Science:The Ultimate Question!

[ElementJnr]

well yesterday i was just reading a book about scientific facts and all that and it was talking about exactly what ur talking about so I would tell u what the book said and then thats it..... OK because as someone already stated this is an naruto fan site not a ****ing
sciencebase so here goes nothing coz i know ur gonna go *but but if thats true what about. we dont care what about just stick with what i tell u and that IT.

so listen to the answer everyonewas waiting for *DrumRoll*

*Gets into science gear*


Your question assumes time began at some "time." The logical extension of what you are saying is "beginningless" or "timeless".

Also when you say, space started as an "object", you are imagining an object in space. Space is "endless" or "everywhere."

The mind's logic operates within space and time. Beyond space and time, logic doesn't work. So, this cannot be figured out by logical thought process. Every tool, including the mind, has its limitations. What you are attempting is kind of like trying to measure the circumference of the earth with a foot ruler.

 

[Dragon Lord]

There are two types of concepts in this world

""Either every thing came from nothing"
which is [impossible]

OR

"something always existed and created every thing which is created"(Possible)

So I believe in second option becos it is more logical . Imagine there is an empty room [vacuum] Can u imagine after billion and billions of years living thing will evolve there ???
Its stupid to think that everything is created by itself ....

thats one of the theories which i mentioned ive heard about

one of my own theories, in very short, is that there is neither nothing nor something, and both, both are one and the same!, what defines nothing?, you cant give it a true answer!, and what defines something?, still you cannot give it a true answer except that which comes from your own perspective!


because some things can vanish in this world, naturally we asume that "nothingness" must also exist!, but the thing is.., nothing can truly vanish from this universe!, in worst case, matter can turn into energy, an invisible force, yet very much real, and cannot ever dissappear!

in this world, things only "transform", they are not created or deleted!! - so i guess that tells us something!!

 

[Mahamed zh]

No offense bro, but your the type i wanna shoot!!

you dont even know what your talking about!

i know what i talk about but you dont want to understand

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

thats one of the theories which i mentioned ive heard about

one of my own theories, in very short, is that there is neither nothing nor something, and both, both are one and the same!, what defines nothing?, you cant give it a true answer!, and what defines something?, still you cannot give it a true answer except that which comes from your own perspective!


because some things can vanish in this world, naturally we asume that "nothingness" must also exist!, but the thing is.., nothing can truly vanish from this universe!, in worst case, matter can turn into energy, an invisible force, yet very much real, and cannot ever dissappear!

in this world, things only "transform", they are not created or deleted!! - so i guess that tells us something!!

yep, their is nowhere that exsists of nothingness, even if its just molecules and you can't remove matter from the universe only change its form. so maybe their was no begining and its just always exsisted in one form or another as the universe.

 

[~Lumos~]

something always exsisted and created everything which is is possible?
then why not just say the universe has always exsisted it had no begining rather then say a god had no begining and gave us ours.

We can not say that universe is always created becos

Spoiler

To claim something enternal{always existed n will exist}

we will apply properties of infinity to the universe i.e matter time and space... n if i prove it to you that
they are finite so this means they are created!!!!!

Created by who is not made of matter time and space.i.e it has properties of God {Immaterial,Eternal,Omnipresent.}

But we are getting ahead of ourslelves . lets slow down!!!

So lets start by showing you that matter time and space can not be eternal/Infinite..

so lets take "Time" first

"Time is the measure of changes in matter"[/COLOR]

So lets Take n example... If i say i m gonna give u candy bar if u fliCK the light switch in infinite amount of time

will u ever be able to get candy bar for me?????????????

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The answer is "NO"

u cant flick a light switch in infinite amount of time. 1 2 3 4 5 ....... ????

or in other words "u cant have infinite amount of finite thing"

So time we know had a begining becos it could not have been infinite amount of time right now.

so this is simply logical that "time is Finite"
OR
"COULD there be differnt amount of changes between two events like the candy bar example

Could i give u something between now n event in future if there is infinite amount of changes of time between two events
ANS= "NO"

This means there are not infinite number of changes in time becos we never would have reached this moment in time..

Now if time is finite it had a beginning] First thing is solved...

Now matter it is also not infinite

lets have an other example if i have to reach infinity of a book{A Matter} how many books do i need ????

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1 20 50 1000000 150000 .......... i cant reach infinity.

So this proves that you cant have infinite amount of finite thing. Second thing is solved.

Now if time and matter are finite then space is also finite becos it the "measure of distance between matter"

so if matter dont exist there is vacume it cant be space.. DUH

So if matter is finite then space is the only the farthest distance between two matters in all reality so matter time n space are finite.

Now this means they all had beginning then what created matter time and space????????


Well there will be something that is without matter space and time

so lets study the properties of thing which exists without matter time and space .

well if you exist without time then time is measure of change this means u never change there is no past or future BUT ONLY ETERNAL "NOW".


