Serious speculation regarding Genjutsu And Edo Tensei

[Animegoin]

I was reading the other IT thread about the Edo Tensei not being effected by the World’s Most Powerful Genjutsu, the Infinite Tsukuyomi And I have to admit, there are some arguments worth looking into here because it’s bullshit if you really think about it.

First thing we need to realize is that Infinite Tsukuyomi isn’t just the Genjutsu, it’s the entire process of obtaining chakra while the populace is under the Genjutsu via the Divine tree:

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Now having said that, the Edo Tensei should’ve fallen victim to the Infinite Tsukuyomi genjutsu at the very least, right? I’ll elaborate on this later but for now, let me show you some examples of Edo Tensei being susceptible to genjutsu.

-The Edo Tensei weren’t effected by the Infinite Tskuyoumi BUT Edo Tensei Itachi was effected by Kotoamatsukami cast by Shisui’s eye.

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-Edo Itachi also fell victim to Kabuto’s genjutsu;

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-Sasuke’s genjutsu was also able to effect Itachi; It helped free Itachi from Kabuto’s genjutsu:

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So the world’s most powerful genjutsu that was cast by a Sage of 6 Paths equipped with dual Rinnegan and the KKM Rinnegan didn’t effect the Edo Tensei, despite Itachi being effected by a KKG sharingan technique? Not likely.

We can only draw three conclusions from this and one of these may be correct but decide what you will:

1.) The same way the Divine tree’s chakra absorption tantrum didn’t screw with the Edo Tensei, the IT genjutsu avoids them.

2.) The Infinite Tskuyoumi genjutsu coupled with the Divine: Deep Forest Emergence has one criteria that must be met; A.) One must be alive presently in order to be turned into Zetsus -which Hagoromo said were LIVING slaves for Kaguya. Edo Tensei don’t fit that criteria. It may be programmed to pick up beings suitable for transformation; Even if they’re animals.

3.) The caster of IT can decide whom is effected and knowing Madara, he didn’t give a single **** for the Edo Tensei. We saw how he allowed Minato, Tobirama And Hashirama continue to exist. We also know with absolute certainty that Sasuke’s Rinnegan Susano’o prevented Sakura, Kakashi And Naruto from falling victim to IT.

Let me know what you guys think.

 

[GetsugaTenshou]

2.) The Infinite Tskuyoumi genjutsu coupled with the Divine: Deep Forest Emergence has one criteria that must be met; A.) One must be alive presently in order to be turned into Zetsus -which Hagoromo said were LIVING slaves for Kaguya. Edo Tensei don’t fit that criteria. It may be programmed to pick up beings suitable for transformation.

Most plausible reason

 

[Animegoin]

Most plausible reason

I think that one’s more logical than the others also.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

That's only 2 explanations. The first isn't really one. Easily 2.

 

[Animegoin]

That's only 2 explanations. The first isn't really one. Easily 2.

No there’s three, there’s no need to go further in-depth in the first explanation because it says it all there but if you want me to, I could try.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

No there’s three, there’s no need to go further in-depth in the first explanation because it says it all there but if you want me to, I could try.

You could just slip 2 or 3's explanation into why the vines didn't target Edos though. There's a clear disparity in the depth of the explanations. I'm not even sure how you could go further without saying "plot" if we rule out 2 and 3.

 

[Animegoin]

You could just slip 2 or 3's explanation into why the vines didn't target Edos though. There's a clear disparity in the depth of the explanations. I'm not even sure how you could go further without saying "plot" if we rule out 2 and 3.

True but I’ll explain; When Obito caused the Juubi to switch to “chakra retrieval,” the Divine Tree targeted both Naruto and Edo Minato’s Kyuubi chakra avatars:

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Despite that happening, Naruto was the only one that got snatched -As we can see Minato being ignored:

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We can also see the Edo Tensei unbothered by the Divine tree here, even to the point where they made a rescue while pursuing the chakra vines.

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There’s also the case of Edo Madara and Edo Hashirama bouncing back and forth to maintain their balance but the Chakra vines aren’t attempting to coil them, despite Hashirama’s enormous chakra reserves.

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The vines were following their chakra signatures however, but it didn’t put the effort into capturing them like it did the other other helpless bastards, though.

