Senju Bros... Manga/Anime

[KingHashirama]

Just me trying to discuss these 2 topics

Senju Bros:


Damn. How sad is it that the 2 times we see the first 2 Hokages we see them without their full power (non-flashbacks)?

And then in the flashbacks, so many things were left out to. But man I was expecting some Hashirama and Tobirama duo.

I remember having a convo with someone on here, about Hashirama and tobirama making a combo jutsu, that was basically a big ole tub/pool that they can drown people in . =D


Plus, how does FTG work with Mokuton, i was so interested in knowing that. Now wonder the Senju outclassed Uchiha, they had the most popular genjutsu person , s/t user , and god of shinobi in their clan. BUT WHY NOT SHOW IT YO!

Now I totally feel for the Hiruzen fans, who had been expecting some feats!


So what do you guys think about the whole Senju bros not being at their full power both times they were revived?



Anime/Manga:


Naruto/One Piece are now hitting the Dragonball/Z point where the anime starts to be more interesting and more depth contained then the manga. And soon people will start taking the anime over the manga, just like many did for DBZ.

Now sure the manga fans will have a problem with that, just like the Dragonball manga fans had a problem with DBZ anime being accepted as the most real one. . I mean you can't really blame the people who watch the anime only to think that is the real thing and not the manga. Its like reading the whole consitution, and then reading the summary of the consitution. I mean I myself haven't bothered reading the Naruto Manga part 1, cause its so f*cking boring, after you see the anime.


Though for One Piece it was a completely different story, I found the starting of the manga more entertaining than the anime, because the starting is a bit slow paced. However, now after watching the anime, the manga seems a bit dull lolll.


But my conclusion is that i'm pretty much gonna be done with the manga, and only use anime for discussions once the Manga ends. Not even gonna bother with the whole "canon" fapboys/girls. Its just plain out stupid to me. I mean for lords sake anime actually gives character's some abilities to use.


Canon/Non-canon Crap so lame:


But I always find it funny, that some manga/anime fans are so naive and childish compared to the comic/cartoon fans. Tho the trend of the whole "canon" vs "non-canon" crap is starting to get in comic/cartoon discussions also. Because before it was just an accepted fact that both are canon, just have different storylines for the character. Just different variations of that piece. And both were never compared as copies of each other, but just parralels. I mean i remember discussing about superheroes all the time, we used comic book and cartoon. lol. We didn't give a f*ck which one was canon or not. Cause it was irrelevant.

But now a days the trend is starting to be that paper > animated. Just because its based off of that. Though i have noticed the trend is usually started by people who are hurt or that their character lacks feat in the other one. I mean we can take us for example. Many of us have a discussion right, someone brings the anime (notice that discussion is about NARUTO not manga or anime), however the person who proven wrong by the anime, will come out and say "it doesn't matter, cause its not canon"... I HAVE NEVER SEEN A COMIC BOOK FAN SAY THAT THE ANIMATED UNIVERSE IS IRRELEVANT and doesn't count.

Its like why the hell do you think mangakas bother with the anime? So they could expand their product, but you wanna come tell me its not relevant because its hurts you? or because you don't think so? Clearly Kishimoto had no problem with letting other people work on his stuff, why do you?

Man I really hope this fight between non-canon vs canon, clears up, and people grow some logic. And understand the fact they are the samething but in 2 different universes.

So do you think Manga/Anime fans will adopt the ideology or the mindset of comic/cartoon fans soon? Or will this naiveness just rampage on?​

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

No. You do not know how we Hiruzen fans are.

We have yet to receive the feats we want. Tobirama is basically a lumber jack that can teleport and Hashirama makes mountain dwarfing statues.

You have no concept of true pain

 

[Xlad]

Are you still on with this Canon/Non-Canon crap?

 

[PureSkillz]

For your last point? Nope and I agree it's stupid. I think Kakashi's fire-style should be seen as cannon, but then
the problem with it is a lot of non-cannon abilities and powers are ridiculous/cheap. Like the dude from the 3th shippuden movie
who had swift release to move super fast.

So I guess it's necessary to draw the line between cannon and non-cannon, because being selective about which feats
were considered cannon and which weren't wouldn't work.

