Kakashi explains Chidori can be discharged by changing chakra form. If Sasuke charged his whole body with Chidori then discharged it, then i don't think that's actually the same as actively consciously expelling the technique from his points.. same as with Lee when he had visible chakra around his body when he opened gates iirc.
Pretty sure it does as he still needs to release Chidori from tenketsu around his whole body just as base Chidori emits it from the hands. He's actively utilizing Chakra from points other than the hands and feet simultaneously unlike base chidori.
Lee isn't using a tech out his tenketsu nor is he using the Chakra. He didn't actively release the Chakra and isn't doing anything with it. That effect was more like a oozing effect for the Gates since it causes more Chakra to flow through the body. But in Sasuke's case he's actually releasing the Chakra/Chidori from his whole body and actively utilizing it from his whole body.
I did edit my post and add more detail, I'll post it again once I've responded to this post.
Of course he needs the 1st Hokage's DNA to use the mokuton it's a kekkei genkai. Kekkei genkai can't be used by those who don't have the genetic material for them. There are a few expecting to the norm but they're rare.
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Yamato could likely use them because data probably exists on the first Hokage's jutsu. He could've learnt them via that method. The first Hokage was famous for his jutsu and ability to control tailed beasts so I don't see why not.
In Madara's case he copied them and pulled them out just like a boss, when the time came.
The Kekkei Genkai withheld in the blood of Konoha's finest lineage, the Uchiha clan. This unique ability, manifested only in a mere fraction [of people] even within the clan, is characterized by comma*-shaped markings in one's pupils. On top of an all-encompassing insight and powerful hypnosis, these eyes are hosts to a jutsu-copying ability that memorizes the techniques their gaze falls upon in an instant, and replicates them. Just like Kakashi who, in his fight against Zabuza, used it in such a way as to look like he could predict the future; according to their methods of use, the field of variations the caster can apply to their offense and defense expands indefinitely!!
The power of insight hidden inside these eyes discerns the mechanics of all ninjutsu, taijutsu and genjutsu without restriction, putting it above the crowd even by doujutsu standards. Furthermore, one can even see the patterns of their opponent's movements and attacks, striking firmly without fear of a counter-attack, avoiding lethal blows when defending, evading from offensive moves and so forth: one's combat ability is significantly improved in all kinds of aspects. An awe-inspiring ability for which the "Clairvoyant Eyes of Heaven**" would be an appropriate name indeed!!
The Sharingan's true power, in addition to the threat posed by its insight...*is its copying ability, that of making one's own any technique one sets eyes upon. Chakra, handseals... all the principles bringing the jutsu into existence will be recorded into the caster's memory in the blink of an eye, making its utilization possible.*Of course, the necessary volume of chakra and physical ability requirements must be met, but should one find themselves in some kind of dire situation, the Uchiha blood will demonstrate its accumulated experience, and never will those who have inherited it know any limits (tn: i.e even if you can't use the jutsu you've copied, the info will still prove most useful provided you can rub two brain cells together)!!
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-The Uchiha clan's God-given, clairvoyant doujutsu, transmitted by blood!!
-Seeing through something and duplicating its principles for oneself.
It records everything necessary to bring a jutsu into existence but the conditions must still be met, summary of the databook entry. Read bold parts. That way you'll understand the context of Kakashi's words.
Yamato has hashirama's chakra. The crystal also resounds with hashirama's chakra so leaf appointed him with the seal. All hidden jutsu are strored in leaf library like shadow clones. Yamato can learn it easily with permission of hokage. Yamato can also only use that seal alone not any other hashirama trademark technique like flower tree SS, golem etc etc.
Wood style is not just a KKG, its a secret jutsu, secret jutsus like these require special chakra(in yamato's case, hashirama's chakra) and that is why yamato uses it. Secret means the way to do the jutsu is there in leaf's library, so yamato practiced his skill and learned the seal just for suppressing the kyuubi because he was the only one in konoha who was known to wield wood.
Pretty sure it does as he still needs to release Chidori from tenketsu around his whole body just as base Chidori emits it from the hands. He's actively utilizing Chakra from points other than the hands and feet simultaneously unlike base chidori.
