Sensing Amaterasu does not save FTG users

[lanakui8]

Ei reacted to amaterasu after it was fired, but before it made contact with him, and heʻs not even a sensor.

FTG users make Ei look like heʻs moving in slow motion and have the reactions to boot, Tobirama/Minato > amaterasu.

 

[AlphaScythian]

He teleported out of Obito's chains, they were clearly touching him. He teleported with the omyoudon because he wasn't aware of it and Obito placed where his hand was supposed to be

I dont even know what chains were supposed to do to minato confine him? It's expected for him to teleport from chains U_U

You're making stuff up and the manga clearly shows differently.

You're reading it wrong.

If Amaterasu was instantaneous Aye wouldn't have been able to dodge it.

I was instantaneous, it wasnt spawn on Ay cuz bad vision thus giving him space and time to react while it would hit him.

The manga showed that it was beginning to form on Aye's location, but before it could finish, Aye moved out of the way at high speed.

We would need side view to confirm your theory while i have solid manga scan that proves lack of focus from sasuke.

Game over man, gg, /thread.

You wish, even juugo reacted to Ay and put up a guard, minato too reacted but V1 Ay. Minato's reactions are on juugo level U_U

Considering that Sasuke, someone who has only decent speed, constantly dodge Itachi's Amaterasu with just the curse mark transformation shows that this thread is wrong. Anyone with speed and reaction time can dodge Amaterasu. Moving on.

Sasuke dodges the eye sight not spawned amaterasu. U_U

For those to claim Minato reactions > Ay's

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[BlazeRelease]

I dont even know what chains were supposed to do to minato confine him? It's expected for him to teleport from chains U_U
You're reading it wrong.
I was instantaneous, it wasnt spawn on Ay cuz bad vision thus giving him space and time to react while it would hit him. We would need side view to confirm your theory while i have solid manga scan that proves lack of focus from sasuke.
You wish, even juugo reacted to Ay and put up a guard, minato too reacted but V1 Ay. Minato's reactions are on juugo level U_U
Sasuke dodges the eye sight not spawned amaterasu. U_U

For those to claim Minato reactions > Ay's

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100% legit.

Reflexes minato=juugo

 

[Gold Lightning]

I never said they didn't touch his body genius. I said they were confined, meaning he was preventing them from spreading, so as not to hurt naruto until the attack was finished.

And of I'm aware that rasengan levitates slightly above your hand but there is no way that the way that flame attack was angled and flaring around that it didn't touch narutos hand at least once.

And it's not bs to think he can confine his form like that because he has even made a handheld enton blade before that didn't burn his hand. Obviously he can control whether or not it can burn something.

He didn't confine jack, you're just speculating. Where does it say that Sasuke was confining the flames? Stop making things up, get proof or gtfo.

The flames hit Minatos body, end of. Minato escaped from the flames using FTG...you have nothing to say against this.

Sasuke can't control whether or not his flames can burn something, that's retarded. He is able to put out his flames and he can touch the flames because it's his jutsu.

And btw dumbass, that's v1 Ay, not v2. Minato countered Ay's top speed.

 

[Lightbringer]

I was instantaneous, it wasnt spawn on Ay cuz bad vision thus giving him space and time to react while it would hit him.

Owned

lol that's the biggest bullshit I've read so far.

Not only is that not true, but that makes no sense.

Firstly, Sasuke was in peak condition when he entered the fight. He wasn't stressed out yet from using the MS. His vision was solid

Secondly, Itachi was going blind and still managed to cast it on Sasuke's location.

Thirdly, Amaterasu casts on what is in your line of sight. After Aye dodged it, it hit the samurai behind him....that means both he and Aye were in his line of sight.

And finally, even if you have poor vision, you can't focus on nothingness. There is no possible way for him to cast Amaterasu a few inches away from Aye because even if he has blurred vision, he still can see Aye's location.



This just demolished your theory.

Owned.

 

[xxSAGExx]

What, you mean teleport without taking the flames with him?
No, because he specifically noted things he's touching are teleported with him, like the onmyoudon was in the recent anime episode.

He can choose what he takes with him you know. Why do you think Minato chose to FTG Naruto and Sasuke but didn't take Juubito? Naruto connected Sasuke, Minato, and himself with his chakra arms and Juubito was holding Naruto and Sasuke. If Minato couldn't take Juubito then that means he couldn't take Sasuke since he wasn't touch neither one of them in any way but Naruto was in some form (either grabbing Sasuke or being held on too). That's also why he didn't take Obito with him when he FTG from his grasp as he was trying to Kamui Minato.

