Second hokage fans STOP!

[shogun973]

wheres dr proof

 

[Zlad]

People say Edo tensei and space time is enough to be overrated, but we do not know how bad his Edo tensei were because it was perfected. For example let's say he should bring Hashirama [example], would his body be very strong like Orochimaru's, or very weak like a clone almost? Edo tensei got perfected by Kabuto and Orochimaru, so people have to stop saying he can do that equally to them.

His space time cannot be compared to Minato's and Obito's space time, Obito can teleport with his eye where we wants and sense people very good, and Minato can teleport with his FTG mark. Who knows, maybe it took 5 minutes for Tobirama to teleport a place? I'm just saying.

Tobirama is awesome and I have no idea why people randomly started to like him, but seriously stop overrating him. Because he is the brother of the first Hokage (that was one of the strongest Kages) doesn't that mean he is too.

 

[9th Raikage]

i agree he lost to ginkaku and kinkaku which were weaker than omoi and choza, though i'm pretty sure he can out class any ninja in water style and it's a true fact that edo probably wasn't even usable until orochimaru used an upgraded form.

The second Hokage fought Ginkaku and Kinkaku ALONE. He had no help. He also fought 20 other ninja at the same time. We dont know enough to say how powerful he is. I will say that anybody capable of CREATING the Edo Tensei and doing S/T and being known as the greatest water style user ever had to be very impressive and considering that he was the 2nd hokage and trained Hiruzen I would not be surprised if Tobirama was extremely powerful. Undoubtedly he trained with Hashirama as Izuna trained with Madara. Izuna was only second to Madara among the Uchiha so its not hard to believe that Tobirama was only second to Hashirama among the senju. Hopefully Kishi will show us What happened during the time of Hashirama and Tobirama. EPIC

 

[Zlad]

The second Hokage fought Ginkaku and Kinkaku ALONE. He had no help. He also fought 20 other ninja at the same time. We dont know enough to say how powerful he is. I will say that anybody capable of CREATING the Edo Tensei and doing S/T and being known as the greatest water style user ever had to be very impressive and considering that he was the 2nd hokage and trained Hiruzen I would not be surprised if Tobirama was extremely powerful. Undoubtedly he trained with Hashirama as Izuna trained with Madara. Izuna was only second to Madara among the Uchiha so its not hard to believe that Tobirama was only second to Hashirama among the senju. Hopefully Kishi will show us What happened during the time of Hashirama and Tobirama. EPIC

That is a key word, if he had a good space time ninjutsu like Obito and Minato he should just teleport away; but for all we know it may have taken 5 minutes to do so for him.

 

[Ghost of Uchiha]

The second Hokage fought Ginkaku and Kinkaku ALONE. He had no help. He also fought 20 other ninja at the same time. We dont know enough to say how powerful he is. I will say that anybody capable of CREATING the Edo Tensei and doing S/T and being known as the greatest water style user ever had to be very impressive and considering that he was the 2nd hokage and trained Hiruzen I would not be surprised if Tobirama was extremely powerful. Undoubtedly he trained with Hashirama as Izuna trained with Madara. Izuna was only second to Madara among the Uchiha so its not hard to believe that Tobirama was only second to Hashirama among the senju. Hopefully Kishi will show us What happened during the time of Hashirama and Tobirama. EPIC

He fought with 2nd raikage n darui also faught kin n gin alone

 

[SasukeCurse]

Are you actually comparing Kisame to Tobirama. Foolishness.

His suiton is not only the most powerful in the series but he could perform it with one hand seal and without preexisting water.

Kisame's greatest water techs came from the ocean he was near. Remember he was on AN ISLAND.

Tobirama could do that tech in the middle of a desert.

Not to mention his bringer of darkness tech that he shared with his brother. Immediate advantage rright there.

And he obviously had to be one of the strongest ninja of his time. Because when Hashirama died they didnt chose anybody else to be Hokage. They chose him.

Tobirama is a beast hokage who needed more screen time he was dope ^^.

 

[irukaumino26]

Tobirama IS the BEST water user.

Tobirama gets his water from the MOISTURE in the air around him. He literally makes water out of thin air, and does it all with a 1-handed seal.

Kisame on the other hand, has to spit the water out of his mouth like he's vomiting. So messy.

Tobirama is the sh!t!!

 

[Blaze Release]

2. Next is his space/time ninjutsu which we no nothing about. People assume seeing obito and minato in action that his space/time ninjustu must be as awesome as theirs. However this cannot be true. Tobi is a master of Uchiha ninjutsu and knows strong fire release as well. On top of all that he is very skilled in wood release and yet we did not know this until he was pushed into the most taxing battle of his life. Minato also has some elemental jutsu(jiriaya said minato wanted to combine his element with rasengan) and him being kage probably has powerful jutsu at that. He could summon toads too and still he was known for his FTG. He would rarely ever find himself into a battle he could not win without FTG. So my question is if the second hokage had space/time jutsu this strong then why is he famous for water release. Space time ninjustu as powerful as tobi or minato is so much more effecient and more subtle than large scale elemental ninjutsu. That is why tobi and minato rarely use anything else. I find it hard to believe that tobirama had jutsu this strong and stuck to using water release.

