Senju, Minato: Secret Origin Revealed!

[bdm]

Yaah .nice explanation.

 

[Draxus]

I have few things to say sonny-
1. You said Minato is a sensor, with which I disagree, how??
A) In your pic where Tobirama touches ground, the other guy who does it is that fodder from other village, observe what he says "Is he alone?", here 'he' is Minato, that proof itself is wrong.
B) Why Minato sensed Kyuubi's chakra??
Because he had Kyuubi's other half of chakra sealed within himself...:yeah:

Minato is definitely a sensor. You need to be in order to use FTG. How else would he know where his seals are and which to teleport to?

As for the OP... No he's definitely not a Senju. The reason Naruto will end the curse of hatred is because he carries the Will of Fire started by the Senju, not because of he's part of their clan, but because he's a part of Konoha.

 

[The Sach]

Minato is definitely a sensor. You need to be in order to use FTG. How else would he know where his seals are and which to teleport to?

As for the OP... No he's definitely not a Senju. The reason Naruto will end the curse of hatred is because he carries the Will of Fire started by the Senju, not because of he's part of their clan, but because he's a part of Konoha.

How do he come to know where his seals are, probably due to his accuracy of placing them..
And which to teleport to I think it has something to do with seals that he place, I don't remember a manga scan saying that you need to be sensor to use ftg, can you please show me one??

 

[Draxus]

How do he come to know where his seals are, probably due to his accuracy of placing them..
And which to teleport to I think it has something to do with seals that he place, I don't remember a manga scan saying that you need to be sensor to use ftg, can you please show me one??

No, there is no scan that states that. However it can be gleamed by how it's used that it would be necessary. The seals aren't always static and even those that are can be moved, so he would need someway of know what seal was where. I ultimately came to the conclusion when Tobirama was revealed to be a sensor as well. I also think that is why it took 3 members of the Hokage guard to perform it. The reason the technique is so rare is it seems to require a mastery of seal techniques, great chakra control, and sensory abilities. It's hard to find all 3 of these in 1 ninja.

Also how else did he know he could FTG to Obito if he couldn't sense that his seal was there?

 

[The Sach]

No, there is no scan that states that. However it can be gleamed by how it's used that it would be necessary. The seals aren't always static and even those that are can be moved, so he would need someway of know what seal was where. I ultimately came to the conclusion when Tobirama was revealed to be a sensor as well. I also think that is why it took 3 members of the Hokage guard to perform it. The reason the technique is so rare is it seems to require a mastery of seal techniques, great chakra control, and sensory abilities. It's hard to find all 3 of these in 1 ninja.

Also how else did he know he could FTG to Obito if he couldn't sense that his seal was there?

My answer to this is seal itself....Each ninja can sense his own chakra, so in FTG you fuse your own chakra, and use it in seal, that's what my point is, since you can sense your chakra you don't need to be sensor..And all those shinobis who performed this technique, I don't think anyone of them was sensor, which also leads me to this conclusion...=D

 

[Draxus]

My answer to this is seal itself....Each ninja can sense his own chakra, so in FTG you fuse your own chakra, and use it in seal, that's what my point is, since you can sense your chakra you don't need to be sensor..And all those shinobis who performed this technique, I don't think anyone of them was sensor, which also leads me to this conclusion...=D

Wait... you don't think Tobirama is a sensor? Really?

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Also I'm not so sure any ninja can sense their own chakra.

 

[Erikhog]

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[Ahmed1993]

"The Last Son of Senju: Minato Namikaze"

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It is always of my belief that the 4th came from a very special clan as powerful and influential as the Senju’s. His God-like speed, amazing reflexes & keen analytical abilities already put him above on top of the shinobi world very much like the Senju Hokage brothers. But the most important skill that Minato possess is his ability to control chakra & this is what made him consider that Naruto as his only heir will be successful of taming the 9-tailed beast chakra in future times. This thread’s primary purpose is to highlight this special ability of the Namikaze’s & why I believe they were connected to the NarutoVerse most powerful clan namely the Senju.

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Part 1. Minato’s shared similarity with Tobirama!

