Sharingan can copy Gentle fist

[Tauren Chieftain]

10 pages of Tyrance and his nonsense.

 

[Shogo Makishima]

This thread lmao.. I actually had to go look for differing definitions of the word inherit just to see if i'm actually in the wrong here but i got nothing





Two different translators, both use "inherit" but users (Uchiha fans as usual) from Narutobase say no, DB is wrong and they are right. :lol

You can Inherit something that is not genetic related. You don't need to be a uchiha fan to use common sense really.

 

[MightGai]

Damn, 10 pages?

OT: Yes, it can. GF is not KG, Byakugan is. GF is a fighting style that's supported by Byakugan, and some techniques cannot be executed without it (mainly, hitting tenketsus, even tho Madara with Rinnegan could see the pressure points in Gai's system. This would be something more exciting to discuss I guess.).

But there are some techniques, like Kaiten or Vacuum palm, that doesn't really require the Byakugan to properly work, so those may be copied without issues I guess.

 

[Jinrou]

You can Inherit something that is not genetic related. You don't need to be a uchiha fan to use common sense really.

In this context, Gentle fist is genetic related. The other two techniques in the translation are genetic related also. Why would the GF not be genetic related? Gentle fist literally destroys organs when passed into the body of others. You are telling me that ability can be taught/trained? Its like saying Karin's healing ability can be taught/copied. Makes no sense.

So until you provide scans or a statement that shows Gentle fist can be taught, Kishi's DB > your opinion.

 

[Exaar]

I'm still waiting for the part that actually shows them using it without the Byakugan. They're co dependant jutsu, gentle fist mastery can only be attained via the Byakugan because the users can see the teneketsi wirh them and learnt develop the jutsu. Hence they're classed as kekkei Genkai.

I posted the databook and even pointed out the parts that state what the byakugan is used for with said technique, It doesn't state the byakugan is required for them simply it's used as a tool to aid the jutsu. Nothing more, Nothingless

The only jutsu that is outright stated to require the byakugan is twin lion fist.

Since you claim they're separate Kekkei Genkai from the Byakugan yiu should have plenty of examples of them being used without the Byakugan. There should be examples of them being used in the manga. I look forward to the scans if you don't have any don't waste my time.

I just gave you examples, I even bolded the parts of the databooks for you.

Your the one saying things without posting a shred of evidence, Step up that troll game.

 

[Exaar]

But there are some techniques, like Kaiten or Vacuum palm, that doesn't really require the Byakugan to properly work, so those may be copied without issues I guess.

Nope, These jutsu are also labeled at KKG.

 

[lImmortal Regis]

Both, matter of fact, I saw your sig now, and matter of fact, it looks cool.

Yeah....thx, yours too.

 

[Shogo Makishima]

In this context, Gentle fist is genetic related. The other two techniques in the translation are genetic related also. Why would the GF not be genetic related? Gentle fist literally destroys organs when passed into the body of others. You are telling me that ability can be taught/trained? Its like saying Karin's healing ability can be taught/copied. Makes no sense.

So until you provide scans or a statement that shows Gentle fist can be taught, Kishi's DB > your opinion.

In the context is says the byakugan traditions was passed down. It is not specific to genetics but what the Hyuuga clan inherited from their ancestors. Boruto was taught gentle fist so trying to deny it at this point is only backtracking events that have already happened. Actual events> your opinion

 

[Jinrou]

In the context is says the byakugan traditions was passed down. It is not specific to genetics but what the Hyuuga clan inherited from their ancestors. Boruto was taught gentle fist so trying to deny it at this point is only backtracking events that have already happened. Actual events> your opinion

Byakugan traditions :lol Nice reach.

Boruto is taught that form by the only member in his family who actually uses taijutsu. What style do you expect he would use? And plot twist, Boruto is actually part Hyuga. Air palm and Rotation don't require the Byakugan as has been pointed out numerously. Yet they are still tagged KKG why?

I never input my opinion in this though lol.. Just Manga facts and the DB which you're trying continually to dance around :lol

 

[Mori Jin]

says the guy spamming the thread without an argument to begin with

Arguments already been made by a few people do far. As of yet no one has proved them wrong. Danced around the question? Sure. Provided manga or databook to prove their fanfic argument? No.

Now answer this (that is if you have the balls). Has anyone ever used the Gentle Fist Taijutsu style, that isn't a Hyūga by name or related to them by blood? I'll gladly concede if you can answer it.

 

[Jinrou]

No it's not a reach it literally says that in the scan you brought. The byakugan traditions that were passed down for 1000 years and I'm guessing gentle fist is part of that tradition. Yes Boruto is half Hyuuga but kkg is blood inherited abilties. Something that can be taught cannot be blood related and I'm welll aware of rotation and air palm abilities but i never once said anon byakugan can use saidnabilties. I only referred to the normal taijutsu style that was taught to Boruto.


I'm dancing around the databook and manga but somehow you can't seem to put two and two together that gentle fist is taught and the sharingan can copy movements pretty easily

"Something that can be taught cannot be blood related"

Yet scans showing Rotation and Air palm that don't logically need the byakugan to be learnt are tagged as Kekkei Genkai indicating they cannot be taught to non Hyuga but here you are still arguing blindly.

If you're referring to the Taijutsu movements only, then you cannot say Sharingan can copy Gentle fist as Gentle fist encompasses literally everything a Hyuga does. If Sharingan can copy that, then they can use all Hyuga techniques which we know is not possible.

 

[Shogo Makishima]

Arguments already been made by a few people do far. As of yet no one has proved them. Danced around the question? Sure. Provided manga or databook to prove their fanfic argument? No.

