Selfless people

[Lelouch Vii Britannia]

I like how people think religion is the cause of the worlds problems, but religion itself is a creation of the world. Now now I no people gonna say"no its not" then if that's the case then I would have to believe in all religions because all religions would be true, if people believed like that then most of the worlds problems would be solved. Now people talk about morals now they say "everyone has morals and we don't need religion to have morals" yes that is true but were do most morals stem from? Religion, exactly now if right and wrong no longer existed what do you think people would do?human only pick whatever morals suites them I'm sure a murderer has morals but not murdering is not one of them. People only have morals that can benifit them, now some people don't live like that they want to have morals on everything so they devote themselves to faith, but now they find out "faith has no meaning". There is no right or wrong anymore, murder,rape all these things become the norm because there nothing wrong in doing it. Where do most laws stem from? Religion, believe it or not people do not like rules, now if rules are proven to be fake you will see the true face of humanity. A person is rational but humanity as a whole is irrational, the problems of the world is not religion but humanity itself, you think people going to become all peaceful and loving once religion is gone? Your a fool if you think that.

I agree with you, tho i dont see rape and murder becoming a norm, tho suicide and incest and pedophile have a high chance to become a norm as there will be the next sexual rights crap and dumbasses will accept anything the media tells them,

Now for suicide i could see that their argument would be : *i dont want to live anymore!, its my own life why do you interfere?!. Everyone has a right to die and live as they want!*

Just look at abortion, they accept it as a norm, killing unborn children is now a norm.

For pedos and incest they would use * i have the right to love anyone i like, why can the rest and i cant?!, im not harming anyone! This child/brother loves and i love him! Everyone has a right to love!*

Dear god the west is fúcked up in the head, so dumb

 

[Howard]

I agree with you, tho i dont see rape and murder becoming a norm

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Deuteronomy 22:28-29
“If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days.

Leviticus 19:20
“If a man lies sexually with a woman who is a slave, assigned to another man and not yet ransomed or given her freedom, a distinction shall be made. They shall not be put to death, because she was not free."

Judges 19:24
Behold, here are my virgin daughter and his concubine. Let me bring them out now. Violate them and do with them what seems good to you, but against this man do not do this outrageous thing.”

Deuteronomy 20:10-14 ESV / 16 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
“When you draw near to a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it. And if it responds to you peaceably and it opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall do forced labor for you and shall serve you. But if it makes no peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it. And when the Lord your God gives it into your hand, you shall put all its males to the sword, but the women and the little ones, the livestock, and everything else in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as plunder for yourselves. And you shall enjoy the spoil of your enemies, which the Lord your God has given you.

Exodus 22:16-17
“If a man seduces a virgin who is not betrothed and lies with her, he shall give the bride-price for her and make her his wife. If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equal to the bride-price for virgins.

Numbers 31:18
But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves.

Well it was the norm in the Bible. Even had passages on how to deal with it. Morals from the Bible are just like morals created from any story. Example we learn not to lie from The Boy Who Cried Wolf, but at least with that one it doesn't threaten you with eternal damnation.

Morals are developed with or without religion. It's not the defining factor on whether or not a person is good or bad.

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All stories can help a person build up their own morality even fairy tales but ultimately morals are created by the society the person is brought up in. What's wrong, and what's right to that society eventually becomes what's wrong or right to that individual.

 

[Lelouch Vii Britannia]

Well it was the norm in the Bible. Even had passages on how to deal with it. Morals from the Bible are just like morals created from any story. Example we learn not to lie from The Boy Who Cried Wolf, but at least with that one it doesn't threaten you with eternal damnation.

Morals are developed with or without religion. It's not the defining factor on whether or not a person is good or bad.

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All stories can help a person build up their own morality even fairy tales but ultimately morals are created by the society the person is brought up in. What's wrong, and what's right to that society eventually becomes what's wrong or right to that individual.

Lmao im not christian,

Check Ryu kishi post, Morals (the correct ones) were set by religion, and today's society is too selfish and i gurentee that if someone spoke about the morals in today's society its going to be a religious person. Because today's liberals accept wrongs as right

 

[Howard]

Lmao im not christian,

Check Ryu kishi post, Morals (the correct ones) were set by religion, and today's society is too selfish and i gurentee that if someone spoke about the morals in today's society its going to be a religious person. Because today's liberals accept wrongs as right

I could easily enough quote any religion.