So if Amaterasu was to hit him he could FTG himself or the flames else where but I don't see him being hit when he has better reaction than A who dodged Amaterasu which was said to ignite on sight of the target.

 

[BlazeRelease]

He didn't confine jack, you're just speculating. Where does it say that Sasuke was confining the flames? Stop making things up, get proof or gtfo.

The flames hit Minatos body, end of. Minato escaped from the flames using FTG...you have nothing to say against this.

Sasuke can't control whether or not his flames can burn something, that's retarded. He is able to put out his flames and he can touch the flames because it's his jutsu.

And btw dumbass, that's v1 Ay, not v2. Minato countered Ay's top speed.

Obviously sasuke can make the flames not burn things if he can hold them stupid ass.

And he obviously confined them into a specific shape using chakra control which ALL JUTUS CAN DO

I guess kishi has to say "sasuke manipulated the flames!" For your ignorant ass to be able to comprehend that.

 

[BlazeRelease]

He can choose what he takes with him you know. Why do you think Minato chose to FTG Naruto and Sasuke but didn't take Juubito? Naruto connected Sasuke, Minato, and himself with his chakra arms and Juubito was holding Naruto and Sasuke. If Minato couldn't take Juubito then that means he couldn't take Sasuke since he wasn't touch neither one of them in any way but Naruto was in some form (either grabbing Sasuke or being held on too). That's also why he didn't take Obito with him when he FTG from his grasp as he was trying to Kamui Minato.

So if Amaterasu was to hit him he could FTG himself or the flames else where but I don't see him being hit when he has better reaction than A who dodged Amaterasu which was said to ignite on sight of the target.

I'm aware of that now, I realized that when someone else mentioned masked mans chains on minato.

I do think ftg can dodge Amaterasu, but not multiple releases as the ones after the first can not be predicted if the chakra is already there ready to use.
They spawn on target, so you have to move out of the way before it's released.

 

[AlphaScythian]

lol that's the biggest bullshit I've read so far.

Not only is that not true, but that makes no sense.

Firstly, Sasuke was in peak condition when he entered the fight. He wasn't stressed out yet from using the MS. His vision was solid

Secondly, Itachi was going blind and still managed to cast it on Sasuke's location.

Thirdly, Amaterasu casts on what is in your line of sight. After Aye dodged it, it hit the samurai behind him....that means both he and Aye were in his line of sight.

And finally, even if you have poor vision, you can't focus on nothingness. There is no possible way for him to cast Amaterasu a few inches away from Aye because even if he has blurred vision, he still can see Aye's location.



This just demolished your theory.

Owned.

You're ignorant moron.


Amaterasu spawns at the focal point, undeniable, irrefutable, not debatable fact!!!!!!!!! Loser

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If there is no target aside air it then flies forward until finds some shit to burn. Dimwit

Sasuke was at top condition? It doesnt matter he wasnt even fighting when he failed to grab glass cup. Failbot

Itachi was spraying amaterasu all over. Retard

No one said of blurred vision anything, I didnt state his sight to be that bad, he still saw the cup but failed to grab it.
It indicates that his focal point doesnt match real distance.

 

[Lightbringer]

You're ignorant moron.


Amaterasu spawns at the focal point, undeniable, irrefutable, not debatable fact!!!!!!!!! Loser

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If there is no target aside air it then flies forward until finds some shit to burn. Dimwit

Sasuke was at top condition? It doesnt matter he wasnt even fighting when he failed to grab glass cup. Failbot

Itachi was spraying amaterasu all over. Retard

No one said of blurred vision anything, I didnt state his sight to be that bad, he still saw the cup but failed to grab it.
It indicates that his focal point doesnt match real distance.

Nope....how about you reread the manga instead of throwing out dumbass assumptions.

Itachi was hitting the ground with his Amaterasu. He still able cast Amaterasu at a great distance and see Sasuke even with his deteriorating vision.

In that image, Amaterasu is setting a forest ablaze.....you can't see air, hence air is not in the line of sight.




What cup are you talking about? What the hell does that have to do with anything?



@BOLD: Well you're a liar lol. You clearly said Sasuke had bad vision. I love this, once you're proven wrong, you then deny it.

Dat credibility

I was instantaneous, it wasnt spawn on Ay cuz bad vision thus giving him space and time to react while it would hit him. We would need side view to confirm your theory while i have solid manga scan that proves lack of focus from sasuke.