Before I begin, it should be noted that the dynamics between Minato and Tobirama Senju is very unique. Both men seem to have a great level of respect for one another especially since they seem to operate the same in battle in terms of thinking. The fact that they are both users of the Flying Thunder God Technique also seems to factor into this as each has praised the other's speed and quick-thinking.

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In case this is important, the FTG jutsu allows both the users to transport themselves to a given marked location instantaneously.

Aside from their battle prowess, both shinobi’s also possesses an advance tracking abilities by simply touching the ground with their index fingers.

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In doing so, they can detect the numbers of enemy shinobi or could detect the presence of people within the area. Further, albeit that Tobirama is the better sensor, I believe Minato has his own sensing abilities as shown here.

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But what really surprises me was the fact that the 2nd can tag a person without even him noticing that he was marked with his FTG formula. Not even sharingan, rinnegan byakugan or sensors knew that the mark was already applied. This is very much like Minato's FTG & we all know that they used their chakra in applying the jutsu. With this case, it’s highly probable that 2nd can also transform its chakra to meet any person type when he transmits it, just like Minato & Naruto as stated by the

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To sum it all up, Minato & Tobirama shares so much in common. Being fast, quick-thinker, sensors & both became Hokage. Since I find it hard to believe that the word “coincidence” exist in this series, I view these similarities as clues & important pieces to solve Minato’s secretive lineage.


Part 2. Minato’s shared similarity with the Rikoudu Sennin!

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First off, both shinobi’s were hailed as the savior in the series & Minato was considered by one of the Leaf’s Sennin –Jiraiya, as the “Child of the Prophecy”. Also, only these two shinobi’s in the entire series were shown to have the ability to divide bijius to a great extent. The Sage divided the Jubi into 9-Chakra Monsters while Minato separated the Kyubi’s Yin & Yang part consequently divided it into two beings. Further, aside from the Sage’s coat & spiky hair resemblance, the only thing I could think of was the bijiu chakra cloak that surrounds the SOT6P’s body all over. It’s also important to remember that the Sage had this transformation only prior from him being the Jubi’s jinchuriki. I called this Jubi-Chakra Mode as it looks exactly the same when Naruto or Minato activates their Kyubi-Chakra Forms.

In addition, it’s significant to note that every Jinchuriki appears differently when their entering Bijiu-Chakra Mode. Killer Bee as well as RS Obito’s physical appearance looks entirely different from Naruto & Minato when their using this forms. Thus, only Minato & Naruto’s forms shared the same similarity with the SOT6P when using his Bijiu-Chakra Mode.

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This is Killer Bee using his GyukiChakra-Arms & RS Obito as he entered his JubiChakra-Mode

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Part 3. The Descendants of the Younger Son: The Senju Clan of the Forest!

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History revealed that the Sage’s Younger Son was the ancestor of the Senju Clan. He inherited the Sage's "body" — life force and physical energy. When the Sage was on his deathbed, he selected him to carry on his dreams of peace for the ninja world. His primary principle that love was the key to peace was the derivation of the leaf shinobi’s “Will of Fire”. Both Minato and Naruto strongly held this philosophy fitted to be a characteristic of the Senju clan.

But enough with the Senju history, what truly captured my attention on the younger son is because he seemed to have the same chakra cloak much like Naruto & Minato when they activates their Kyubi-Chakra Forms. Thus, I theorized that the younger son became a jinchuriki in some time of his life. He acquired the same form as his father after the Sage became the Jinchuriki of the 10-tails.

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As I’ve said, different Jinchuriki’s appears physically different as they activate their Bijiu-Chakra Mode. Only Senju members who inherited the Sage’s body shares the same physical forms as they enter Bijiu-Chakra Form. Hence, I assumed that the reason why Minato believed that Naruto will control the Kyubi was because they actually came from the Senju Family.


Abstract:

1. Minato told Naruto that he sealed the fox within him because he believed that in time Naruto will learn to control the Kyubi because Naruto is his son. In line with this, I assumed that Minato must have a Bloodline limit. Not may be an obvious one like Mokuton, Hyoton, Sharingan, Byakugan, etc..., but rather a more mysterious one. This mysterious one allowed his son to gain the ability to control the Kyuubi completely and became its first ever Kyubi’s Perfect Jinchuriki. As such, Naruto were able to learn & masters the jutsu’s that even his father failed to accomplish when he was alive.
   