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Quran (2:282) - Establishes that a woman's testimony is worth only half that of a man's in court (there is no "he said/she said" gridlock in Islam).

Quran (24:4) - "And those who accuse free women then do not bring four witnesses (to adultery), flog them..."

Strictly speaking, this verse addresses adultery (revealed at the very time that Muhammad's favorite wife was being accused of adultery on the basis of only three witnesses coincidentally enough). However it is a part of the theological underpinning of the Sharia rule on rape, since if there are not four male witnesses, the rape "did not occur".

Quran (24:13) - "Why did they not bring four witnesses of it? But as they have not brought witnesses they are liars before Allah."

Quran (2:223) - "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will..."

There is no such thing as rape in marriage, as a man is permitted unrestricted sexual access to his wives.

Morality is a societal construct. It was created long before the three main religions were and will continue to change because of society. You can plug your ears all you want and claim people are too stupid to decide what is right and wrong but it doesn't change the fact that morality without an almighty god looming over with threats happens all the time.

You claim the correct morals were created when your religion was. What gives you the authority to make that claim? Your own morality? Even then, how do you explain the Crusades? Religion propagates violence and hated just as much as it does peace and understanding.

 

[Karna]

Most (if not all) selfless people are religious and believed ij something greater than themselves, It disgusts me to see all they achived of moral greatness is being crushed in today's societiy

For example: mother teresa

From age 18, she started to devote her life to missionary work and charity
She founded the Order of Missionaries of Charity in 1948
Because she gave up her income in order to do her charitable work, she often had to resort to begging for food and supplies in the beginning
Her mission was (in her own words) to take care of "the hungry, the naked, the homeless, the crippled, the blind, the lepers, all those people who feel unwanted, unloved, uncared for throughout society, people that have become a burden to the society and are shunned by everyone."
Her order founded orphanages, hospices and charity centers worldwide, to take care of all who needed help
She rescued 37 children in Beirut, who were trapped in a front line hospital, by brokering a ceasefire.
She cared for everyone, regardless of race, religion and political views. "No matter who says what, you should accept it with a smile and do your own work."
At the end of her life, she had founded 517 missions in over 100 countries
For her charitable work, she has received numerous awards in countless countries all over the world, including the Noble Peace Prize in 1979. That shows that her selfless work was universal: she wanted to aid as many people as she could, no matter where they lived.​

What a great women, and there are a LOTS of others like her, ganadi, jesus, prophet muhammad etc

Lmao and people say the world should ban religion, if religion is gone the bye-bye morals :lol .

Mother Teresa was a fraud:

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Also @ bold, that's among the shittest kind of human beings
and @ your comparison of her to gandhi and lot- disgusting.

Having said that it's not like because your example failed there is no merit in analogy, religion did motivate others like Gandhi although saying because they were motivated they adopted religion would be more correct, while it also helps people of lower intelligence to upgrade their AI and use established facts as guides w/o understanding as it's intended to be understood or to great depth. However if you are going to say that religion contributed to it- the best is it gave willing people a structure to follow and made their work easier as it's also helped terrorists and Hindu extremists(although they are neither popular not enough in numbers to go mainstream) and good muslims and Gandhi. The problems are more fundamental then religion/atheism and the cause of morals and extremism is too.

And I am not even going more specific since neither of US are educated or informed enough to dare(people will do it anyway) generalise religion especially when I have my own denomination of Hinduism admitting those fundamental flaws in humans and addressing them instead of do dis or u go 2 hellz. But whatever I'm not talking about that.

Lmao and people say the world should ban religion, if religion is gone the bye-bye morals .

Either you have heightened sense of self-worth, or you are baiting, I hope it's the latter.

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The disestablishment of religion wouldn't lead to the erasure of morals. Morals can exist without religion, as it's a social construct.

Get over yourself homie, isn't being not humble a sin and all that?

While I agree that morals are a social construct and eventually we would end up in the same situation w/o religion for our own sake, it does help(as it can potentially harm), think that not all humans are good people and if there were no laws there would be chaos, now I wont react the same way to you as I would to someone else in another situation, religion helps put people in a place where they behave. I don't disagree with you, and I get what you saying, but just wanted to add that.

 

[Lelouch Vii Britannia]

I could easily enough quote any religion.


