[Discussion] Shanks can see Future???

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Was checking the chapter where Shanks met WB.
If u noticed there were few sentences where Shanks predicted exactly whats gonna happen.
1) He predicted BB gonna take WBs position


2)He kinda knew Ace cant beat BB n asked WB to stop Ace

Shanks said Ace is strong but not ready for BB. That's kinda strange as Shanks never fought wit Ace n BB giving that scar to Shanks happened a long time ago.

So it seems like he can predict future.
 

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Could be he has Future sight like katakuri remember did see pudding crying in his future sight.

If shanks has better future sight he could even go further . Yes its possible he can forsee some of the events. Its interesting you brought these panels with katakuri having FS it kind of makes sense.
 

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If Shanks can foresee future events then he probably had seen a threat rising, that's why he fixed a meeting with Gorosei saying he wants to discuss about a certain pirate.

Could it be kid, BB or Luffy??? That will be interesting.
It could be very well be Luffy as he is destined to destroy FI. The meeting also starts with the current hot topic: Luffy causing trouble in NW n later Gorosei started discussing about MF events n they need a Cleansing(which could mean they want to get rid of remaining Ds).
It could be BB too as Shanks was always worried about BB.
 
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Being able to predict what might happen and to actually see what's going to happen, are two completely different things altogether. Essentially the premise of your thread makes it collapse on itself at the same time.

For someone who supposedly was able to foresee the future, Shanks kinda botched up. If the truly foresaw what was going to happen, his efforts in stopping it were rather sloppy. He only went to WB requesting him to call Ace back. Not only wasn't he able to foresee that that would lead to nothing, WB couldn't do anything to begin with as Ace decided on himself to track down BB while WB even warned him not do that as he had a very bad feeling about it. So Shanks' talk was pointless from the get-go, while WB actually shared similar sentiments, he was just covering for Ace.

Shanks also said at one point he was surprised at Ace's final act that led to his immediate death. Kind of weird if he saw all of this coming.

No, what you attribute to precognitive abilities, is something that can easily, and even better, be explained by Shanks simply being experienced, intelligent and having good instincts. It was strongly implied that it was BB who inflicted that wound on Shanks' face. Even if that happened a long time ago, I think Shanks even then had enough awareness to understand that something is suspicious about someone being capable of doing that, but having no fame, no bounty, nor any high standing in WB's crew. So if a person like that then suddenly makes a move after so many years, you know something is up and I'm pretty certain Shanks even alluded on this specifically at some point.

The fact that Shanks knew Ace was hunting BB, means he probably knew that he was hunting him because he killed a commander. On top of that Ace and Shanks met in the past. So even if they didn't fight, it's reasonable to think Shanks had enough information to estimate how powerful they are and to come to the conclusion that Ace hunting BB is something that could lead to something disastrous. Which is, as I said before, a sentiment WB also believed. Normally when someone would commit an act like what BB did, he would be punished severely, but WB wanted to let it go this time around.

Also Katakuri could see a few seconds into the future at best, which is quite differently from being able to see weeks or even months ahead.
 

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Being able to predict what might happen and to actually see what's going to happen, are two completely different things altogether. Essentially the premise of your thread makes it collapse on itself at the same time.

For someone who supposedly was able to foresee the future, Shanks kinda botched up. If the truly foresaw what was going to happen, his efforts in stopping it were rather sloppy. He only went to WB requesting him to call Ace back. Not only wasn't he able to foresee that that would lead to nothing, WB couldn't do anything to begin with as Ace decided on himself to track down BB while WB even warned him not do that as he had a very bad feeling about it. So Shanks' talk was pointless from the get-go, while WB actually shared similar sentiments, he was just covering for Ace.


Shanks also said at one point he was surprised at Ace's final act that led to his immediate death. Kind of weird if he saw all of this coming.

No, what you attribute to precognitive abilities, is something that can easily, and even better, be explained by Shanks simply being experienced, intelligent and having good instincts. It was strongly implied that it was BB who inflicted that wound on Shanks' face. Even if that happened a long time ago, I think Shanks even then had enough awareness to understand that something is suspicious about someone being capable of doing that, but having no fame, no bounty, nor any high standing in WB's crew. So if a person like that then suddenly makes a move after so many years, you know something is up and I'm pretty certain Shanks even alluded on this specifically at some point.