 

[ShiroT]

It converts on focal point, unless user is drunk it cant happen.

What are you getting at?

Thanks man

Is there logical reason behind it that would prove thread wrong?

Except people cant react to it, it spawn instantly at focal point.
So either ama user has bad sight or FTG user is prepared for it.

amateratsu isnt instant. if it was then the raikage couldnt avoid it. sasuke even out ran it meaning someone with great reflexes, a sensor, and or a sm user has a high chance of avoiding it

 

[xxSAGExx]

I'm aware of that now, I realized that when someone else mentioned masked mans chains on minato.

I do think ftg can dodge Amaterasu, but not multiple releases as the ones after the first can not be predicted if the chakra is already there ready to use.
They spawn on target, so you have to move out of the way before it's released.

The only trouble is that Speedster>Sharingan as we saw with Lee vs Sasuke, Minato vs Obito, Sasuke vs Bee, Sasuke vs A, Tobirama vs Izuna. If the Uchiha can't see the ninjas's movements or are too slow to physically react (such as turn their head to use Amaterasu) then they aren't hitting anyone. FTG users (Tobirana and Minato specifically) have sensory abilities, fast base speed and reflexes, and FTG that can teleport Amaterasu away. FTG is what saves the FTG users as a last resort but they have the speed to dodge it as well; Sasuke/Itachi still have to focus chakra into their eye to use Amaterasu which is what Nagato and Obito sensed. Focusing chakra in the eye is what sensors will sense, like how Karin sensed Sasuke's whole body to see if he was under a genjutsu or how Kaguya narrowed down the Sages seals on Naruto and Sasuke's hand.

 

[AlphaScythian]

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Nope....how about you reread the manga instead of throwing out dumbass assumptions.

Manga states to create ama at focal point.

Itachi was hitting the ground with his Amaterasu. He still able cast Amaterasu at a great distance and see Sasuke even with his deteriorating vision.

On what purpose? It flies indefinitely after spawned at focal point until finds a target.

In that image, Amaterasu is setting a forest ablaze.....you can't see air, hence air is not in the line of sight.

Yet ama spawns mid air and is then shown to fly to the forest. Line of sight is indefinite line vectoring from your eye and beyond its not the same as focal point U_U

What cup are you talking about? What the hell does that have to do with anything?

The scan where sasuke turn the cup of water over. It indicates that his focus doesnt match the real distance. Its the same as if you use bonoculars and try to grab something that is actually further away.

@BOLD: Well you're a liar lol. You clearly said Sasuke had bad vision. I love this, once you're proven wrong, you then deny it.

Dat credibility

I never used 'blurred' once, i spoke of focal point that was off place. You're just illiterate.

 

[BlazeRelease]

The only trouble is that Speedster>Sharingan as we saw with Lee vs Sasuke, Minato vs Obito, Sasuke vs Bee, Sasuke vs A, Tobirama vs Izuna. If the Uchiha can't see the ninjas's movements or are too slow to physically react (such as turn their head to use Amaterasu) then they aren't hitting anyone. FTG users (Tobirana and Minato specifically) have sensory abilities, fast base speed and reflexes, and FTG that can teleport Amaterasu away. FTG is what saves the FTG users as a last resort but they have the speed to dodge it as well; Sasuke/Itachi still have to focus chakra into their eye to use Amaterasu which is what Nagato and Obito sensed. Focusing chakra in the eye is what sensors will sense, like how Karin sensed Sasuke's whole body to see if he was under a genjutsu or how Kaguya narrowed down the Sages seals on Naruto and Sasuke's hand.

I meant if the focused enough all at once to release it multiple times without needing to pause and build up more, then the second strike and onwards are unpredictable because you won't know when to teleport.

Although like you said they could just remain out of sight, but enton kind of answers that. (Not that that's the topic)

 

[Lightbringer]

Manga states to create ama at focal point.
On what purpose? It flies indefinitely after spawned at focal point until finds a target.


Yet ama spawns mid air and is then shown to fly to the forest. Line of sight is indefinite line vectoring from your eye and beyond its not the same as focal point U_U
The scan where sasuke turn the cup of water over. It indicates that his focus doesnt match the real distance. Its the same as if you use bonoculars and try to grap something that is actually further away.
I never used 'blurred' once, i spoke of focal point that was off place. You're just illiterate.

1. You can't focus on nothingness which means you can't cast Amaterasu on something that isn't there. How many times must I say this?


