[Discussion] Shanks versus Rayleigh
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Id say Shanks mid diff at least vs the current Ray Ray. Thats still the Dark King right there tho.:leaf:
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Rayleigh was out of breath fighting Borsalino, that's all.
Shanks could demolish both of them U_U
Just by standing there he could so some damage XD
The reason i said current rayleigh = below admiral is due to kizaru.
I bet rayleigh is the one who taught shanks not roger. I mean look at em. they are very similar.
sword / pajamas / cape / that haki / scar / hairstyle maybe?
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You didn't get my point.When WB and Roger were considered as equal Marco is weaker than an Admiral despite of being the right hand man of a PK level pirate so you can't say that Ray is stronger than Shanks just because he was the first mate of PK.It is ok if you think Ray is stronger but that reason isn't a valid reason.Marco is not admiral level though that topic is irrelevant here as it has nothing to do with our argument since we are talking about Marco 20+Y ago.
We don't know who was WB's right hand man during Roger's era. Marco seemed too young to already be his right hand man at that point, so it's possible the right hand man from that era was actually stronger than the one from this era. I disagree with Marco being weaker than an admiral though. He was put in the same breath with other yonkous when talking about the possibilities to stop Teach(future yonkou) despite him possessing island level destructive capacities+DF negating black hole powers
There is nothing that suggests otherwise not even a small hint so that point holds no value.Marco was a part of WB's crew during the time of Roger's execution.Regardless of Marco's capabilities,using Roger as a referrence to say that Rayleigh is stronger than Shanks isn't a valid argument to began with.At that time they weren't talking about just Marco,it is Marco along with whole WB's crew and same goes for other Yonko.
Well it's battle crew versus battle crew, so obviously Marco won't fight alone just like the yonkou won't fight alone as well, but the fact Marco's name was put above shows he is as much the powerhouse as yonkou represent in their respective crews. Vista and Joz were already there as well and i doubt they were commanders. Don't you find Marco too young? I think he was just like Shanks in Roger's crew. Either way i agree the WB-right hand man argument isn't valid, but what about my argument? If current Rayleigh has a comparable conqueror haki to current Shanks, don't you think younger Rayleigh would be stronger?
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Shanks takes old rayleigh mid to high diff.
Prime rayleigh could probably take shanks mid to high diff.
Prime rayleigh could probably take shanks mid to high diff.
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first have you not seen how One Piece really f*cks old people? Sengoko, Garp, Whitebeared, and Rayleigh was weaken by it... You can just imagined how strong they were in their primes but right now nope.
That argument is't good enough but it is somehow acceptable but again if you think about it again Oda wasn't comparing the KH's of Shanks and Rayleigh.He concerned more about the gap b/w Rayleigh/Shanks and those fodder fisherman.Shanks might has a stronger version of KH or Rayleigh's KH might be better. Regardless of difference in Shanks and Rayleigh's KH, both of them are far above those fodders which is why both of them can KO them with KH alone.
For example: A normal Rasengan can kill a fodder and FRS can do the same.If I say that Rasengan or FRS can kill him that dosen't mean that Rasengan is compatable to FRS.The gap b/w FRS and Rasengan is irrelavent as what important here is whether both jutsu are strong enough to kill that fodder or not.Same logic can be applied to what Oda said about their KH.
IMO valid reasons that can be used to say that Ray is stronger are the hypes from Garp,Kizaru and Rayleigh.
Garp: Marines can't handel two legends at the same time.
Here Garp is comparing his with WB and he is indirectly implying that marines would lose the battle/suffer major damages if they were to fight Rayleigh and team WB at the same time.
Kizaru: I need certain preparations to capture you.
Rayleigh was alone and yet Kizaru said that he need certain preparations to fight him implying that it isn't an easy task to fight oldass Rayleigh even for someone of Kizaru caliber.
Rayleigh: While fighting Kizaru,Rayligh indirectly implied that he would have beat the crap out of Kizaru and help SH's if he's younger which means that Young Rayligh can beat an admiral level fighter without much difficulty.
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akimofnevis
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Come on, I myself am not sure who will win this but it would be a high diff battle either way , plus Rayliegh in his old age have enough strength to swim across oceans .