Lee isn't using a tech nor the ulitlizing Chakra. He didn't actively release. That effect was more like a oozing effect for the Gates at it causes more Chakra to flow through the body. But in Sasuke's case he's actually releasing the Chakra/Chidori from his whole body and actively utilizing it from his whole body.
Base Chidori isn't emitted from the hand though. The descriptions of both Chidori and Raikiri state the chakra is gathered in the arm. But its the intense concentration of that chakra that makes it visible even though its not being emitted. [
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If Sasuke activates his whole body for Chidori and discharges it, does that mean he's actually actively discharging it from his points?
In one swing, this swift stab turns into a famous blade that can even cut lightning!!
The one who is said to have copied over 1000 jutsu, Kakashi’s single original technique, this is Raikiri! Gai says that the true nature of this technique is a regular stab, but the amazing time when you see this huge amount of chakra is gathered in the hand, Kakashi’s arm becomes a famous blade that can cut through anything.
Kakashi, named Konoha’s greatest technician, created this ultimate secret art himself. It is really a simple technique perfected by honing it to the limit, an artisan’s technique.
Ending in a single point, this huge amount of chakra is a wonder even to the eyes of the enemy!! It predicts a hopeless future.
Kakashi’s Chidori cut lightning…that legend is the origin of the name Raikiri.
Love how jinrou had nothing to say so ignored the db saying its not just kkg but secret jutsu which can be learned by reading the scrolls in leaf if the learner has the requirements to learn it. I wanna hear his excuse for this
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Hokage necklace containing hokage's chakra was fanfic right? The necklace is doing the sealing, hashirama also became is capable of suppressing the jinchuuriki only with that seal. He can only control bijuuus by his own power but to control jinchuuriki he too needs the seal crystal so yamato literally did nothing other than point his hand to the necklace to make hokages chakra resound to his chakra which also contains hashirama chakra.
I asked you about Yamato and you're continually bringing up Sharingan's Db? The manga narrates "that's why he can use the First's Jutsu" not KKG. So please do tell why i would take your opinion over the manga's?
Kakashi could have said "that's why i can't use the technique" rather than his sharingan could not copy it. If you are going to bring the excuse he's not the owner of the eye when he's the only one to use the Sharingan's copy ability to what looks like its peak in the manga, then prove it.
Love how jinrou had nothing to say so ignored the db saying its not just kkg but secret jutsu which can be learned by reading the scrolls in leaf if the learner has the requirements to learn it. I wanna hear his excuse for this
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Hokage necklace containing hokage's chakra was fanfic right? The necklace is doing the sealing, hashirama also became is capable of suppressing the jinchuuriki only with that seal. He can only control bijuuus by his own power but to control jinchuuriki he too needs the seal crystal so yamato literally did nothing other than point his hand to the necklace to make hokages chakra resound to his chakra which also contains hashirama chakra.
I asked you about Yamato and you're continually bringing up Sharingan's Db? The manga narrates "that's why he can use the First's Jutsu" not KKG. So please do tell why i would take your opinion over the manga's?
Kakashi could have said "that's why i can't use the technique" rather than his sharingan could not copy it. If you are going to bring the excuse he's not the owner of the eye when he's the only one to use the Sharingan's copy ability to what looks like its peak in the manga, then prove it.
Hardly I've given you the databook entry you can deal with it, it's as clear as day on its context. The Sharingan copies everything, using The copied jutsu is conditional on meeting set requirements. Why Kakashi couldn't use it was because he doesn't have Haku's kekkei Genkai.
As for the word jutsu in the scan its not singular but could be reffering to all of it across the board. And when somebody says probably there are 0 indicators of it having a source.
Accept you got solo'd and know the Sharingan copies everything whether the user can replicate it or not.
It's because his intelligence is too high that when scans are provided he backtracks. Lmfao.
Edit: he said the crystal resounding with hashiramas chakra is fanfic! Lol. Such a intelligent brain guy.
Hardly I've given you the databook entry you can deal with it it's as clear as day on its context. And that the Sharingan copies everything using it is a condition of meeting set requirements. Why Kakashi couldnt use it was because he don't have Haku' s kekkei Genkai.
As for the word jutsu in the scan its not singular but could be reffering to all of it across the board. And when somebody says probably there are 0 indicators of it having a source.
