bolt or several from those clouds and turned into his will via his own chakra

it is still an attack using Nature he just put it under his submission



Plus both the byakugan and sharingan are acquired abilities via emotional triggers or harsh training

for both the Uchiha and Hyuga you just don't have the dojutsu unlocked on day 1.

Wrong first point. Kirin didn't require a bit of chakra to manipulate. Zetsu literally claimed he tamed lightning. More like the lightning was sentient. The word would be controlled otherwise. Sasuke admitted he didn't have chakra. Everything other than that is typical nonsense.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Wrong first point. Kirin didn't require a bit of chakra to manipulate. Zetsu literally claimed he tamed lightning. More like the lightning was sentient. The word would be controlled otherwise. Sasuke admitted he didn't have chakra. Everything other than that is typical nonsense.

How do you tame something?

Do I tame a dog by it just deciding to become tame, or do I use physical and verbal means?

Same thing here, he tamed it with his chakra.

Tamed things are now pets or ridden on , etc.. and what do you use to ride them or make them go on a walk? A leach or saddle.


He used his chakra, end of....

Sasuke kept on blabbering in VOTE 2 he "never" had chakra either.


Kirin is him guiding the lightning that is naturally there (or made via temperature manipulation and moisture) with the user's said chakra.


Did this lightning on his hand appear out of nowhere?

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I though he didn't HAVE chakra.


Calls it a Jutsu too.

 

[NarutoX28]

Lightning isn't sentient

its dragon form and its direction are both manipulated by chakra

Sasuke just grabbed a natural lightning bolt or several from those clouds and turned into his will via his own chakra

it is still an attack using Nature he just put it under his submission

Zetsu claimed that Sasuke tames lightning produced by the atmospheric heat because manipulating that amount of lightning is impossible with someone's own chakra yet you're asserting the contrary that Sasuke managed to do so despite conceding that he literally had no chakra left. We didn't see this dragon manifest until after Sasuke's assertion. Either that's a natural byproduct of the jutsu or Sasuke's literally a fckin chakra god where .1% of his normal reserves is akin to that of the Juubi.

Pick your poison.

 

[Jiren]

Sharingan is awakened ability which can be open and closed. Did Uchiha were born with Sharingans ? No, they were born with normal eyes.

The sharingan is still genetic. People can be born with brown eyes and then later they turn green. Its still in their blood.

 

[Uverdore9]

How do you tame something?

Do I tame a dog by it just deciding to become tame, or do I use physical and verbal means?

Same thing here, he tamed it with his chakra.

Tamed things are now pets or ridden on , etc.. and what do you use to ride them or make them go on a walk? A leach or saddle.


He used his chakra, end of....

Sasuke kept on blabbering in VOTE 2 he "never" had chakra either.


Kirin is him guiding the lightning that is naturally there (or made via temperature manipulation and moisture) with the user's said chakra.


Did this lightning on his hand appear out of nowhere?

I though he didn't HAVE chakra.


Calls it a Jutsu too.

If you look with your eyes wide full open you'll see the atmospheric electricity all around him. His blabbering is still greater than this posters typical nonsense. Itachi saw his chakra levels said he had none he admitted it end of story. Sasuke tamed lightning natural.

 

[Uverdore9]

Zetsu claimed that Sasuke tames lightning produced by the atmospheric heat because manipulating that amount of lightning is impossible with someone's own chakra yet you're asserting the contrary that Sasuke managed to do so despite conceding that he literally had no chakra left. We didn't see this dragon manifest until after Sasuke's assertion. Either that's a natural byproduct of the jutsu or Sasuke's literally a fckin chakra god where .1% of his normal reserves is akin to that of the Juubi.

Pick your poison.

He won't pick he don't have the guts to.

 

[Jiren]

How do you tame something?

Do I tame a dog by it just deciding to become tame, or do I use physical and verbal means?

Same thing here, he tamed it with his chakra.

Tamed things are now pets or ridden on , etc.. and what do you use to ride them or make them go on a walk? A leach or saddle.

He used his chakra, end
of....

So you're literally denying the manga despite what was said. Zetsu said Sasuke tamed lighting which means Lightning is Sasuke's pet. Sasuke can control lightning without chakra.

and Since when do you compare anime to real life ?

Sasuke kept on blabbering in VOTE 2 he "never" had chakra either.

no he didn't? and if he did so what?

Sasuke kept on blabbering in VOTE 2 he "never" had chakra either.


Kirin is him guiding the lightning that is naturally there (or made via temperature manipulation and moisture) with the user's said chakra.


Did this lightning on his hand appear out of nowhere?

I though he didn't HAVE chakra.


Calls it a Jutsu too.

Sasuke literally says he's out of chakra and Itachi confirms it at well.


So what now you're going to deny what two characters said have during a battle to the death to execute and push in your own fanfic and assertions.

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After reading the above don't tell me that you're still going to pass off the jibberish in numbers 3 and 2 in the quote below as the logical truth.

Kirin needs chakra for 3 scenarios/steps in the technique

1. Chakra used to summon thunder clouds (in this case fire ninjutsu used on trees and the atmosphere)

2. Chakra used for lightning molding/shape making. (Unless you think lightning's natural shape is a dragon)

3. Chakra used to guide/direct the attack. (Unless you think natural lightning is sentient and would defy its own physical electron based law by its own leisure)

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Zetsu claimed that Sasuke tames lightning produced by the atmospheric heat because manipulating that amount of lightning is impossible with someone's own chakra yet you're asserting the contrary that Sasuke managed to do so despite conceding that he literally had no chakra left. We didn't see this dragon manifest until after Sasuke's assertion. Either that's a natural byproduct of the jutsu or Sasuke's literally a fckin chakra god where .1% of his normal reserves is akin to that of the Juubi.

Pick your poison.

read the above


doesn't have chakra but brings out a chidori on his palm

 

[Uverdore9]

read the above


doesn't have chakra but brings out a chidori on his palm

You're claiming he's lying. Trolls these days poor jokes. The lightning was from the sky blazing forth around. Look with eyes wide open.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

have you ever seen a Hyuuga use byakugan without chakra. Or have you seen Haku use ice release without chakra. Basically Any jutsu or ability requires chakra it doesn't mean its not a base ability.


Non-base abilties are Orochimaru's seal or Kyuubi's chakra or even sage mode because it involves external factors.


Kirin's prep is entirely deducted if there are already storm clouds. I also asked if Kirin itself requires chakra to use based on the scan I posted.

I never said that Byakugan mode is a hyuga's base mode to begin with. However Haku's kkg is not like a doujutsu where the user needs to activate it first to enter the doujutsu mode to use its abilities. There's always been a difference between the usage of doujutsu type kkg and ability type kkg.
That apart, base mode itself is most basic state of a ninja and we know an original sharingan users can always deactivate their sharingan mode to be like a normal ninja. Besides if its basic then no uchiha would ever turn their sharingan off and stay in that mode. But even the likes of Itachi and Sasuke have to deactivate their sharingan to be truly in their most basic mode without having to expend chakra unnecessarily to keep their sharingan on.
The idea itself that sharingan is an uchiha's basic mode is ridiculous when they can exist in a lower state and prefer to stay in a lower state when its not needed.
As for Kirin not requiring any chakra you're wrong. First Kirin requires for the user to manipulate the weather like by using the fire style jutsus to create powerful thunderclouds. Then the user needs to use their own lightning chakra to guide the natural lightning towards the target which again requires the user to expend their chakra. Without the second stage involving the guidance Kirin simply can't be used.
Maybe if Sasuke could pray to the heavens to make the natural lightning to fall on his targets then its a different case but Sasuke can't :lol.