Now if you exist without matter then this means you cant be touched or visible smell or tasted.

Now if you exist without space this means you are not bound you are every where omnipresent without any special restrictions..

Now if matter time and space are created then the one who created them Is without matter time and space.

SO SOMETHING ETERNAL OMNIPRESENT AND IMMATERIAL CREATED MATTER TIME AND SPACE who is invisible.

so what does that sound like to you??????

Obvisouly it is God .....

 

[~Exorcist~]

I believe myself god doesnt exist! But if he does then all the humans on earth are like a game to him!

 

[Dragon Lord]

well yesterday i was just reading a book about scientific facts and all that and it was talking about exactly what ur talking about so I would tell u what the book said and then thats it..... OK because as someone already stated this is an naruto fan site not a ****ing
sciencebase so here goes nothing coz i know ur gonna go *but but if thats true what about. we dont care what about just stick with what i tell u and that IT.

so listen to the answer everyonewas waiting for *DrumRoll*

*Gets into science gear*


Your question assumes time began at some "time." The logical extension of what you are saying is "beginningless" or "timeless".

Also when you say, space started as an "object", you are imagining an object in space. Space is "endless" or "everywhere."

The mind's logic operates within space and time. Beyond space and time, logic doesn't work. So, this cannot be figured out by logical thought process. Every tool, including the mind, has its limitations. What you are attempting is kind of like trying to measure the circumference of the earth with a foot ruler.

giving up is ur style, not mine! - anything is possible, that i know!, and i already have several theories which make kinda sense!, it seems impossible, but its not!, one thing i do know, the problem lies in our minds, if we can think beyond our logic, then perhaps we have a chance of figuring it out!

 

[~Lumos~]

thats one of the theories which i mentioned ive heard about

one of my own theories, in very short, is that there is neither nothing nor something, and both, both are one and the same!, what defines nothing?, you cant give it a true answer!, and what defines something?, still you cannot give it a true answer except that which comes from your own perspective!


because some things can vanish in this world, naturally we asume that "nothingness" must also exist!, but the thing is.., nothing can truly vanish from this universe!, in worst case, matter can turn into energy, an invisible force, yet very much real, and cannot ever dissappear!

in this world, things only "transform", they are not created or deleted!! - so i guess that tells us something!!

Things are not created or deleted this means they is something that always existed right??

So to me God Always existed and ans to question that y can't universe always exist is given in my previous post in spoiler tag

 

[~Lumos~]

To get Answers of such questions we have to think beyond logic and facts...

 

[Sonne]

To get Answers of such questions we have to think beyond logic and facts...

Or just in the boundaries of Logic and Facts,everything makes sense if you look at it from an educated angle.

I rather believe I was once an ape instead of being created momentarily like Pop Corn in a Microwave oven.

"Precooked Humans,now just heat em up in the oven!"

 

[ElementJnr]

giving up is ur style, not mine! - anything is possible, that i know!, and i already have several theories which make kinda sense!, it seems impossible, but its not!, one thing i do know, the problem lies in our minds, if we can think beyond our logic, then perhaps we have a chance of figuring it out!

AH I NEVER GIVE UP :flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw:

 

[Pervyy]

This is how:

Once upon a time mr t and chuck norris wanted a fight, but there was no where safe in the universe they could have a fight without destroying everything. So they went back in time before anything existed.

Chuck went for his great round house kick which hit Mr t's bling causing a great bang creating the universe as we know it.

Happy now? its an endless cycle xd

 

[Rihari]

well yesterday i was just reading a book about scientific facts and all that and it was talking about exactly what ur talking about so I would tell u what the book said and then thats it..... OK because as someone already stated this is an naruto fan site not a ****ing
sciencebase so here goes nothing coz i know ur gonna go *but but if thats true what about. we dont care what about just stick with what i tell u and that IT.

so listen to the answer everyonewas waiting for *DrumRoll*

*Gets into science gear*


Your question assumes time began at some "time." The logical extension of what you are saying is "beginningless" or "timeless".

Also when you say, space started as an "object", you are imagining an object in space. Space is "endless" or "everywhere."

The mind's logic operates within space and time. Beyond space and time, logic doesn't work. So, this cannot be figured out by logical thought process. Every tool, including the mind, has its limitations. What you are attempting is kind of like trying to measure the circumference of the earth with a foot ruler.

tbh tht wasnt even an answer it was just stating space is endless and it chucked in how space started

 

[Mahamed zh]

I and you my family and yours earth and sky sun and moon stars and planets space and clouds animals and plants have an creator

 

[kickassjutsu]

Well, if God existed, i would say he could be "Truth", I'll explain why..

inorder to explain, first i have to kinda proof that God Doesnt exist!

We all know that God is supposed to be almighty, So if i prove that he cant be almighty, then i kinda prove he doesnt exist,yes?