   
2. I always thought that the Senju’s were much more diverse than the Uchiha’s. They were basically a collection of ninjas who shared a common philosophy, rather than blood. Tobi mentioned that the Senju’s dominated the post of the Hokages. If Minato was a descendant of the Senju clan, that would make Naruto a descendant of the Senju as well. There would be greater significance in Kakashi's statement about Naruto and Sasuke fighting in the Valley of the Ends reminding him of the fight between Hashirama and Madara. Sasuke standing on Madara's statue, and Naruto standing on Hashirama's statue was more metaphorical, as Sasuke and Naruto were the legacy of both of their philosophies.
   
   
3. To further support my claims above, we can clearly see here that Tobi talked about Senju and Uchiha, fire and hatred, then Sasuke and Naruto.

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If I understand it correctly, Tobi is explaining how the rivalry between the Senju and Uchiha started. Why would he explain this to Naruto if he isn’t a senju? Why would his fight with Sasuke be fated, much like Madara & Hashirama?


Perhaps the obvious answer is...

--Naruto is a Senju & he will be the one to end the “Curse of Hatred” that was once in the Uchiha towards the Senju.--
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He isn't a Senju , Deal with it!

 

[Kurama999]

Minato is giving Naruto present.

>
The present could be reveal at the later stage.
This present could be the answer of Minato true bloodline.

Senjutsu.
Tobirama said that this Senjutsu also being used by his bro, Hashimara.

BM were being activated when Minato reached the battlefield.
Naruto took control of Kurama and had the SO6P cloak. So does Minato.
Suspect if due to Kurama being the last of the 9 bijuu, which SO6P included some of his chakra power.
When Naruto and Minato had the cloak, it show the 'flame' around his body.
Notice that the younger son of SO6P also do had that 'flame' (fire) around him.

 

[Honord Sage]

Kurama is the authority Here He said it was Kushina'S Uzumaki blood that allows Naruto the powers He has and were do you get Senju from Namikaze two different families Tsunade is the last Senju in the village as Sasuke and Obito are the last Uchiha.

 

[FearxDeath]

This was actually a great thread. When i read the title and say "Minato could be Senju" I began preparing a way to politely bash your thread without offending you x__x, but after reading it I must say that this does make a lot of sense, given the claim it is making. I would say the jury is still out on whether Naruto/Minato are actually Senju but you made some great points and references. Well Done.

 

[Z3R01]

"The Last Son of Senju: Minato Namikaze"

​

It is always of my belief that the 4th came from a very special clan as powerful and influential as the Senju’s. His God-like speed, amazing reflexes & keen analytical abilities already put him above on top of the shinobi world very much like the Senju Hokage brothers. But the most important skill that Minato possess is his ability to control chakra & this is what made him consider that Naruto as his only heir will be successful of taming the 9-tailed beast chakra in future times. This thread’s primary purpose is to highlight this special ability of the Namikaze’s & why I believe they were connected to the NarutoVerse most powerful clan namely the Senju.

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Part 1. Minato’s shared similarity with Tobirama!

Before I begin, it should be noted that the dynamics between Minato and Tobirama Senju is very unique. Both men seem to have a great level of respect for one another especially since they seem to operate the same in battle in terms of thinking. The fact that they are both users of the Flying Thunder God Technique also seems to factor into this as each has praised the other's speed and quick-thinking.

Spoiler

The scanned picture will show the difference between Tobirama & Minato's FTG Formula

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In case this is important, the FTG jutsu allows both the users to transport themselves to a given marked location instantaneously.

Aside from their battle prowess, both shinobi’s also possesses an advance tracking abilities by simply touching the ground with their index fingers.

Spoiler

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In doing so, they can detect the numbers of enemy shinobi or could detect the presence of people within the area. Further, albeit that Tobirama is the better sensor, I believe Minato has his own sensing abilities as shown here.

Spoiler

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But what really surprises me was the fact that the 2nd can tag a person without even him noticing that he was marked with his FTG formula. Not even sharingan, rinnegan byakugan or sensors knew that the mark was already applied. This is very much like Minato's FTG & we all know that they used their chakra in applying the jutsu. With this case, it’s highly probable that 2nd can also transform its chakra to meet any person type when he transmits it, just like Minato & Naruto as stated by the

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To sum it all up, Minato & Tobirama shares so much in common. Being fast, quick-thinker, sensors & both became Hokage. Since I find it hard to believe that the word “coincidence” exist in this series, I view these similarities as clues & important pieces to solve Minato’s secretive lineage.


