Senju: Especially Kekkei Genkei questions

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I'm sure other people wonder the same thing. Why was the first Hokage able to control Bijou and have wood kekkei genkei (KG, sprained wrist, sorry), while his brother had neither but was a master of water jutsu? Further, Tsunade a grandaughter of the first Hokage had none of those three abilities. She has unbelievable chakra control and release.

Thinking about the other KG's and given it's due to DNA, why wouldn't family share abilities? The whole point of KG's is the DNA basis. The second Hokage had half his brother's genes by chance (Tsunade 1/4), assuming Mendelian genetics for simplicity. The probability of the KG for brother's is 50/50 if the genes are simple and/or linked. Tsunade and her brother each had a probability of 1/4 of inheriting the 1st's KG, neither did, so that's a 1/16 (i.e. 1/4^2) chance of either/or wood/bijou control. The probability of getting the water KG for Tsunade and her brother is obviously halved before the square (1/64). It's late and I'm tired, so sorry if I made a mistake, and I doubt Kishi cares about this.

Is their KG some sort of dynamic (i.e. flexible) genetic basis that instills the foundation for being an excellent ninja. We know that the 1st and 2nd's extraordinary abilities, and Tsunade was the greatest medical ninja Konoha produced along with her freak strength and the titles of 5th Hokage and Sannin.

However, her brother showed no such promise it seems, perhaps he died too young.

If however, the KG is more of a basic enhancement, that takes base abilities and boosts them to extraordinary levels, it makes more sense to me.

1st.) Uncanny Bijou control (I can't explain the wood jutsu unless it's related)
2nd.) Uncanny Water jutsu (can perform them without water I believe, even Kisame has to generate water.)
5.) Tsunade's uncanny chakra control led to best medical ninja and superb taijutsu strength.

If we remove the uncanny bit, they would've all made fine ninja, perhaps great, but I think their bloodline was to boost existing (pre-birth genetics) base strengths to incredible levels.


Feel free to post thoughts and rejections, whatever interests you. Just my humble opinion.

It's late, so peace out.
 

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tsunades only great techniques is here us with creatio rebirth and her summon katsyku
and that slug is strong
able to withsatand the kyubis cloak



SENJU means a thousand skills
each clan memeber is unigue to a certain skill
there could be an awesome earth useer or fire user
or even lightning
 

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I think the 1st hokage & he's kekki genkai is like the first person to have the sharingan

the 1st person who hade the sharingan hade family before him right but it was only unique to him into he hade family

Wood style might have to be awaken like the sharingan I just think it is a lost blood line like Kimimaro bones or Deidara clay bombs since they all died without kids I know the first had kids but maybe they did not awaken it & died younge so they can't countinue it just a theory :confused:

I think Naruto might develope he's own kekki genkai & it would get past on to the next generation maybe those eye he had in the pain arc
 

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kishi isnt a geneticist... he only said that yamato got the first's dna as an excuse to bring wood jutsu and beast taming back into the picture....

the wood jutsu isnt a kekke genkai its just the firsts trait... probly similar to the nara family's shadow possesion.... anyone can learn it... its just past from generation to generation father to son... probly the same case here... he deloped his own syle of jutsu that noone else has been able to master...

(i dont have alot (if any) of proof this is mostly speculation but it makes sense... dont over think it... kishi is a writer NOT a geneticist)
 

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i thought wood was a kg because when fuse 2 elements togethere like haku wind and water it turns ice is a kg of a countrys shinobi or whatever? i dunno .. but if you think about it last couple mangas when danzou got attacked from the village or country of wood? would they use mokuton? or maybe it was forest i cant remember ?
 

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kishi isnt a geneticist... he only said that yamato got the first's dna as an excuse to bring wood jutsu and beast taming back into the picture....

the wood jutsu isnt a kekke genkai its just the firsts trait... probly similar to the nara family's shadow possesion.... anyone can learn it... its just past from generation to generation father to son... probly the same case here... he deloped his own syle of jutsu that noone else has been able to master...

(i dont have alot (if any) of proof this is mostly speculation but it makes sense... dont over think it... kishi is a writer NOT a geneticist)
This would be wrong I'm sorry but it even states,the 1st's dna was put into yamato (meaning blood aka bloodline) as it was a blood trait orochimaru tried and failed several times to obtain the 1st's KG and yamato was the only one that succeeded(and it wasn't passed onto him like father to son as no one taught it to him!), ultimatley makes you wonder if he tried to get the 2nd's dna aswell?---maybe suigestu was his attempt at this??As for the 1st's/2nd's KG,in genetics it is known for traits to jump generations(see ginger hair) and in the case that someone has stated tsunade's brother died,he may well have possessed one of theses traits but we will never know.Tsunade never had kids,or so we think, people have been mentioning that the 4th was tsunade and jiraya's kid,therefore naruto etc...with his mum being from the whirlpool country (water) and his dad being half senju (via tsunade,maybe jiraya was uzamaki?) he had the link to the 1st's necklace (given to him by tsunade) and being able to control the 9 tailed beast(link to wood KG),eventually maybe all of them?Sorry for the wall of text but if you read it,it kind of makes sense really.
 
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kishi isnt a geneticist... he only said that yamato got the first's dna as an excuse to bring wood jutsu and beast taming back into the picture....

the wood jutsu isnt a kekke genkai its just the firsts trait... probly similar to the nara family's shadow possesion.... anyone can learn it... its just past from generation to generation father to son... probly the same case here... he deloped his own syle of jutsu that noone else has been able to master...

(i dont have alot (if any) of proof this is mostly speculation but it makes sense... dont over think it... kishi is a writer NOT a geneticist)
it's not comun but some people at times develop self genetic traits that no-one on there family has.
the 1st having his own uniq genetic ability is possibel.
 

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Man You Guys Are Over Thinking It To Much Lol
Nonetheless, I felt it was kind of interesting to take a more rigorous approach to the genetic anomalies of the 1st and 2nd Hokage families. Yes Koo, I like to think I have a brain by the way though I'm sure the remark wasn't ad hominem.
 
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