Ok listen, imagine you have a friend, and he died!, would God be able to bring him back? - yes!, God would be able to change back time, space and matter and the universe and beyond!, But would God be able to Change "the Truth"?, lets say ur friend is brought back to life, time has changed back, and everything else, you dont even remember ur friend ever dieing!, But would it change the truth?

No matter how much God changes something, whether he deletes that accident from happening or completely erases it, it doesnt change the fact that it Did happen!!, your friend Did Die!! - only thing is, God changed everything!, everything is changed, but only God knows it now!, yet the truth Still remains!, no matter how much God changes everything, he cannot erase the Truth!!, its just simply impossible!!

if you understood me, then perhaps you will understand why im saying that if God is almighty, then he must be the "Truth"!!

i don't think god changes any thing, if he did i don't think life would be what it is right now, and yes God is truth, and the only real truth, he is the beging and the end. God gave of all free will and to change history like that would be taking that free will from us, and i don't believe God would do such a thing. Were to perfect to complex that fact that your able to think up a thread like this if proof of Gods power.

 

[Rihari]

This is how:

Once upon a time mr t and chuck norris wanted a fight, but there was no where safe in the universe they could have a fight without destroying everything. So they went back in time before anything existed.

Chuck went for his great round house kick which hit Mr t's bling causing a great bang creating the universe as we know it.

Happy now? its an endless cycle xd

no i wanna know who won lol?

 

[~Lumos~]

Or just in the boundaries of Logic and Facts,everything makes sense if you look at it from an educated angle.

I rather believe I was once an ape instead of being created momentarily like Pop Corn in a Microwave oven.

"Precooked Humans,now just heat em up in the oven!"

it doesn't make sense the boundaries of logic cant explain everything

like the question discussed in this thread it cant be proven by just mere logic..

 

[~Exorcist~]

This is how:

Once upon a time mr t and chuck norris wanted a fight, but there was no where safe in the universe they could have a fight without destroying everything. So they went back in time before anything existed.

Chuck went for his great round house kick which hit Mr t's bling causing a great bang creating the universe as we know it.

Happy now? its an endless cycle xd

WTF!? xd _O-

 

[Sonne]

it doesn't make sense the boundaries of logic cant explain everything

like the question discussed in this thread it cant be proven by just mere logic..

Yes it can,you are just thinking how you were taught to think.

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

We can not say that universe is always created becos

Spoiler

To claim something enternal{always existed n will exist}

we will apply properties of infinity to the universe i.e matter time and space... n if i prove it to you that
they are finite so this means they are created!!!!!

Created by who is not made of matter time and space.i.e it has properties of God {Immaterial,Eternal,Omnipresent.}

But we are getting ahead of ourslelves . lets slow down!!!

So lets start by showing you that matter time and space can not be eternal/Infinite..

so lets take "Time" first

"Time is the measure of changes in matter"[/COLOR]

So lets Take n example... If i say i m gonna give u candy bar if u fliCK the light switch in infinite amount of time

will u ever be able to get candy bar for me?????????????

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

The answer is "NO"

u cant flick a light switch in infinite amount of time. 1 2 3 4 5 ....... ????

or in other words "u cant have infinite amount of finite thing"

So time we know had a begining becos it could not have been infinite amount of time right now.

so this is simply logical that "time is Finite"
OR
"COULD there be differnt amount of changes between two events like the candy bar example

Could i give u something between now n event in future if there is infinite amount of changes of time between two events
ANS= "NO"

This means there are not infinite number of changes in time becos we never would have reached this moment in time..

Now if time is finite it had a beginning] First thing is solved...

Now matter it is also not infinite

lets have an other example if i have to reach infinity of a book{A Matter} how many books do i need ????

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

1 20 50 1000000 150000 .......... i cant reach infinity.

So this proves that you cant have infinite amount of finite thing. Second thing is solved.

Now if time and matter are finite then space is also finite becos it the "measure of distance between matter"

so if matter dont exist there is vacume it cant be space.. DUH

So if matter is finite then space is the only the farthest distance between two matters in all reality so matter time n space are finite.

Now this means they all had beginning then what created matter time and space????????


Well there will be something that is without matter space and time

so lets study the properties of thing which exists without matter time and space .

well if you exist without time then time is measure of change this means u never change there is no past or future BUT ONLY ETERNAL "NOW".


Now if you exist without matter then this means you cant be touched or visible smell or tasted.

Now if you exist without space this means you are not bound you are every where omnipresent without any special restrictions..

Now if matter time and space are created then the one who created them Is without matter time and space.

SO SOMETHING ETERNAL OMNIPRESENT AND IMMATERIAL CREATED MATTER TIME AND SPACE who is invisible.

so what does that sound like to you??????

Obvisouly it is God .....

yeah yeah you gave that to me in the religion real or fake thread already, making up special rules for god to be unproveable via not made of matter,affected by anything and unseeable doesn't mean he has to exsist, if that were true then I have a pet T.rex, you just can't touch feel hear smell or see him but hes there trust me.