First of all people saying Tobirama is top5 is their opinion and nothing more. Not sure why people seem to like to disagree with people's top 5/10/20 and what not. Seems like a waste of time to me but whatever. We do something about Tobirama's s/t ability. The ability to track your opponent's movement whilst they are on foot, with one finger on the ground is a s/t ability, believe it or not. I' not sure where you got the idea that Tobirama was just famous for Suiton based attack's. Minato himself acknowledged his s/t ability, the second part is in relation to edo tensei so ill talk about it there.

We dont know full well how tobirama's s/t ability works when it comes to teleportation. Perhaps his takes a couple of seconds before he can teleport, or even the distance he can teleport to is limited. Tobi's is doujutsu based. Minato's is seal based. Tobirama's might be hand seal based, perhaps which takes quiet a bit of handseals just to teleport

3. Edo tensei is a useless topic to even bring up when talking about him. first off he is less skilled at it than Oro who was using an imperfect version. Second he himself forbade this jutsu meaning he does not use it. WHich also means in a battle even if he was desperate enough to want to use it I doubt he is walking around with dead bodies and samples of DNA he can use to perform it. Not to mention the little question of who he would summon anyway considering he was not a grave robber like kabuto(most likely).

In the quote above you claimed that he was famous for suiton based attack's. Yet high level opponent's in his generation recognised him as an edo tensei user;

Muu talks edo tensei/Tobirama;

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Gin/Kin bro's talks edo tensei/Tobirama;

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He was clearly famous for edo tensei as well. As for who he has summoned in the past, its unknown, but he wasn't just famous for suiton. He was clearly a user if such opponents recognise the technique.

 

[garas56]

hes powerfull

 

[Zayon Uchiha]

I agree the Tobirama has not been in the show long enough, so we can't really say hes the top 5 or anything.

 

[phantomlord22]

tobirama is cool and awesome
and I don't think he is overrated
and if talking about his fans, then all the fans overrate the character they like

 

[uchiha asuku aliyu]

there is no weak hokage, though i know his fan boys overate him, but if tobirama was to defy the rules and master the forbiden jutsu he created (edo tensei) but he played by the rules.. So weather he mastered the edo tensei and s/t jutsu or not he was the inventor and we will have to give him credit and even if kabuto, tobi and minato were the people who mastered his jutsu's (s/t and edo tensie) we will have to give him the credits so lets just imagine, if tobirama decided to master edo tensie, and lasted just long enough to complete the s/t jutsu and edo tensie before judging him... I still belive been a good fellow doesn't mean you are weak...

 

[jsrhoden]

No way is he top 5 in abilities, but he's definitely top 5 in terms of swag

 

[KingHashirama]

No. Just no. the only one I will give you on this list is mei. I can't even give you the second raikage because tobirama was the only one mentionedd to be on the verge of death after their fight with gin and kin while the second raikage condition was not comented on meaning he was ok, maybe damaged but ok and clearly going to live.

"On the verge of death".. that is a opinion of the spectator. Its like saying Sasuke left Naruto on the verge of death. When we clearly know he didn't. And nor is it confirmed he lost.. lmao. And ever thought the second Raikage didn't fight??? If he had then Tobirama's conditions wouldn't be that bad.

Why do you always have to bring Hiruzen in all threads? We don't know how much chakra Tobirama had, and his space time jutsu is cannot be compared to Obito or Minato.

We know Tobirama can create water at places there isnt water, but that doesn't mean he is better than Kisame; from what we saw from the scan Noddy showed us was just 30% of Kisame's real chakra, imagine hm doing it itself.

In terms of chakra, Kisame have more and if they fought in the water Kisame would have won without diff because he can live in the water unlike Tobirama.

Cause idk ... Sarutobi is the most overrated Hokage.... lmao. You people talk so highly of him in his prime.. Yet his jutsus were jonin level at best compared to the other hokages. And talking about Tobirama's chakra..... that automatically higher then Sarutobi's due to him being a top notch senju. And Minato compared Tobirama's S/T to obito's..... lmaoo.