So to summarize, the Divine Tree’s Chakra retrieval is more aggressive variant of IT minus the genjutsu and the forming into White Zetsu BUT they are similar. They both avoided the Edo Tensei to an extent and only went after those that were living.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

True but I’ll explain; When Obito caused the Juubi to switch to “chakra retrieval,” the Divine Tree targeted both Naruto and Edo Minato’s Kyuubi chakra avatars:

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Despite that happening, Naruto was the only one that got snatched -As we can see Minato being ignored:

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We can also see the Edo Tensei unbothered by the Divine tree here, even to the point where they made a rescue while pursuing the chakra vines.

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There’s also the case of Edo Madara and Edo Hashirama bouncing back and forth to maintain their balance but the Chakra vines aren’t attempting to coil them, despite Hashirama’s enormous chakra reserves.

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The vines were following their chakra signatures however, but it didn’t put the effort into capturing them like it did the other other helpless bastards, though.

So to summarize, the Divine Tree’s Chakra retrieval is more aggressive variant of IT minus the genjutsu and the forming into White Zetsu BUT they are similar. They both avoided the Edo Tensei to an extent and only went after those that were living.

Minato's such a bullshitter. "Sorry my chakra's been drained by that last Flying Raijin and these vines!" he said while still cloaked... I don't think Flying Thunder God takes that much chakra.

 

[Animegoin]

Minato's such a bullshitter. "Sorry my chakra's been drained by that last Flying Raijin and these vines!" he said while still cloaked... I don't think Flying Thunder God takes that much chakra.

Lmfao right? I think Tobirama’s uses a lot more chakra than Minato’s but Minato was definitely on some bs in that scenario.

 

[salamander uchiha]

It has always bugged me, one would assume Edo can't be assimilated since they're not living beings and come from another world(pure world). And or it was bad writing on kishi's part to exclude them

 

[Animegoin]

It has always bugged me, one would assume Edo can't be assimilated since they're not living beings and come from another world(pure world). And or it was bad writing on kishi's part to exclude them

What do you mean by that?

 

[salamander uchiha]

What do you mean by that?

They cant be turned into Zetsu

 

[Ansatsuken]

2.) The Infinite Tskuyoumi genjutsu coupled with the Divine: Deep Forest Emergence has one criteria that must be met; A.) One must be alive presently in order to be turned into Zetsus -which Hagoromo said were LIVING slaves for Kaguya. Edo Tensei don’t fit that criteria. It may be programmed to pick up beings suitable for transformation; Even if they’re animals.

 

[Animegoin]

They cant be turned into Zetsu

Ohh, okay. Well I have a theory but it’s just that; The Edo Hokage were all created using Zetsus as sacrifices. Since they’ve already undergone the transformation somewhat, maybe that’s why they can’t become Zetsu? Idk but I do wish Kishi explained it though.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Ohh, okay. Well I have a theory but it’s just that; The Edo Hokage were all created using Zetsus as sacrifices. Since they’ve already undergone the transformation somewhat, maybe that’s why they can’t become Zetsu? Idk but I do wish Kishi explained it though.

That's not entirely true the Zetsu were the sacrifices, the Edo are actually masses of Ash and they regenerate using it. There's no part of Zetsu that remains otherwise Tobirama would've been able to resist Orochimaru who was a living Zetsu.

You're right Kishi should've explained it better that you way you wouldn't have Naruturds and their sub standard comprehension skills claiming immunity from IT for Noodles.

 

[Animegoin]

That's not entirely true the Zetsu were the sacrifices, the Edo are actually masses of Ash and they regenerate using it. There's no part of Zetsu that remains otherwise Tobirama would've been able to resist Orochimaru who was a living Zetsu.

You're right Kishi should've explained it better that you way you wouldn't have Naruturds and their sub standard comprehension skills claiming immunity from IT for Noodles.

Facts

 

[Urda]

They're dead. This scan answer the question:

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[super michael]

That's not entirely true the Zetsu were the sacrifices, the Edo are actually masses of Ash and they regenerate using it. There's no part of Zetsu that remains otherwise Tobirama would've been able to resist Orochimaru who was a living Zetsu.

You're right Kishi should've explained it better that you way you wouldn't have Naruturds and their sub standard comprehension skills claiming immunity from IT for Noodles.

Orochimaru is using a Zetsu body, since he did the ritual on Zetsu body, yet he got caught in IT.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Orochimaru is using a Zetsu body, since he did the ritual on Zetsu body, yet he got caught in IT.

You should go over my post the Zetsu used for an Edo no longer exist as living matter. In other words they were sacrificed whereas orochimaru took over a living zetsu body for himself there's a clear difference.

 

[Uverdore9]

Edo = undead.