2. No it hits what you're focusing on. The focus changed from Sasuke to the horizon beyond.....not thin air



3. Pretty sure it didn't


4. You're obviously not comprehending line of sight. If he looked at something through binoculars and use Amaterasu....it would hit whatever he was looking.

It doesn't matter what he perceived the distance to be. "Line of sight"

It's the same with Kakashi, he can't just cast Kamui on nothing. It has to be aimed at something for it to exist.


Also after he tried to grab the cup it showed that his vision or headache or whatever it was went back to normal. There is no evidence that he had another headache during the battle with Aye.





5. Really dude? How desperate are you? You sad he had bad-eyesight, also degrade vision, and then denied it. What is bad-eyesight if it's not blurred vision? It's either blurred or blind. If you can't see far, you're vision is blurred.

Let's just re-quote you again since you're being a little liar about it.

I didnt state his sight to be that bad, he still saw the cup but failed to grab it.
It indicates that his focal point doesnt match real distance.

LOL

1.

Amaterasu that been dodged before is Only that of Ay which has happened due to degraded vision of susuke as i proved with the scan where he couldnt even grab a cup, otherwise ama spawn always on target, which clearly wasnt the case with Ay, was it?

2.

It could do what Ay did if Ama would spawn off place due to bad sight and minato actually having proved better reactions.

3.

Like how you know where sasuke has exactly focused? Ofcourse degraded vision is a factor.

4.

I was instantaneous, it wasnt spawn on Ay cuz bad vision thus giving him space and time to react while it would hit him.

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[xxSAGExx]

I meant if the focused enough all at once to release it multiple times without needing to pause and build up more, then the second strike and onwards are unpredictable because you won't know when to teleport.

Although like you said they could just remain out of sight, but enton kind of answers that. (Not that that's the topic)

Ah, I see your point but wouldn't FTG barrier answer that? I mean Minato would FTG to another kunai which could be behind Sasuke/Itachi so either they keep shooting Amaterasu as they turn their head or they turn their heads then use it but either way the FTG user would either see that coming or sense it. Itachi can't spam Amaterasu like that, 4 MS jutsus were his limit so Sasuke is pretty much the only one who can and his physical speed was already shown to be lower than A's speed. Even if he can see the movements, if he isn't fast enough to react then it's useless as Lee put it.

 

[WalksInShadows]

He could only do so due to slightly degraded sight of sasuke, he also was prepared for it, already in V2 and likely had info.

the only thing Ei knew about going in was the likelihood of Katon jutsu being used and some slight knowledge of Sasuke's abilities with Raiton. Sasuke's eyes could have been fresh, and he would've never have hit Ei with Amaterasu.

He did dodge it but I feel like people misinterpret this scan.
This isn't showing him moving out of the way before the Amaterasu touches him, it's showing how sasuke activated the release while he still saw ay there, but when it was actually there, he had just moved at incredible speed, so sasuke actually saw the samurai when it was released and that's why he got hit instead.
Which is why sasuke looks around afterwords, he thought he had released it onto ay.

Yes he dodged it but not the instant effect, but the release effect.
It's really hard to explain this with words though.

I think that what op is saying is that if you sense the initial pressure you can activate ftg before they can activate Amaterasu because the activation time is shorter, but if they charge enough for multiple uses, they second activation time is unpredictable and you can't tell when it will be released, and when it is, it's too late.

nobody mistranslated that situation at all. Sasuke tried to hit Ei and ended up getting the samurai who just so happened to be standing behind Ei when Sasuke fired it. It was what it looked like, simple as that.

Amaetasu is instantaneous too and i take it you didnt even read the thread as i mentioned that FTG isnt so instantaneous if clones do it slower.

Obito already nipped that myth in the bud when he outright stated Amaterasu has to be prepped, and there is a window of opportunity for anyone fast enough to dodge it to do so because Amaterasu doesn't immediately ignite w/e the user's sight is focused on. So that also destroys any "Amaterasu is instant" argument.

Like What does Cee know, he faced minato or what?

yeah, what does C know. He's only in Ei's inner circle and knew enough about Amaterasu before Sasuke ever used it to know no one was going to ever hit Ei with it

FTG doesn't save them, moving to the left or right does.

it gets the person out of its way. Moving left or right is redundant.

 

[Megatolium]

Amaterasu is easy to avoid if you know how to first hand.

Any average sensor can feel it coming, but they won't directly know it's Amaterasu. Since it causes chakra pressure well before being cast.