Now answer this (that is if you have the balls). Has anyone ever used the Gentle Fist Taijutsu style, that isn't a Hyūga by name or related to them by blood? I'll gladly concede if you can answer it.

Yawn. A question you already know the answer to yet proves nothing at all. No wonder you flock to others for guidance.

 

[Exaar]

No it's not a reach it literally says that in the scan you brought. The byakugan traditions that were passed down for 1000 years and I'm guessing gentle fist is part of that tradition. Yes Boruto is half Hyuuga but kkg is blood inherited abilties. Something that can be taught cannot be blood related and I'm welll aware of rotation and air palm abilities but i never once said anon byakugan can use saidnabilties. I only referred to the normal taijutsu style that was taught to Boruto.

Things that are KKG can be taught, You have the ability to use It but you need to be taught how to use it/train yourself how to use it properly.
This is the same with every KKG, be it elemental or Dojutsu.

Uchiha aren't born with the ability to wield the full potential of their sharingan from birth, People aren't born with the ability to use their elemental KKG's at their full potential from birth, Same goes for the Hyuga with GF. They just train to perfect it and be taught said abilities that fall under said catagory. They aren't magically going to know everything about their KKG.

 

[Mori Jin]

Yawn. A question you already know the answer to yet proves nothing at all. No wonder you flock to others for guidance.

Answer the question then. What I know is not exactly what you know.

Has anyone who's not a Hyūga by name or related to them by blood ever used the Gentle Fist Taijutsu style? It's a simple question.

 

[Uverdore9]

Uchiha doesnt awaken sharingan through training. The denial....:lol. Amazing. Sharingan is a bloodline which is transmitted through blood like db says. One doesnt be a bloodline unless transmitted through blood. Hyuga taijutsu is not transmitted through blood. Case closed. I'm shocked this discussion is still going on...:lol the irony, neji can use vaccumm 80 gods with training with its kkm label but uchihas cant master gentle fist because of its fake "kkg" label? Hilarious. :lol

 

[Shogo Makishima]

"Something that can be taught cannot be blood related"

Yet scans showing Rotation and Air palm that don't logically need the byakugan to be learnt are tagged as Kekkei Genkai indicating they cannot be taught to non Hyuga but here you are still arguing blindly.

If you're referring to the Taijutsu movements only, then you cannot say Sharingan can copy Gentle fist as Gentle fist encompasses literally everything a Hyuga does. If Sharingan can copy that, then they can use all Hyuga techniques which we know is not possible.

Excuse me in regards to air plan and rotation when did i argue blindly that a non byakugan user can use said techniques? If I'm referring to taijutsu movements only then that is what I'm referring. Don't try to detour my argument to make it seem I was insinuating anything else that was never mentioned in my OP.

My argument only encompasses the gentle fist taijutsu style that can be taught outside of actually owning the byakugan. Unless of course you're saying Boruto is capable of rotation and airpalm despite not having the byakugan. No I find that hard to believe however he was taught gentle fist despite never owning the byakugan and that's what I find interesting

 

[Shogo Makishima]

Answer the question then. What I know is not exactly what you know.

Has anyone who's not a Hyūga by name or related to them by blood ever used the Gentle Fist Taijutsu style? It's a simple question.

It's really not worth answering and if you can't see that then you need help.

 

[Jinrou]

Excuse me in regards to air plan and rotation when did i argue blindly that a non byakugan user can use said techniques? If I'm referring to taijutsu movements only then that is what I'm referring. Don't try to detour my argument to make it seem I was insinuating anything else that was never mentioned in my OP.

My argument only encompasses the gentle fist taijutsu style that can be taught outside of actually owning the byakugan. Unless of course you're saying Boruto is capable of rotation and airpalm despite not having the byakugan. No I find that hard to believe

You are arguing that GF isn't a KKG when there are scans floating around of Hyuga techniques tagged KKG that logically don't require the byakugan flying around. You obviously aren't seeing those and that's why i said you are arguing blindly.

You can't say you meant it encompasses only the taijutsu style when your OP clearly reads Gentle fist.

Bold.. Now you're saying Byakugan is needed for Rotation and Air palm for a Hyuga member? :lol

 

[Shogo Makishima]

Things that are KKG can be taught, You have the ability to use It but you need to be taught how to use it/train yourself how to use it properly.
This is the same with every KKG, be it elemental or Dojutsu.

Uchiha aren't born with the ability to wield the full potential of their sharingan from birth, People aren't born with the ability to use their elemental KKG's at their full potential from birth, Same goes for the Hyuga with GF. They just train to perfect it and be taught said abilities that fall under said catagory. They aren't magically going to know everything about their KKG.

I guess There is a difference between learning advance kkg abilties like rotation and innate kkg abilties like byakugan and sharingan awakening.

However if the kkg byakugan is what is required of gentle fist taijutsu Boruto wouldn't have been taught it. Yes he's half Hyuuga but his mother being half Hyuuga doesn't mean he was guaranteed to unlock the byakugan or be capable of what you call a kkg

 

[MightGai]

Nope, These jutsu are also labeled at KKG.

Because they are part of the suite of techniques that "use" Byakugan (altough you don't really need it for these 2). Again, Vacuum Palm is a technique that expells compressed air to a target's vitals. If you say that part of the actual technique is to hit vitals, and uses the byakugan to pinpoint the vitals, then yeah, you can say its a KG, but in the end, it's just compressed air. Gai with Hirudora could already do something like that (in a massive scale while we're at it), and that's no KG whatsoever. Same for Kaiten: unless it's stated somewhere that you need Hyuuga blood or Byakugan to expel chakra from every tenketsu, it's just that. Again, Gai when he opened the 6th gate against Kisame underwater, he did something similar (by expelling chakra from his entire body to push away a lake-worth of water out of his path), and that's no KG either.