The fact that Shanks knew Ace was hunting BB, means he probably knew that he was hunting him because he killed a commander. On top of that Ace and Shanks met in the past. So even if they didn't fight, it's reasonable to think Shanks had enough information to estimate how powerful they are and to come to the conclusion that Ace hunting BB is something that could lead to something disastrous. Which is, as I said before, a sentiment WB also believed. Normally when someone would commit an act like what BB did, he would be punished severely, but WB wanted to let it go this time around.

Also Katakuri could see a few seconds into the future at best, which is quite differently from being able to see weeks or even months ahead.
What if he can can only see a part of future like:
Ace vs BB outcome,
WB's demise at MF by BB,
And how BB will grab WBs territory.

We know observation haki gives future sight and who knows Shanks can probably see future events or predict them like Shirley.
i know oda at that part of the story hadn't planned that much about haki but it will be cool to see if he incorporate that also in Shanks Ability considering the fact that he has no fancy titles other than hype n badass-ness lol.
 
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What if he can can only see a part of future like:
Ace vs BB outcome,
WB's demise at MF by BB,
And how BB will grab WBs territory.

We know observation haki gives future sight and who knows Shanks can probably see future events or predict them like Shirley.
i know oda at that part of the story hadn't planned that much about haki but it will be cool to see if he incorporate that also in Shanks Ability considering the fact that he has no fancy titles other than hype n badass-ness lol.
Whether he sees it partially or fully doesn't change anything about the fact that everything he did doesn't require precognitive abilities to be explained.

And if he would see it partially, that would make it even more unlikely as do you know how hard it is to interpret isolated, random images without context? This is something that already became clear with Dogtooth where he was already confused about seeing something that would happen a few seconds into the future.

We know that Observation Haki in very rare cases allows the user to see a few seconds into the future, but it's quite a big leap going from there to seeing weeks, months or even years ahead and doesn't really justify ignoring much more plausible and realistic possibilities.

From what we know about Madame Shirley, her powers are not rooted in Haki and all her predictions came into being (except one so far). What's more she needs an orb for it and as I said before, if Shanks really had powers like these, his actions would be even more weirder than they already are.
 

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Whether he sees it partially or fully doesn't change anything about the fact that everything he did doesn't require precognitive abilities to be explained.

And if he would see it partially, that would make it even more unlikely as do you know how hard it is to interpret isolated, random images without context? This is something that already became clear with Dogtooth where he was already confused about seeing something that would happen a few seconds into the future.

We know that Observation Haki in very rare cases allows the user to see a few seconds into the future, but it's quite a big leap going from there to seeing weeks, months or even years ahead and doesn't really justify ignoring much more plausible and realistic possibilities.

From what we know about Madame Shirley, her powers are not rooted in Haki and all her predictions came into being (except one so far). What's more she needs an orb for it and as I said before, if Shanks really had powers like these, his actions would be even more weirder than they already are.
But the point is whatever he said did happened.

BB could have gone for Shanks, BM or Kaido for Yonko position but he choose WB only.

Again lots of guys tried to stop Ace but dont u find strange that another Yonko has to set up a meeting with WB just to say Stop Ace as i know BB more than you.
He clearly said Ace wasn't ready for BB even tho Ace was a commander at that time. This suggest that Shanks had some sort of future sight which made him to meet WB.

Also as u said certain random images are hard to decipher but what if he sees:
BB standing over Ace's body or WBs body.
That could only mean BB defeated them by some way. Which could be the possible explanation where Shanks said he will get your seat by his own will(something of that sort).
We saw katakuri's haki which showed few seconds of future.
Maybe a Yonkos having Observation haki could yield a better result n he could probably see glimpse of future events.
This could also be one of the reason why he met with Gorosei as he might have seen something really bad n needed Gorosei's help to stop it.
 

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Only Sanji and Tony can see into the future for more than 10 seconds, everyone else is limited to 10 secs only.
In all seriousness , if you could see further into the future the better the coo haki than out of all people. I'd expect kizaru to be able to see the furthest into the future
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But the point is whatever he said did happened.

BB could have gone for Shanks, BM or Kaido for Yonko position but he choose WB only.

Again lots of guys tried to stop Ace but dont u find strange that another Yonko has to set up a meeting with WB just to say Stop Ace as i know BB more than you.
He clearly said Ace wasn't ready for BB even tho Ace was a commander at that time. This suggest that Shanks had some sort of future sight which made him to meet WB.

