Series power scale ranking.

[KingHashirama]

What are shinigamis tho? They are in essence dead spirits/people which dbz verse has. And I can make the argument that ki=reitsu in the a principle sense, they are just called different things in diff verses.

And i repeat myself, Dbz does not have reitsu hence they cannot sense shinigami of bleach.

no ki is different. Don't be one of those people who without a go calling things like ki = chakra, ki = haki... no all things are different.

all of the dead can see shinigamis. the only power source in bleach is reitsu so likely only humans with reistu can see them but the truth is that and any SPIRIT can see them

hmmm there is no such thing "reitsu".. in dbz-verse.... rofl. Why must dbz be above bleach? Because they can blow planets? rofl.

All it takes is 1 fodder shinigami to solo Naruto-verse..... thats how op bleach-verse is if they have the rules applied.

Just like genjutsu doesn't work outside of naruto-verse.

 

[Jiraiyathesannin]

1 problem why is dbz above bleach?

You do know that no character in dragonballz can see shinigami of bleach. And they can easily have their souls taken away. On top of that do not possess the reitsu need to beat them.

Yes Dbz people can blow up planets.. but why is that relevant when they can be solo'd with ease?

Dbz character dies, goes to spirit realm, kills them, gets resurrected

 

[ShiroT]

And i repeat myself, Dbz does not have reitsu hence they cannot sense shinigami of bleach.

no ki is different. Don't be one of those people who without a go calling things like ki = chakra, ki = haki... no all things are different.

no any spirit can see shinigamis

 

[ugh]

And i repeat myself, Dbz does not have reitsu hence they cannot sense shinigami of bleach.

no ki is different. Don't be one of those people who without a go calling things like ki = chakra, ki = haki... no all things are different.

Huehueuhe, Kid buu blows up the entire planet and then regenerates GG Bleach guys
I'm a Bleach fan btw, but saying that Bleach Power Scaling > Dragon Ball Z Power Scaling is just absurd...

 

[KingHashirama]

Dbz character dies, goes to spirit realm, kills them, gets resurrected

Good for them. They are not made from reitsu.

Bleach souls are made from reitsu. Both universes have different mechanics. If you want to give DBZ-verse Reitsu.. why not give bleach verse Ki? you know so shinigami can launch ki blasts also.....

Huehueuhe, Kid buu blows up the entire planet and then regenerates GG Bleach guys
I'm a Bleach fan btw, but saying that Bleach Power Scaling > Dragon Ball Z Power Scaling is just absurd...

So which part of my argument did you counter? How can dbz people event fight something they can see? Destroy a planet with millions living on it? nice logic.....

Shinigami = GODS.

Dbz = MORTALS..

what you are talking about is destruction level.. which dbz is higher in.. however when it comes to power.. A fodder in bleach-verse is a god compared to Naruto-verse

 

[Kise]

And i repeat myself, Dbz does not have reitsu hence they cannot sense shinigami of bleach.

no ki is different. Don't be one of those people who without a go calling things like ki = chakra, ki = haki... no all things are different.

What is Ki? What is reitsu?

I can guarantee you that whatever you define either they will sound almost the same.

Also the fact that we're having this discussion proves that Bleach series has no other defense than the "can't see shingami" cop out that so many Bleach fans use, it's a matter principle to "turn off" the can't see the shingami aspect when discussing inter series fight (even tho I think dbz chars can see shinigamis), and this also goes for other series such as One piece with their logia intangibility.

 

[CloyEscapade]

That are not shinigami, and do not require reitsu to be seen or sensed.



Can only be sensed by reitsu..... why are you speculating further? lol.... Bleach-verse can solo most verses pretty much any day of the week.

Only reason why bleach verse is usually put below dbz and stuff is, because people take away the whole reitsu thing, which is the same as taking away Ki and chakra.

This is some random loophole... Malaria destroys everybody so Mosquitos mut be solo kings... Dumb argument

 

[KingHashirama]

Well i sure am glad there aren't Naruto fanboys spouting "genjutsu solos". rofl.

no any spirit can see shinigamis

Only those who possess reitsu.

Just stop.... Bleach people do not have Ki..... Dbz people do no have reitsu..... Naruto-verse does not have haki..... One piece-verse does not have chakra......

You sound like one of those fans who try to justify genjutsu works outside Naruto.... no.

What is Ki? What is reitsu?

I can guarantee you that whatever you define either they will sound almost the same.