Morality is a societal construct. It was created long before the three main religions were and will continue to change because of society. You can plug your ears all you want and claim people are too stupid to decide what is right and wrong but it doesn't change the fact that morality without an almighty god looming over with threats happens all the time.

You claim the correct morals were created when your religion was. What gives you the authority to make that claim? Your own morality? Even then, how do you explain the Crusades? Religion propagates violence and hated just as much as it does peace and understanding.

Yea by old morality you mean slavery? Lol thats not morals

Oh and i didnt say morality came when my religion came, it started by the jewish faith (it set the correct morality) one that refused slavery. And called people to be kind and selfless

 

[Ryu Kishi]

I could easily enough quote any religion.


Morality is a societal construct. It was created long before the three main religions were and will continue to change because of society. You can plug your ears all you want and claim people are too stupid to decide what is right and wrong but it doesn't change the fact that morality without an almighty god looming over with threats happens all the time.

You claim the correct morals were created when your religion was. What gives you the authority to make that claim? Your own morality? Even then, how do you explain the Crusades? Religion propagates violence and hated just as much as it does peace and understanding.

Have you ever seen a mob of people out of control? Have you ever watched the news? I have I've seen people beat down on some guy just cause he was from a different place, and these people doing it were the normal people that lived in the erea, and not only were adults but children also. I saw a young girl pick up a boulder and drop it on the guys head, and you know what her answer was as to why she did it? "Because everyone else was doing it" so don't tell me people know what's right and what's wrong.

 

[Howard]

Yea by old morality you mean slavery? Lol thats not morals

Oh and i didnt say morality came when my religion came, it started by the jewish faith (it set the correct morality) one that refused slavery. And called people to be kind and selfless

You don't understand the definition of what a moral is. ._. That's the problem going on here. Morals, are any person's standards of behavior or beliefs concerning what is and is not acceptable for them to do. You're equating your morals as the only morals.

Judaism has several doctrines about how to keep slaves and how slaves should act as well as dated views on rape. You can't cherry pick just the good and say "Religious people are good, while non-religious people are bad." There's also a lot of bad in any religion. Refer to my post with quotes from the Bible, keep in mind Judaism follows the First Five Books of Moses, or Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. Which are where most of those previous quotes came from. People create their own morality as I've stated several times and has probably been said numerous times before I showed up in the thread. As I said once before any story can help a person create morals. Fairy tales do it just as well as religion.

Have you ever seen a mob of people out of control? Have you ever watched the news? I have I've seen people beat down on some guy just cause he was from a different place, and these people doing it were the normal people that lived in the erea, and not only were adults but children also. I saw a young girl pick up a boulder and drop it on the guys head, and you know what her answer was as to why she did it? "Because everyone else was doing it" so don't tell me people know what's right and what's wrong.

I have and I have. I also don't see how that's relevant. What you're saying is, you wouldn't know right from wrong without religion, you wouldn't be able to form your own code of conduct as a human being. You yourself would murder, rape, become violent etc if you didn't have a god to tell you not to. I've been saying the entire time people make their own morals from what they believe is right and wrong from what they adopt from the society around them making them their own. You do this with religion, but it can be done in various other ways just as easily.

Childhood is often divided into five approximate stages of moral development:

Stage 1 = infancy—the child's only sense of right and wrong is what feels good or bad;
Stage 2 = toddler years—the child learns "right" and "wrong" from what she or he is told by others;
Stage 3 = preschool years—the child begins to internalize family values as his or her own, and begins to perceive the consequences of his or her behavior;
Stage 4 = ages 7-10 years—the child begins to question the infallibility of parents, teachers, and other adults, and develops a strong sense of "should" and "should not"
Stage 5 = preteen and teenage years—peers, rather than adults, become of ultimate importance to the child, who begins to try on different values systems to see which fits best; teens also become more aware of and concerned with the larger society, and begin to reason more abstractly about "right" and "wrong."

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Nowhere in anything I said, did I ever state that people would always be morally good or would always do the right thing in your terms of morality simply that they could make their own morals.

 

[Ryu Kishi]

You don't understand the definition of what a moral is. ._. That's the problem going on here. Morals, are any person's standards of behavior or beliefs concerning what is and is not acceptable for them to do. You're equating your morals as the only morals.