Part 2. Minato’s shared similarity with the Rikoudu Sennin!

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First off, both shinobi’s were hailed as the savior in the series & Minato was considered by one of the Leaf’s Sennin –Jiraiya, as the “Child of the Prophecy”. Also, only these two shinobi’s in the entire series were shown to have the ability to divide bijius to a great extent. The Sage divided the Jubi into 9-Chakra Monsters while Minato separated the Kyubi’s Yin & Yang part consequently divided it into two beings. Further, aside from the Sage’s coat & spiky hair resemblance, the only thing I could think of was the bijiu chakra cloak that surrounds the SOT6P’s body all over. It’s also important to remember that the Sage had this transformation only prior from him being the Jubi’s jinchuriki. I called this Jubi-Chakra Mode as it looks exactly the same when Naruto or Minato activates their Kyubi-Chakra Forms.

In addition, it’s significant to note that every Jinchuriki appears differently when their entering Bijiu-Chakra Mode. Killer Bee as well as RS Obito’s physical appearance looks entirely different from Naruto & Minato when their using this forms. Thus, only Minato & Naruto’s forms shared the same similarity with the SOT6P when using his Bijiu-Chakra Mode.

Spoiler

This is Killer Bee using his GyukiChakra-Arms & RS Obito as he entered his JubiChakra-Mode

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Part 3. The Descendants of the Younger Son: The Senju Clan of the Forest!

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History revealed that the Sage’s Younger Son was the ancestor of the Senju Clan. He inherited the Sage's "body" — life force and physical energy. When the Sage was on his deathbed, he selected him to carry on his dreams of peace for the ninja world. His primary principle that love was the key to peace was the derivation of the leaf shinobi’s “Will of Fire”. Both Minato and Naruto strongly held this philosophy fitted to be a characteristic of the Senju clan.

But enough with the Senju history, what truly captured my attention on the younger son is because he seemed to have the same chakra cloak much like Naruto & Minato when they activates their Kyubi-Chakra Forms. Thus, I theorized that the younger son became a jinchuriki in some time of his life. He acquired the same form as his father after the Sage became the Jinchuriki of the 10-tails.

Spoiler

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As I’ve said, different Jinchuriki’s appears physically different as they activate their Bijiu-Chakra Mode. Only Senju members who inherited the Sage’s body shares the same physical forms as they enter Bijiu-Chakra Form. Hence, I assumed that the reason why Minato believed that Naruto will control the Kyubi was because they actually came from the Senju Family.


Abstract:

1. Minato told Naruto that he sealed the fox within him because he believed that in time Naruto will learn to control the Kyubi because Naruto is his son. In line with this, I assumed that Minato must have a Bloodline limit. Not may be an obvious one like Mokuton, Hyoton, Sharingan, Byakugan, etc..., but rather a more mysterious one. This mysterious one allowed his son to gain the ability to control the Kyuubi completely and became its first ever Kyubi’s Perfect Jinchuriki. As such, Naruto were able to learn & masters the jutsu’s that even his father failed to accomplish when he was alive.
   
   
2. I always thought that the Senju’s were much more diverse than the Uchiha’s. They were basically a collection of ninjas who shared a common philosophy, rather than blood. Tobi mentioned that the Senju’s dominated the post of the Hokages. If Minato was a descendant of the Senju clan, that would make Naruto a descendant of the Senju as well. There would be greater significance in Kakashi's statement about Naruto and Sasuke fighting in the Valley of the Ends reminding him of the fight between Hashirama and Madara. Sasuke standing on Madara's statue, and Naruto standing on Hashirama's statue was more metaphorical, as Sasuke and Naruto were the legacy of both of their philosophies.
   
   
3. To further support my claims above, we can clearly see here that Tobi talked about Senju and Uchiha, fire and hatred, then Sasuke and Naruto.

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If I understand it correctly, Tobi is explaining how the rivalry between the Senju and Uchiha started. Why would he explain this to Naruto if he isn’t a senju? Why would his fight with Sasuke be fated, much like Madara & Hashirama?