Also the fact that we're having this discussion proves that Bleach series has no other defense than the "can't see shingami" cop out that so many Bleach fans use, it's a matter principle to "turn off" the can't see the shingami aspect when discussing inter series fight (even tho I think dbz chars can see shinigamis), and this also goes for other series such as One piece with their logia intangibility.

-sigh-. Dude why are you making this a big deal? so what if Dbz ain't gods?

Yea just like genjutsu = utterly useless outside of Naruto-verse.

Also, no logia do possess a soul rofl.

When you say "turn off" you are saying make gods mortals.... that is what you call underrating the verse.

 

[Kise]

-sigh-. Dude why are you making this a big deal? so what if Dbz ain't gods?

Yea just like genjutsu = utterly useless outside of Naruto-verse.

Also, no logia do possess a soul rofl.

When you say "turn off" you are saying make gods mortals.... that is what you call underrating the verse.

Son where did I say dbz verse are gods? Dbz characters lose to plenty of series out there, but Bleach just isn't one of them.

I am disregarding the last two things you said as they have nothing to do with the topic nor did I mention that. So i kindly ask you too go back to my initial question which you dodged

Define Ki, define Reitsu?

What is Ki? What is reitsu?

I can guarantee you that whatever you define either they will sound almost the same.

 

[ShiroT]

Well i sure am glad there aren't Naruto fanboys spouting "genjutsu solos". rofl.




Only those who possess reitsu.

Just stop.... Bleach people do not have Ki..... Dbz people do no have reitsu..... Naruto-verse does not have haki..... One piece-verse does not have chakra......

You sound like one of those fans who try to justify genjutsu works outside Naruto.... no.



-sigh-. Dude why are you making this a big deal? so what if Dbz ain't gods?

Yea just like genjutsu = utterly useless outside of Naruto-verse.

Also, no logia do possess a soul rofl.

When you say "turn off" you are saying make gods mortals.... that is what you call underrating the verse.

luffy doesnt need chakra to hurt naruto nor does he need ki to hurt goku. goku needs neither of the two to hurt naruto or luffy.

bleach stated and showed that the dead can see shinigami and most of the z fighters if not all are dead. not to mention they can already see the dead.

you can argue it any way you want but they can see bleach characters because as shown by bleach, the dead can see shinigamis and everybody in dbz can see the dead. not to mention some of them are dead. that argument that "you need reitsu to fight someone with reitsu" or "you need chakra to fight someone with chakra" it stupid and only used by those desperate to show why one character wouldnt get destroyed by another

no where did i say genjutsu works outside narutoverse

why do you keep trying to change the subject? cant get around the fact that the DEAD can see shinigami? post a scan from bleach that says otherwise

 

[shimisama]

False, Bleach characters can't be sensed by anything except reitsu. Dbz characters do not possess reitsu.

Being invisible =/= being dead.

Shinigami = dead people...

All it takes for them to take your soul is a small touch.

Because if they sense the Power Goku e.g. would be so fast no shinigami if invisible or not would ever touch him. Teleport to the Space and blow up the whole Planet, Powerlevel is not about beeing more technical (i guess naruto is the best proov of that, **** all techniques give them power ups!) its about Power imo.

Thats why Naruto is b4 Bleach, they need shitloads of time to destroy such a little city like seireitei. Imagine a Bijuudama. It would blow up everything.

Even tho i agree if we would take this by "who would be killing who if they dont knew about each other" the shinigami just would pass them and killed them b4 they would get whats up.

 

[KingHashirama]

luffy doesnt need chakra to hurt naruto nor does he need ki to hurt goku. goku needs neither of the two to hurt naruto or luffy.

bleach stated and showed that the dead can see shinigami and most of the z fighters if not all are dead. not to mention they can already see the dead.

you can argue it any way you want but they can see bleach characters because as shown by bleach, the dead can see shinigamis and everybody in dbz can see the dead. not to mention some of them are dead. that argument that "you need reitsu to fight someone with reitsu" or "you need chakra to fight someone with chakra" it stupid and only used by those desperate to show why one character wouldnt get destroyed by another

Because it is not required for the need of chakra/ki required for the characters to be hurt. Chakra/ki/haki are simply forces in those -verses that allow people to use physical attacks.

And also, reitsu doesn't exist in dbz-verse... why are you not understanding this? Every dead person in bleach has reitsu.. hence they can see shinigami and so on.. its not the same in dbz-verse. And it can't be the same just because you want to compare them.

Genjutsu = utterly useless outside Naruto-verse... other people do not have chakra.