Judaism has several doctrines about how to keep slaves and how slaves should act as well as dated views on rape. You can't cherry pick just the good and say "Religious people are good, while non-religious people are bad." There's also a lot of bad in any religion. Refer to my post with quotes from the Bible, keep in mind Judaism follows the First Five Books of Moses, or Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. Which are where most of those previous quotes came from. People create their own morality as I've stated several times and has probably been said numerous times before I showed up in the thread. As I said once before any story can help a person create morals. Fairy tales do it just as well as religion.



I have and I have. I also don't see how that's relevant. What you're saying is, you wouldn't know right from wrong without religion, you wouldn't be able to form your own code of conduct as a human being. You yourself would murder, rape, become violent etc if you didn't have a god to tell you not to. I've been saying the entire time people make their own morals from what they believe is right and wrong from what they adopt from the society around them making them their own. You do this with religion, but it can be done in various other ways just as easily.



Nowhere in anything I said, did I ever state that people would always be morally good or would always do the right thing in your terms of morality simply that they could make their own morals.

Im not religious anyway what I was trying to say is yes a person knows what is right and wrong but if you put them together then that line no longer exists we have seen it so many times with mobs and wars people do thing that they wouldn't have in there normal lives. So if religion were to be gone there would be total anarchy

 

[Howard]

Im not religious anyway what I was trying to say is yes a person knows what is right and wrong but if you put them together then that line no longer exists we have seen it so many times with mobs and wars people do thing that they wouldn't have in there normal lives. So if religion were to be gone there would be total anarchy

That's more herd mentality then it is individual morality.

I mentioned the Crusades earlier, various events spurred on by religion that caused countless lives to be lost and an untold amount of violence but both you and the other dude are ignoring that. There's good and bad, with or without religion.

Religious people are just as inclined to do bad than a non-religious person. Their reasoning may be different behind the actions but it still happens just the same. You're still saying with your last line that people are unable to have morals without religion but you yourself are not religious. Therefor do you not have morals? Without you being a religious person how did you create your own morals? As the OP said "most (if not all) selfless people are religious." Which you seem to agree with OP to a degree.

 

[Ryu Kishi]

That's more herd mentality then it is individual morality.

I mentioned the Crusades earlier, various events spurred on by religion that caused countless lives to be lost and an untold amount of violence but both you and the other dude are ignoring that. There's good and bad, with or without religion.

Religious people are just as inclined to do bad than a non-religious person. Their reasoning may be different behind the actions but it still happens just the same. You're still saying with your last line that people are unable to have morals without religion but you yourself are not religious. Therefor do you not have morals? Without you being a religious person how did you create your own morals? As the OP said "most (if not all) selfless people are religious." Which you seem to agree with OP to a degree.

I'm not saying that you need religion to have morals I'm saying the base of modern morals stem from religion if religion was no more and if people put two and two together they will come to the conclusion that morals have no meaning in this world and there will be many who will come to this conclusion, they will say why is stealing wrong? Why is murder wrong? Who has the right to say what is good or what is bad? Anyway I may not be religious but that's only because religion is to confining, Why can't I believe in all religion is what I asked myself, so I decided to be more spiritual and that is were my morals stem from because I believe there is something more so I live my life according to that belief.

 

[Hilal]

Hmm.. .. .. Peace.... Religion..... . Believes...... Hmm..... Whats the purpose of our lives???

 

[Howard]

I'm not saying that you need religion to have morals I'm saying the base of modern morals stem from religion if religion was no more and if people put two and two together they will come to the conclusion that morals have no meaning in this world and there will be many who will come to this conclusion, they will say why is stealing wrong? Why is murder wrong? Who has the right to say what is good or what is bad? Anyway I may not be religious but that's only because religion is to confining, Why can't I believe in all religion is what I asked myself, so I decided to be more spiritual and that is were my morals stem from because I believe there is something more so I live my life according to that belief.

You're talking as if religion holds us away from a some brink of a dystopian future where humans are stupid killing machines only driven by base instincts. You're saying you yourself are not religious you've said it twice now, but you've created your own morals without believing in a specific religion but instead "there is something more." The difference we're having is simple, I believe morals come from the people from society and religion is a way of putting what people have cumulatively decided into one place like our laws. We can follow laws without religion, we can create laws without religion we do not have to believe in a god to know when something is right or wrong and we do not have to have a religion to do so. You however seem to think without religion society would just crumple. All humans would just rape, kill, steal etc without a means of stopping themselves. However humans have empathy. We can see when things are wrong, when they hurt other people it's one way we build up our morals "Saying that hurt that person, maybe I shouldn't say it that way." You're biggest point for saying this is herd mentality. When humans are grouped together they do stupid things. I've showed an instance where herd mentality under the branch of religion caused several terrible events but again neither of you want to see the bad side.