Accept you got solo'd and know the Sharingan copies everything whether the user can replicate it or not.
So no proof to refute the manga's statement that Yamato (who is the bane of this discussion and not Sharingan) can use the first Hokage's Jutsu because of his cells? Very well then. Carry on your merry way Sal chan :lol
Hashirama's jutsu is secret + bloodline limit not just bloodline limit. Secret jutsus need special chakra to learn like shikamaru said in tayuya's fight. Thats why no one can learn shadow snitch even though its yin element technique. Yamato has the body requirement and has hashirama's special chakra to use wood element and he trained to get them as the scrolls in leaf village contain secret and forbidden techniques like shadow clone technique and immortality technique. So it does contain hashirama's jutsu manual but only with body cells can you even start learning it. Madara copied and memorized it in preparation for his plan and then when he got the cells, he used flower tree effortlessly which yamato couldnt even attempt. The crystal has a special quality of resounding to hashirama's energy/ chakra and yamato has zero role in the suppressing, only he directs hashirama's energy/ chakra residing in him to the crystal to suppress the jinchuuriki. Hashirama even became hokage because of that crystal and that's in preparation to suppress mito if she ever went out of control as nine tails gives a mass of hate into the container's mind and makes him evil.
Hardly I've given you the databook entry you can deal with it it's as clear as day on its context. And that the Sharingan copies everything using it is a condition of meeting set requirements. Why Kakashi couldnt use it was because he don't have Haku' s kekkei Genkai.
As for the word jutsu in the scan its not singular but could be reffering to all of it across the board. And when somebody says probably there are 0 indicators of it having a source.
Accept you got solo'd and know the Sharingan copies everything whether the user can replicate it or not.
It's useless arguing with guy, I'm arguing with this guy in some two three threads, no use, he'll repeat irrational points just to keep the illusion he's winning. You gotta visit the yinyang hyuga thread and look at the intellectual verbal dialogues this guy says. Like seriously, it'll surprise you.
Base Chidori isn't emitted from the hand though. The descriptions of both Chidori and Raikiri state the chakra is gathered in the arm. But its the intense concentration of that chakra that makes it visible even though its not being emitted. [
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If Sasuke activates his whole body for Chidori and discharges it, does that mean he's actually actively discharging it from his points?
The Chakra is gathered in the hand since it remains in the hand. He's still emiting Chakra from the hand for it to be gathered in said hand. This is why Sakura specifically said "He's emitting Chidori from the whole body."
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Which means for base Chidori , u still need to emit Chakra from the hands in contrast to Chidori stream releasing it from the entire body.
So no proof to refute the manga's statement that Yamato (who is the bane of this discussion and not Sharingan) can use the first Hokage's Jutsu because of his cells? Very well then. Carry on your merry way Sal chan :lol
Jinrou starts the discussion by saying Sahringan can't copy kekkei Genkai. I provide proof it can copy everything but the user can't use it unless the conditions are met. Jinrou goes back to Yamato and enters retard territory. Claims Yamato can use 1st Hokage' s jutsu because of Hanabi cells. My response no shit it's a kekkei Genkai how else would he able to use to of he doesn't meet the genetic requirements. Jinrou can't digest the context of the scan he provides and it's my fault.
I think I'm done concession accepted.
Ps. This is a thread about Sharingan not about Yamato like he even matters.
The Chakra is gathered in the hand since it remains in the hand. He's still emiting Chakra from the hand for it to be gathered in said hand. This is why Sakura specifically said "He's emitting Chidori from the whole body."
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Which means for base Chidori , u still need to emit Chakra from the hands in contrast to Chidori stream releasing it from the entire body.
Hashirama's jutsu is secret + bloodline limit not just bloodline limit. Secret jutsus need special chakra to learn like shikamaru said in tayuya's fight. Thats why no one can learn shadow snitch even though its yin element technique. Yamato has the body requirement and has hashirama's special chakra to use wood element and he trained to get them as the scrolls in leaf village contain secret and forbidden techniques like shadow clone technique and immortality technique. So it does contain hashirama's jutsu manual but only with body cells can you even start learning it. Madara copied and memorized it in preparation for his plan and then when he got the cells, he used flower tree effortlessly which yamato couldnt even attempt. The crystal has a special quality of resounding to hashirama's energy/ chakra and yamato has zero role in the suppressing, only he directs hashirama's energy/ chakra residing in him to the crystal to suppress the jinchuuriki. Hashirama even became hokage because of that crystal and that's in preparation to suppress mito if she ever went out of control as nine tails gives a mass of hate into the container's mind and makes him evil.