Because if they sense the Power Goku e.g. would be so fast no shinigami if invisible or not would ever touch him. Teleport to the Space and blow up the whole Planet, Powerlevel is not about beeing more technical (i guess naruto is the best proov of that, **** all techniques give them power ups!) its about Power imo.

Thats why Naruto is b4 Bleach, they need shitloads of time to destroy such a little city like seireitei. Imagine a Bijuudama. It would blow up everything.

Even tho i agree if we would take this by "who would be killing who if they dont knew about each other" the shinigami just would pass them and killed them b4 they would get whats up.

No sir. It is not about what they can sense.. it is about the only way to see a shinigami..... And how would goku know a shinigami is next to him?

Also, this is a comaprison between the powers of the series.. not a VS between the series.

I'm simply letting people know that only those who possess reitsu can sense shinigami or see them.

 

[Kise]

F this topic of if Dbz characters could see shinigami, i'll give you a quick scenario of how frieza stomps this verse without seeing a "shinigami".

Frieza feels little mosquito bite (zanpakto/cero attacks) that he can't see. Frieza then gets annoyed and nukes or hell even destroy the planet, ending this little slide show.

GG

 

[KingHashirama]

F this topic of if Dbz characters could see shinigami, i'll give you a quick scenario of how frieza stomps this verse.

Frieza feels little mosquito bite (zanpakto/cero attacks) that he can't see or sense. Frieza then gets annoyed and nukes or hell even destroy the planet, ending this little slide show.

GG

Did i disagree with that? . However, shall i remind you that the only way to kill a shinigami is also with reitsu alone.

 

[ShiroT]

Because it is not required for the need of chakra/ki required for the characters to be hurt. Chakra/ki/haki are simply forces in those -verses that allow people to use physical attacks.

And also, reitsu doesn't exist in dbz-verse... why are you not understanding this? Every dead person in bleach has reitsu.. hence they can see shinigami and so on.. its not the same in dbz-verse. And it can't be the same just because you want to compare them.

Genjutsu = utterly useless outside Naruto-verse... other people do not have chakra.


No sir. It is not about what they can sense.. it is about the only way to see a shinigami..... And how would goku know a shinigami is next to him?

Also, this is a comaprison between the powers of the series.. not a VS between the series.

I'm simply letting people know that only those who possess reitsu can sense shinigami or see them.

i never said genjutsu works outside of naruto verse. you turned this into a vs by mentioning that bleach would kill any dbz character when you just said there power scaling arent equal. dude you had no reason to say that other then to start a vs unless you just not that smart.

actually reiryoku allows a person to be spiritually aware and any character who can see ghost by bleach definition would have it. if dbz characters were placed in the bleach verse to vs then they would be the definition of reiryoku have it since they are spiritually aware. if you dont want a vs you shouldnt have said that

you can fight that they operate on different energy but the fact remains that dbz characters are spiritually aware and if put inside the bleachverse they would see shinigamis

 

[ugh]

-_____- according to your argument, everyone would lose to Naruto-verse, because if you do not have chakra, you die. Even fodders have a somewhat small amount of chakra in them ._.

Ichigo has no Chakra, therefor Sakura can kill him? wtf dude, you have to make Ki=Chakra=Reitsu etc. in these arguments -_-

 

[Kise]

Did i disagree with that? . However, shall i remind you that the only way to kill a shinigami is also with reitsu alone.

Lol that wasn't even directly directed at you since you skipped out on my question. In either case there is a reason why Gremmy opened up a window to space when facing Zaraki, just sayin.....

 

[ShiroT]

-_____- according to your argument, everyone would lose to Naruto-verse, because if you do not have chakra, you die. Even fodders have a somewhat small amount of chakra in them ._.

Ichigo has no Chakra, therefor Sakura can kill him? wtf dude, you have to make Ki=Chakra=Reitsu etc. in these arguments -_-

exactly lol thats like saying goku doesnt have chakra so he cant hurt kakashi

 

[RedRobin]

exactly lol thats like saying goku doesnt have chakra so he cant hurt kakashi

Psshhh Kamui GG.

 

[Dark Link]

1 problem why is dbz above bleach?

You do know that no character in dragonballz can see shinigami of bleach. And they can easily have their souls taken away. On top of that do not possess the reitsu need to beat them.

Yes Dbz people can blow up planets.. but why is that relevant when they can be solo'd with ease?

Narutoverse can see them because chakra=spiritual/physical energy.