Hmm.. .. .. Peace.... Religion..... . Believes...... Hmm..... Whats the purpose of our lives???

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[Ryu Kishi]

You're talking as if religion holds us away from a some brink of a dystopian future where humans are stupid killing machines only driven by base instincts. You're saying you yourself are not religious you've said it twice now, but you've created your own morals without believing in a specific religion but instead "there is something more." The difference we're having is simple, I believe morals come from the people from society and religion is a way of putting what people have cumulatively decided into one place like our laws. We can follow laws without religion, we can create laws without religion we do not have to believe in a god to know when something is right or wrong and we do not have to have a religion to do so. You however seem to think without religion society would just crumple. All humans would just rape, kill, steal etc without a means of stopping themselves. However humans have empathy. We can see when things are wrong, when they hurt other people it's one way we build up our morals "Saying that hurt that person, maybe I shouldn't say it that way." You're biggest point for saying this is herd mentality. When humans are grouped together they do stupid things. I've showed an instance where herd mentality under the branch of religion caused several terrible events but again neither of you want to see the bad side.



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As I humans need order humans need laws, if all of the comes into question then who knows what they will do. However you have faith in them and maybe humans can have a world without religion but religion is as old as man itself the main religions may have changed, but it seems humanity will always need religion as to why that is I don't know maybe they need a reason to their lives. Also I'm not saying people are going to become killing machines relying on basic instinct, I'm saying good and bad will no longer be an issue and the world would change.

 

[Howard]

As I humans need order humans need laws, if all of the comes into question then who knows what they will do. However you have faith in them and maybe humans can have a world without religion but religion is as old as man itself the main religions may have changed, but it seems humanity will always need religion as to why that is I don't know maybe they need a reason to their lives. Also I'm not saying people are going to become killing machines relying on basic instinct, I'm saying good and bad will no longer be an issue and the world would change.

I said already, laws can be created without religion. I see religion as a way to accumulate all of the laws we as a society agree upon into one place. This is mainly what religion is, a way to tell people right and wrong however I believe Fairy Tales and other stories can accomplish the same narrative without the need for a threat. Same can be done with laws, it's not hard to decide that murder is wrong. It hurts people. Most people agree that things that hurt people are wrong. Good and bad will always be an issue because people care about how other's preceive them it's why herd mentality works to move an entire group into doing something wrong. However like morality, herd mentality works with or without religion to spur it on.

 

[Lelouch Vii Britannia]

I could easily enough quote any religion.


Morality is a societal construct. It was created long before the three main religions were and will continue to change because of society. You can plug your ears all you want and claim people are too stupid to decide what is right and wrong but it doesn't change the fact that morality without an almighty god looming over with threats happens all the time.

You claim the correct morals were created when your religion was. What gives you the authority to make that claim? Your own morality? Even then, how do you explain the Crusades? Religion propagates violence and hated just as much as it does peace and understanding.

Okay i just saw those verses and how low of you to twist them,

Here is the correct one

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Quran (2:282) -O ye who believe! When ye contract a debt for a fixed term, record it in writing. Let a scribe record it in writing between you in (terms of) equity. No scribe should refuse to write as Allah hath taught him, so let him write, and let him who incurreth the debt dictate, and let him observe his duty to Allah his Lord, and diminish naught thereof. But if he who oweth the debt is of low understanding, or weak, or unable himself to dictate, then let the guardian of his interests dictate in (terms of) equity. And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not (at hand) then a man and two women, of such as ye approve as witnesses, so that if the one erreth (through forgetfulness) the other will remember. And the witnesses must not refuse when they are summoned. Be not averse to writing down (the contract) whether it be small or great, with (record of) the term thereof. That is more equitable in the sight of Allah and more sure for testimony, and the best way of avoiding doubt between you; save only in the case when it is actual merchandise which ye transfer among yourselves from hand to hand. In that case it is no sin for you if ye write it not. And have witnesses when ye sell one to another, and let no harm be done to scribe or witness. If ye do (harm to them) lo! it is a sin in you. Observe your duty to Allah. Allah is teaching you. And Allah is Knower of all things.