Perhaps the obvious answer is...

--Naruto is a Senju & he will be the one to end the “Curse of Hatred” that was once in the Uchiha towards the Senju.--
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HOLY SHINOBI!!!

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

I think naruto is a descendant of the sage of six paths not naruto... The picture with the two sons describe yin and yan , one son came out with yan - uchiha hence hatred and sharingan from the jubbi basically the spirit side ( Tobirama backs up this claim in the manga by explaining how the sharingan works) ok then there is yin- senju and it represents the body of the jubbi the physical side ,reason why they are strong as hell and high chackra reserves.

Why does naruto and minato look different than anyone else when they take chackra from thier tailed beast ???

Here's why the seal they used is the same seal the sage of six paths used to seal the jubbi in him or very similar , which means that he passed it down ( Tobi says this to the kages in the five kage summit) and guess who was passing that down ... The uzumaki!!! Which means the sage was a uzumaki in my book. He created his two sons using creation of all things and one had the yan and the other had the yin side this creating the two strongest clans in narutoverse.

 

[cptenn94]

i think just a little bit different. I think either minato or jman are decendents of tobirama. I think it is very possible that minato is decended from the senju(not neccesarily tobirama though). This would then also prove that naruto is part senju as well.


Nobody knows what happened to the senjus, so it seems that they simply split into the clans that now exist in konoha. People tend to forget that not all senju had hashi level chakra levels.

Just my opinion though.

 

[eryq]

I think that could explain no one else being to use thunder god but them. the fact that it takes three of his guards to use it may indicate his chakra levels. Minato did learn it before he was Hokage so J-Man couldn't do it. And Namikaze is just Minato's elements. Namikaze means wave & wind.

 

[Imperius]

Just read guys, its not that long...

Don't care, didn't read, too long.

Repped though.

 

[Ovan]

I am wondering where the hell he came from too. -.-

 

[The ProphecY]

I think he's senju also but in a different way
I don't think naruto has that form the sole reason he's kuramas Jin I think it's because his chakra is mixed with kuramas yang
I think some senjus can do what naruto did without kuramas yang chakra; only naruto needs it at the moment
Minato is doing it he has as much yang as kcm naruto he hasn't used kuramas yin

Jinchuriki form is when the jinchuriki uses their bijiu's chakra. The physical appearances of the jinchuriki's looks almost the same. Bijiu-Chakra Mode however is when jinchuriki mix their chakra with the bijiu's within them. When Killer bEe & Obito merges their chakra within their bijiu's they look entirely different from Minato & Naruto. Only Minato & Naruto resembles the SOT6P's physical appearance when he activates his Bijiu-Chakra Form.

As I've said, the only time we've seen the Rikoudu having the chakra cloak is when he became the Jubi's Jinchuriki. We don't have much information about the younger son but I believed he became a jinchuriki in some time of his living. It's all because just like the Sage, from Tobi's flashback we've seen his entire body surrounded by the chakra cloak. Same physical appearance when Minato & Naruto uses their Bijiu-Chakra Mode.

Well made bro. Kudos to you. Need to spread some rep first bro

Thanks' man...

This was actually a great thread. When i read the title and say "Minato could be Senju" I began preparing a way to politely bash your thread without offending you x__x, but after reading it I must say that this does make a lot of sense, given the claim it is making. I would say the jury is still out on whether Naruto/Minato are actually Senju but you made some great points and references. Well Done.

Thank you very much mate... Yeah, it's only a matter of time till we know their true origin


Thanks' to all those who gave repped & positive feedbacks...

 

[Minator93]

The facts presented support the theory xd I always felt that Minato was related to the Senju Clan one way or the other. His clan could be a distant relative or maybe his mother was a Senju.

Nice thread!!

 

[Faceless VoiD]

The facts presented support the theory xd I always felt that Minato was related to the Senju Clan one way or the other. His clan could be a distant relative or maybe his mother was a Senju.

Nice thread!!

My thoughts exactly. Naruto must be from the Senju clan as he will be the one to put a stop on the Uchiha hatred. Its also odd to think that Senju clan become extinct knowing how powerful they are. & up to now we are still clueless about Minato's lineage.