 

[KingHashirama]

No. You do not know how we Hiruzen fans are.

We have yet to receive the feats we want. Tobirama is basically a lumber jack that can teleport and Hashirama makes mountain dwarfing statues.

You have no concept of true pain

First you were on that Kisame train, now Hiruzen? hmmm..

Are you still on with this Canon/Non-Canon crap?

And then we have the person who thinks hes somehow "solved" or "figured" out a secret message of the thread or something. You tell me, what i talked about. Cause what i talked about is in the OP clear.

I guess Senju bros are part of the canon/noncanon crap also. ^_^

For your last point? Nope and I agree it's stupid. I think Kakashi's fire-style should be seen as cannon, but then
the problem with it is a lot of non-cannon abilities and powers are ridiculous/cheap. Like the dude from the 3th shippuden movie
who had swift release to move super fast.

So I guess it's necessary to draw the line between cannon and non-cannon, because being selective about which feats
were considered cannon and which weren't wouldn't work.

Movies aren't part of the anime storyline =p. They are in their own universe.

Well, its the same saying canon superman = superman with a snake like S and who had long jumps, others = non-canon. In a result superman is basically quite compared to others.


I myself ain't into the non-canon and canon thing. I consider them separate and equally relevant things.

Plus, even if you use Naruto movies, people like Madara/Hashirama will be considered the stronger ones.. and most are kind of weak compared to the Hokages..

 

[The Necromancer]

You simply can't compare comic book series to manga series, as comic book characters are written by multiple authors in multiple story lines and are updated and retconned frequently, as opposed to Manga story lines and characters that are all written by one, singular author who creates one linear story.

They are simply impossible to compare. That's like comparing Star Wars Novels to Harry Potter Novels. They simply have different levels of cannon and are impossible to compare on that grounds.

 

[itachiuchiha21]

Are you still on with this Canon/Non-Canon crap?

he must think that this is canon too

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or watch him make up an excuse for this

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Kisame is my favorite character, but I've always been a fan of Hiruzen. It's not like I suddenly jumped ship.

 

[KingHashirama]

No body is focusing on the first 2 topics -_-

You simply can't compare comic book series to manga series, as comic book characters are written by multiple authors in multiple story lines and are updated and retconned frequently, as opposed to Manga story lines and characters that are all written by one, singular author who creates one linear story.

They are simply impossible to compare. That's like comparing Star Wars Novels to Harry Potter Novels. They simply have different levels of cannon and are impossible to compare on that grounds.

Sadly, false.

Example, Superman:

original creators: Jerry Siegel and artist Joe Shuster

However, sold it aka gave away the copyrights to Detective Comics aka DC comics.

Ok lets work with this, who owns the right for spiderman movies? Marvel or Sony? Sony.. Marvel can't do shit with Spiderman when it comes to movies now.. however, who created Spiderman? Marvel...

Stan Lee himself gave away copyrights for others to edit or have a hand in his creations, to earn some money. Kishimoto is no exception.



Manga = Japanese comics.. lol how can you say they are different to compare? lol they aren't different. You are making them different bro.

he must think that this is canon too

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or watch him make up an excuse for this

Happened in the anime, nothing i can do about. It happened so it happened. Why you mad?

 

[The Necromancer]

No body is focusing on the first 2 topics -_-


Sadly, false.

Example, Superman:

original creators: Jerry Siegel and artist Joe Shuster

However, sold it aka gave away the copyrights to Detective Comics aka DC comics.

Ok lets work with this, who owns the right for spiderman movies? Marvel or Sony? Sony.. Marvel can't do shit with Spiderman when it comes to movies now.. however, who created Spiderman? Marvel...

Stan Lee himself gave away copyrights for others to edit or have a hand in his creations, to earn some money. Kishimoto is no exception.



Manga = Japanese comics.. lol how can you say they are different to compare? lol they aren't different. You are making them different bro.



Happened in the anime, nothing i can do about. It happened so it happened. Why you mad?

Because of exactly what you just said. Kishimoto writes the Naruto story. Kishimoto creates the Naruto characters. You can't list the number of writers who have written out Batman story lines or who have used his image or have been sold the rights to his likeness.