Actually his advancement in water makes him the best. And again your underestimating a guy who is hailed as the best shinobi konoha has ever seen along with his brother.. But you overrate a guy who has shown Jounin level techs.

sorry for the double post ddin't see yours :/

you can't talk about tobi fight vs the 3rd cus kishi didn't even knwo hashirama was going to have wood style and same with tobirama so part one is dif then part 2 i'm sure if kishi reworked that fight he would give the 3rd new and more powerful techn. to counter both 1st and 2nd cus the results would have to end the same but nice try like i said dont over hype a guy who's been said to have weaker versions of both space and edo then orochi and minato

and yes orochimaru edo was perfect u can say what ever u want but manga > your opinion if kishi didn't want orochi edo to be perfected in part two he would have made kabuto say orochi edo wasn't perfected but didn't nice try though u do know in any anime people stop and talk its no dif in naruto in every fight everyone stops and talks

Wth did i just read.... lmao. Kishi has already stated he planned all this out.. There is no "different power scale" in NARUTO. Tobirama and Hashirama toyed with Hiruzen.. and then Hiruzen was forced to commit suicide. And Tobirama was never said to have a weaker version of Edo or Space/time.. Hell Minato even compared Tobirama's to Obito's. And then his edo was just "imperfect" but he'd used it in battle...

Orochimaru's edo were perfect..... we know... that's not the problem. The problem was Orochimaru showing off and toying with Hiruzen.... If we had seen Hashirama's true power then The village would've easily been destroyed. BUT THEY STOOD THERE WHILE ORO AND Sarutobi talked. That is the problem.

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

can you post me a link or thread where people has over rated 2nd hokage ???

 

[juankimari]

did gou just say Ginkaku and Kinkaku were weaker than choza and omoi?

Wow i lost faith in humanity.

They were descendents of the So6p and had the power to turn into mini kyuubi's with up to 6 tails.

If naruto can keep up with the deva path with 6 tails imagine two ninja with full control with 18-20 other ninja.

Exactly right, If anything this dude is underrated most of the time(Obviously extreme fanboys may overrate him, it happens with all characters).The Second Hokage must have been a beast, just because we haven´t seen his prowess in battle doesn´t mean he was weak.Being the most skilled water style user is quite impressive by itself, and Minato seemed to believe his S/T jutsu was top notch, plus he was a Senju for God´s sake! Tremendous life force and don´t forget Senju=The clan with a thousand skills.

Even tho we know so little about him, i´d say evidence points out that he was definitely a force to be reckoned with, i don´t know how some people can think that someone is weak just because we have little to no info on him.He died fighting against really really tough opponents and he was heavily outnumbered outnumbered, on top of everything it was a group of highly skilled ELITE ninja who killed him not a bunch of fodders.

 

[SilverOne]

Honestly the hype and fans like myself will never stop if you wont put him in YOUR top five at least acknowledge the fact that he was an amazing kage badass fighter and very stylish that should be enough to put him in at least everyones top ten

 

[KamuiShiryu]

"Wth did i just read.... lmao. Kishi has already stated he planned all this out.. There is no "different power scale" in NARUTO. Tobirama and Hashirama toyed with Hiruzen.. and then Hiruzen was forced to commit suicide. And Tobirama was never said to have a weaker version of Edo or Space/time.. Hell Minato even compared Tobirama's to Obito's. And then his edo was just "imperfect" but he'd used it in battle...

Orochimaru's edo were perfect..... we know... that's not the problem. The problem was Orochimaru showing off and toying with Hiruzen.... If we had seen Hashirama's true power then The village would've easily been destroyed. BUT THEY STOOD THERE WHILE ORO AND Sarutobi talked. That is the problem.

don't want to arguee with a guy who thinks anime and a clip from a game is > then kishi and his books lmao......
1st- yes there is a big differance in power lvls from part 1 and 2.....
2nd- i like to see where "kishi had everything planned out" cus i'm pretty sure he said it in a interview that he didn't have it all planned out...
3rd- minato didn't compare obitos s/t to the 2nds he said obitos s/t far exeeds the 2nd big differance
4th- if u think there is no differance between perfected and imperfected then i really don't know what to tell you and i might as well debate against a wall lol.....

ps. i won't argue about the 3rd vs 1st. 2nd. fight cus this isn't the thread

 

[Thundergod123]

I totally agree with u.
The all thing people just argument is about his " how skilled he was with combos, " how strong he was with water jutsus ", how he created edo tensei ( Oro must upgrade a little better than Tobirama ), also I mean is all the stuff and things people just come and say how amazed he was and not seeing for ourseleves. S/T techs ????? where is it, I don't see any moves from Tobirama, just hearing how amazing he was with water style, s/t, edo tensei and didn't show us any good jutsus.

I am 100% agree with u, this thread need more people who do not understand.

 

[sammypt Miyamoto Musashi]

can you post me a link or thread where people has over rated 2nd hokage ???

I agree with you. I dont really see one that often and dont really care! Lol
but...there isnt really any reason to under or over rate him! If it wasnt for him we wouldn't have Edo Tensai. Without that we would have no Madara. He fits into the plot. That was his main purpose. Anything else is just pissing into the wind....