Also as u said certain random images are hard to decipher but what if he sees:
BB standing over Ace's body or WBs body.
That could only mean BB defeated them by some way. Which could be the possible explanation where Shanks said he will get your seat by his own will(something of that sort).
We saw katakuri's haki which showed few seconds of future.
Maybe a Yonkos having Observation haki could yield a better result n he could probably see glimpse of future events.
This could also be one of the reason why he met with Gorosei as he might have seen something really bad n needed Gorosei's help to stop it.
In all seriousness, ace being the pirate King's son, he should've grown stronger in his fight ayainst black beard and won like Luffy did with katakuri. The gap between Luffy and katakuri was bigger too
 

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I can see how Kizaru could end up having the best version of the ability. He's really fast, and at the same time, he's a really laid back dude which makes him a prime candidate to have it in the future or even right now.
As for Luffy defeating Katakuri, I don't think Luffy was meant to defeat Katakuri or even fight him in the first place. Katakuri is twice the age of Luffy and has twice the experience whether personal or battle-related; also, Katakuri was awakened and Luffy wasn't. It's gonna be a long road before Luffy arrives at the same level as Katakuri, and don't you forget - Katakuri is a donut monster.
 
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But the point is whatever he said did happened.

BB could have gone for Shanks, BM or Kaido for Yonko position but he choose WB only.

Again lots of guys tried to stop Ace but dont u find strange that another Yonko has to set up a meeting with WB just to say Stop Ace as i know BB more than you.
He clearly said Ace wasn't ready for BB even tho Ace was a commander at that time. This suggest that Shanks had some sort of future sight which made him to meet WB.

Also as u said certain random images are hard to decipher but what if he sees:
BB standing over Ace's body or WBs body.
That could only mean BB defeated them by some way. Which could be the possible explanation where Shanks said he will get your seat by his own will(something of that sort).
We saw katakuri's haki which showed few seconds of future.
Maybe a Yonkos having Observation haki could yield a better result n he could probably see glimpse of future events.
This could also be one of the reason why he met with Gorosei as he might have seen something really bad n needed Gorosei's help to stop it.
Again nothing what Shanks said or did required any kind of future-sight ability. There are countless of characters that anticipated/predicted/expected WB to try to save Ace. Are all of them psychic? No as you didn't need such powers to come to that conclusion. Similarly Shanks had enough experience and intelligence to understand the situation and possibly anticipate what might be coming their way. That he said WB means nothing as that's just you being very subjective in your interpretation as that can be easily interpreted in a multitude of ways, none of which need you to be able to see into the future.

And no there is nothing strange about it as it makes all the sense in the world. If shanks would try to stop Ace on his own, do you even know what that would signify? There's zero reason for Ace to listen to Shanks. So one Yonkou trying to hinder the subordinate of another one is a very slippery slope, even more so when he would try to hinder him physically. Don't forget that Ace's action were actually normal as BB murdered a fellow crew member, which is breaking the one iron clad rule on WB's ship. The fact that BB was a subordinate of Ace, makes it logical he would be the one to punish him.

So it makes sense that Shanks would go to WB himself. I also already said that WB actually shared Shanks' sentiment as Ace left on his own while WB wanted to let it go this time around because he had a bad feeling. But he and the rest of the WB Pirates took Ace into protection as that's not something you're going to spit out to what is still a rivaling crew.

The relationship between BB and WB and BB and Shanks is not the same either. So that Shanks looked differently at him than WB, isn't weird either. That's how it works in the real world too.

And again Shanks fought BB and he even admitted he wasn't careless and BB killed another commander, that's what all of this started in the first place. So that Shanks believed that Ace probably isn't going to waltz over BB, is a rational deduction that doesn't require even remotely precognitive abilities. At this point I'm just repeating myself endlessly.

You also seem to forget you already know what happened. But for Shanks just seeing random future images, it's freaking hard to put it into perspective, no matter what they are and it remains a fact he didn't need them to do what he did.

I'm going to repeat myself once more, but it's quite easy to show what is wrong with everything you said: if you actually would follow your reasoning, you would create a convoluted and irrational mess that makes no sense on any level. You didn't solve nor explain anything, it would make all of Shanks's actions nonsensical and utterly pointless. Instead of going forward, you're going backwards.

Also even for Yonkou it's quite a big leap to go from a few seconds to months and years. Trying this to connect as why Shanks is at Mariejoise, is pure conjecture as we have no information whatsoever about that.
 
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