Quran (24:4)-And those who accuse honourable women but bring not four witnesses, scourge them (with) eighty stripes and never (afterward) accept their testimony - They indeed are evil-doers -

Please stop looking at liberal/atheists websites as your main source of knowledge about the religion. Also it wasnt rape, it was adultery that they accused her of, they didnt rape her. Keep twisting btw


Oh another twisted one,

Correct one:

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Quran (2:223) - Your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you, so come to your place of cultivation however you wish and put forth [righteousness] for yourselves. And fear Allah and know that you will meet Him. And give good tidings to the believers.

Oh and its not raping for you to worry so much. Dumbass, its just *** between husband and wife. Is that illegal?

Also verse 24:13. If they didnt bring 4 wittness they are considered as liars, i think it was to give adulters a chance for forgivness. Thats why 4 witnesses

 

[Howard]

Okay i just saw those verses and how low of you to twist them,

Here is the correct one

Spoiler

Quran (2:282) -O ye who believe! When ye contract a debt for a fixed term, record it in writing. Let a scribe record it in writing between you in (terms of) equity. No scribe should refuse to write as Allah hath taught him, so let him write, and let him who incurreth the debt dictate, and let him observe his duty to Allah his Lord, and diminish naught thereof. But if he who oweth the debt is of low understanding, or weak, or unable himself to dictate, then let the guardian of his interests dictate in (terms of) equity. And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not (at hand) then a man and two women, of such as ye approve as witnesses, so that if the one erreth (through forgetfulness) the other will remember. And the witnesses must not refuse when they are summoned. Be not averse to writing down (the contract) whether it be small or great, with (record of) the term thereof. That is more equitable in the sight of Allah and more sure for testimony, and the best way of avoiding doubt between you; save only in the case when it is actual merchandise which ye transfer among yourselves from hand to hand. In that case it is no sin for you if ye write it not. And have witnesses when ye sell one to another, and let no harm be done to scribe or witness. If ye do (harm to them) lo! it is a sin in you. Observe your duty to Allah. Allah is teaching you. And Allah is Knower of all things.

Quran (24:4)-And those who accuse honourable women but bring not four witnesses, scourge them (with) eighty stripes and never (afterward) accept their testimony - They indeed are evil-doers -

Please stop looking at liberal/atheists websites as your main source of knowledge about the religion. Also it wasnt rape, it was adultery that they accused her of, they didnt rape her. Keep twisting btw


Oh another twisted one,

Correct one:

Spoiler

Quran (2:223) - Your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you, so come to your place of cultivation however you wish and put forth [righteousness] for yourselves. And fear Allah and know that you will meet Him. And give good tidings to the believers.

Oh and its not raping for you to worry so much. Dumbass, its just *** between husband and wife. Is that illegal?

Also verse 24:13. If they didnt bring 4 wittness they are considered as liars, i think it was to give adulters a chance for forgivness. Thats why 4 witnesses

Calm down, I was pointing out flawed viewpoints in the verses. I boded the parts in your own post. "And if two men be not (at hand) then a man and two women" takes two women to be as trustworthy as one man, "however you wish" means even if "your place of cultivation" says no. Didn't twist anything, took the verses as meaning exactly what they say and didn't insult you either.

However this is getting sidetracked from everything else at this point. You still won't admit that religious people can be as bad as non-religious people which was my entire point all the way back there.

 

[Widow Maker]

selflessness is a virtue you are either born with or achieve through deep understanding of it. Religion is not what causes it. It may bring it out though.

 

[Wabbit]

Bad news for you, Mother Theresa did not do it as a selfless act, she was a missionary and her job was to convert people by an means. It is not selfless if you have ulterior motives behind it, that goes to most religious people.

 

[Lelouch Vii Britannia]

Calm down, I was pointing out flawed viewpoints in the verses. I boded the parts in your own post. "And if two men be not (at hand) then a man and two women" takes two women to be as trustworthy as one man, "however you wish" means even if "your place of cultivation" says no. Didn't twist anything, took the verses as meaning exactly what they say and didn't insult you either.

However this is getting sidetracked from everything else at this point. You still won't admit that religious people can be as bad as non-religious people which was my entire point all the way back there.

Flawed? There wasnt any flaw, there was twisting

Like the flog them thing, thats what got me mad

So thats the terrible thing? Lmao i thought killing and massacres were the most horrible thing, but it turns out asking for two women is the most terrible thing in the world :lol

Oh and you did twist dear boy,