That's the difference you don't understand. There will always be 1 Naruto story line written by 1 author. And if he does sell the rights, it becomes a different system of cannon.

Hell, check the number of sources on a character as simple as Darth Vader.

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At least 300.

 

[Son Ryuto Uzumaki]

Yeah i think real Hiruzen fans died off when Danzo become 6th hokage candiate

 

[KingHashirama]

Because of exactly what you just said. Kishimoto writes the Naruto story. Kishimoto creates the Naruto characters. You can't list the number of writers who have written out Batman story lines or who have used his image or have been sold the rights to his likeness.

That's the difference you don't understand. There will always be 1 Naruto story line written by one author.

Hell, check the number of sources on a character as simple as Darth Vader.

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At least 300.

Here is the thing, those people need to get the copyright from DC comics to work on those characters. Just like people need copyright to work on Kishimoto's work.

Oh let me not forget kishimoto giving the rights away for Rock Lee's little mini-series..... But its not counted part of Kishimoto's series, because he ain't writing it. However, it is still a series of its own, that is about Naruto-characters.


See you are saying i don't understand, when i already have shown to you that I do. lol. I have been into comics for over 10 years now, and into manga for about 5-6. And into cartoons for quite longer than both. I do my research. I know people that work in comics. You can't say I give away the copyrights, but hey only my sh*t is the real thing, everything else is false. NO , your stuff is only part of the universe that you allowed to be created from your stuff.

That is how they make money. That is business, manga is nothing more than business. Unlike DC /Marvel comics writers in Manga, actually get to keep some of the copyrights when the sign up with the manga company. That my friend is the only difference.


Ok we want to talk about star wars, so lets focus that then. Is KOTOR part of the series or no? I mean it was George Lucas himself who gave them the premission to create it. So is it right for me or you to say its not part of it, when Lucas himself hasn't said anything against it (from what i'm aware of atleast).

Yeah i think real Hiruzen fans died off when Danzo become 6th hokage candiate

Seen that new episode? FTW!!!!! HIRUZEN THE BADASS xD

 

[The Necromancer]

Here is the thing, those people need to get the copyright from DC comics to work on those characters. Just like people need copyright to work on Kishimoto's work.

Oh let me not forget kishimoto giving the rights away for Rock Lee's little mini-series..... But its not counted part of Kishimoto's series, because he ain't writing it. However, it is still a series of its own, that is about Naruto-characters.


See you are saying i don't understand, when i already have shown to you that I do. lol. I have been into comics for over 10 years now, and into manga for about 5-6. And into cartoons for quite longer than both. I do my research. I know people that work in comics. You can't say I give away the copyrights, but hey only my sh*t is the real thing, everything else is false. NO , your stuff is only part of the universe that you allowed to be created from your stuff.

That is how they make money. That is business, manga is nothing more than business. Unlike DC /Marvel comics writers in Manga, actually get to keep some of the copyrights when the sign up with the manga company. That my friend is the only difference.


Ok we want to talk about star wars, so lets focus that then. Is KOTOR part of the series or no? I mean it was George Lucas himself who gave them the premission to create it. So is it right for me or you to say its not part of it, when Lucas himself hasn't said anything against it (from what i'm aware of atleast).




Seen that new episode? FTW!!!!! HIRUZEN THE BADASS xD

They are different cannons. I've said that 3 times now. You can't say the anime is as cannon as the manga but the rock lee series isn't. That is impossible as they are clearly in two universes and two continuum.

Manga = A Cannon
Anime = B Cannon
Everything else = D Cannon.

That's how comics work. That's how movies work. That's how Naruto works.

Come back when you can tell me how Teen Titans Go fits into the story of Dick Grayson comic cannon.

 

[KingHashirama]

They are different cannons. I've said that 3 times now. You can't say the anime is as cannon as the manga but the rock lee series isn't which is impossible as they are clearly in two universes and two continuum.

Manga = A Cannon
Anime = B Cannon
Everything else = D Cannon.

That's how comics work. That's how movies work. That's how Naruto works.

Come back when you can tell me how Teen Titans Go fits into the story of Dick Grayson comic cannon.