Tyrance stop. The manga clearly says Yamato can use his jutsu because of his cells.
Sasori for one doesn't have magnet release. But when he got a hold of the Kazekage's body, he began using the Kazekage's own techniques. Did Sasori copy them or steal this fanfic probably data that you and the other guy are on about for him to be able to use it through the Kazekage?
The Chakra is gathered in the hand since it remains in the hand. He's still emiting Chakra from the hand for it to be gathered in said hand. This is why Sakura specifically said "He's emitting Chidori from the whole body."
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Which means for base Chidori , u still need to emit Chakra from the hands in contrast to Chidori stream releasing it from the entire body.
I don't think it's like that though.. for instance, Tsunade and Sakura gather chakra in their fists but they are not emitting and because it isn't concentrated in high amounts like the Chidori, we don't see the chakra around their fists.
- However, i can't argue against the 'emitting' part "that Sakura says and tbh i don't fully understand my own argument myself So i'll concede here lol
I just feel it can't count considering Chidori for one is already a Ninjutsu and the manga and db explicitly point out the fact mastery of gentle fist is needed to release chakra from all points... but still conceding nonetheless since it also change the fact Gentle fist is a KKG.
Jinrou starts the discussion by saying Sahringan can't copy kekkei Genkai. I provide proof it can copy everything but the user can't use it unless the conditions are met. Jinrou goes back to Yamato and enters retard territory. Claims Yamato can use 1st Hokage' s jutsu because of Hanabi cells. My response no shit it's a kekkei Genkai how else would he able to use to of he doesn't meet the genetic requirements. Jinrou can't digest the context of the scan he provides and it's my fault.
I think I'm done concession accepted.
Ps. This is a thread about Sharingan not about Yamato like he even matters.
Yup I we should start ignoring this guy, he clearly doesnt understand the contexts of the scans we post for him. Still he cant understand hashirama's chakra is what let yamato do the seal, yamato is not doing the seal. A sealing jutsu done by your own looks like this unlike a necklace dependent kids play which is contextual yet this guy ignores. No helping then.
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And like this ^^^^ A sealing jutsu done by yourself with no catalyst. Yamato was the catalyst in this case and the necklace crystal did the sealing process by connecting fire shadow chakra and binding nine tails cloak. Dont so hard to understand.
Going through the thread again, there seems to be misconceptions on how Hyuga inflict damage. It was never stated Hyuga deal damage on their opponents by channeling their chakra into their tenketsu. They simply send their Jyuken into their opponents [
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Sending Hyuga chakra into another destroys organs but the same cannot be said for non Hyuga. That would mean Gentle fist is unique to them alone in the same way biting Karin and sucking her chakra to heal is unique to her alone. All Hyuga techniques require Juuken as an ingredient and this is why Byakugan needed or not, all the techniques are tagged KKG and not Hiden.
so, going back to the OP, the Sharingan can indeed copy any jutsu including Gentle Fist, but without the necessary conditions (kekkei genkai or nature transformations that haven't been learned), the wielder cannot reproduce the copied jutsu.
Therefore, what is the use of copying the Jyuken style if an Uchiha or a Sharingan wielder doesn't possess the innate ability to expe; chakra from every tenketsu? Moreover, the Gentle Fist is a fighting style upheld by the Hyuuga since god knows when. Hyuuga descendants undergo strict and rigorous training to master the art. SYNC. Uchiha are great, but c'mon, leave Jyuuken out of it. They don't even need it.
The necklace is doing the sealing, hashirama also became is capable of suppressing the jinchuuriki only with that seal. He can only control bijuuus by his own power but to control jinchuuriki he too needs the seal crystal so yamato literally did nothing other than point his hand to the necklace to make hokages chakra resound to his chakra which also contains hashirama chakra.
So i'll concede here lol