Only problem is I'm not saying its canon. I don't believe in Canon. lol.

And those canons actually do not exist sadly. Things are just in different universe. No one that i know of (that is in the comic industry) actually believes in "Canon" or "non-canon". There is only creative rights. And once you attain them, you hold part of that property as yours.


And idk why you asked me that question, when i clearly stated you can't compare them. They are different variations....

Naruto from Rock Lee Giaden is still NARUTO UZUMAKI.... simply a different variation of Naruto uzumaki. Same character, different variation.

 

[-Spoiler-]

You simply can't compare comic book series to manga series, as comic book characters are written by multiple authors in multiple story lines and are updated and retconned frequently, as opposed to Manga story lines and characters that are all written by one, singular author who creates one linear story.

They are simply impossible to compare. That's like comparing Star Wars Novels to Harry Potter Novels. They simply have different levels of cannon and are impossible to compare on that grounds.

This right here thats why there is always a universe busting event to erase or retcon certain aspect of the character that a different author wrote.

 

[Ebisu]

You never cease to amase me how dumb you are anime fillers are noy cannon idiot go read bakuman and watch gintama and you will understand. Oh 5 - 6 experience bull shit that is nothing with manga, as quality counts. Experience does not make you right

 

[KingHashirama]

This right here thats why there is always a universe busting event to erase or retcon certain aspect of the character that a different author wrote.

I can name you plenty.. that were just left untouched.. get into comics and the whole animated industry, and you will understand exactly what i am talking about.

You never cease to amase me how dumb you are anime fillers are noy cannon idiot go read bakuman and watch gintama and you will understand. Oh 5 - 6 experience bull shit that is nothing with manga, as quality counts. Experience does not make you right

Clearly you didn't read the bold title, where it says "Canon/non-canon crap so lame". Both are irrelevant. They different universes of the same material.

 

[Ebisu]

I can name you plenty.. that were just left untouched.. get into comics and the whole animated industry, and you will understand exactly what i am talking about.

Let me solo all your bs. Gintama a anothrr anime from the same magazine from kishi during a filler explained that fillers are needed so that the anime does not catch up to the cannon storyline , so it does not stop. Gintama explains a lot of these things in random episodes and bakuman is about the manga industry itself lol.

 

[-Spoiler-]

I can name you plenty.. that were just left untouched.. get into comics and the whole animated industry, and you will understand exactly what i am talking about.



Clearly you didn't read the bold title, where it says "Canon/non-canon crap so lame". Both are irrelevant. They different universes of the same material.

Plenty of What that was left untouched?

And no Fillers aren't a different universe their exactly what they're called fillers and their sole purpose is to stall time while the main story is being written, fillers even exist in comic books.

 

[KingHashirama]

Let me solo all your bs. Gintama a anothrr anime from the same magazine from kishi during a filler explained that fillers are needed so that the anime does not catch up to the cannon storyline , so it does not stop. Gintama explains a lot of these things in random episodes and bakuman is about the manga industry itself lol.

You cannot solo something that you do not understand.

Fillers = part of the anime storyline. It doesn't matter what they are used for. Only thing manga and anime have in common are the characters and places.. that is pretty much it. The character movement and storyline are different. Why? Because Kishimoto gave them the creative rights to make something different from his product in the animated universe.

And you are telling me that Gintama works on Naruto also? Cause you fail to understand different people = different purposes. They can easily stop the creation of Naruto-anime till the manga is done. But again its all about the MONEY.

Kishimoto/Oda/Kubo = ALL IN FOR THE MONEY.

They gave away copyrights = ALL FOR THE MONEY.

Plenty of What that was left untouched?

And no Fillers aren't a different universe their exactly what they're called fillers and their sole purpose is to stall time while the main story is being written, fillers even exist in comic books.

They are fillers when compared to the manga. They aren't fillers when solely in the anime.

You really must be naive, to believe even without those fillers, anime and manga have the same storyline.. Hey i'm just saying....

And show me the proof from Hayate, saying they create fillers just to stall time. Cause I can tell you that its a damn fact they create the anime long to create money.

And "fillers even exist in comic books".. holy sh*t i'm done man.