Science, Religion, and Ignorance.

[Cornson]

Lmao. Jesus life has been recorded in the stones and in history's pillar, so it's not a false claim or any thing. It's fact.

The only evidence we (as in humanty) have ever found that proves the Jesus was an actual living person was that in the year 36 (according to our calender) a man named Jesus was crusified in the correct location according to the stories of the bible. (we have some old roman documents where it says on this day of this year a man named "jesus" was crusified)

For the age of Jesus to fit closely enough to be accurate he should have been crusified somewhere between year 30 to year 40 so that margin of error "fits" closely enough to where it could be the correct one.

Now here is when the problems starts to begin: the name Jesus was at the time the 5'th most used name in that region, so there wore literally 100's if not thousands of Jesus walking around (and no the name was not "jesus" sins they didn't used english back then, the name was ofcause writting in the languge they used back then so it would of cause be spelled differently)

That's all the evidence we have of Jesus existing and that Jesus had magic powers and rose from the dead, 1 roman parchment that stated that a man named Jesus was Crusified in the year 36.

 

[Uverdore9]

The only evidence we (as in humanty) have ever found that proves the Jesus was an actual living person was that in the year 36 (according to our calender) a man named Jesus was crusified in the correct location according to the stories of the bible. (we have some old roman documents where it says on this day of this year a man named "jesus" was crusified)

For the age of Jesus to fit closely enough to be accurate he should have been crusified somewhere between year 30 to year 40 so that margin of error "fits" closely enough to where it could be the correct one.

Now here is when the problems starts to begin: the name Jesus was at the time the 5'th most used name in that region, so there wore literally 100's if not thousands of Jesus walking around (and no the name was not "jesus" sins they didn't used english back then, the name was ofcause writting in the languge they used back then so it would of cause be spelled differently)

That's all the evidence we have of Jesus existing and that Jesus had magic powers and rose from the dead, 1 roman parchment that stated that a man named Jesus was Crusified in the year 36.

Lmao you really think that's the only evidence? Yeah sure it was spelled differently but the fact is there is a tomb which is made in one stone(not building blocks in the tomb) and the bible does say jesus tomb has that peculiar characteristic. Also another fact discovered by science is jesus tomb has leftover blood from his body and that blood still is "alive" as in the same as the blood coming from a living human who just cut himself. Look how miraculous that is.

 

[Lightbringer]

Lmao you really think that's the only evidence? Yeah sure it was spelled differently but the fact is there is a tomb which is made in one stone(not building blocks in the tomb) and the bible does say jesus tomb has that peculiar characteristic. Also another fact discovered by science is jesus tomb has leftover blood from his body and that blood still is "alive" as in the same as the blood coming from a living human who just cut himself. Look how miraculous that is.

I don't think that "evidence" is real. Can you site your sources?

 

[Uverdore9]

I don't think that "evidence" is real. Can you site your sources?

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This.

 

[BazzBee]

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This.

The opening kind of labels the entire article.

Ron also stated that he knows that of over 10 people that later tried to enter the room where the Ark was placed and that they were all were killed! Clearly God does not want the Ark disturbed from its resting place.

Bold claims. I wouldn't consider that source reliable, it's overflowing with fallacies.

 

[Uverdore9]

The opening kind of labels the entire article.

Bold claims. I wouldn't consider that source reliable, it's overflowing with fallacies.

I didnt get your point?

 

[Our Lord Sasuke]

Damn, so many jesustards

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Didn't even read this, but I already know Drecker was all over it.

 

[Cornson]

Lmao you really think that's the only evidence? Yeah sure it was spelled differently but the fact is there is a tomb which is made in one stone(not building blocks in the tomb) and the bible does say jesus tomb has that peculiar characteristic. Also another fact discovered by science is jesus tomb has leftover blood from his body and that blood still is "alive" as in the same as the blood coming from a living human who just cut himself. Look how miraculous that is.

that tomb have been found several times, every single time i was "not the correct one" and the DNA samples showed nothing out of the ordinary (just a regular homo sapien)

There really is no other evidence out there.

The earlier stories mentioning Jesus from the bible was still written almost 50 after his "suposed" death and we know for a fact that the bible have been altered, rewritten and changed trueout its history.

 

[Uverdore9]

that tomb have been found several times, every single time i was "not the correct one" and the DNA samples showed nothing out of the ordinary (just a regular homo sapien)

There really is no other evidence out there.

The earlier stories mentioning Jesus from the bible was still written almost 50 after his "suposed" death and we know for a fact that the bible have been altered, rewritten and changed trueout its history.

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I suggest you read this link. There are scientists in this research and have found that the blood has chromosomes fresh still in it. From 2000 years!

 

[Lightbringer]

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This.

Yeah it's all just bullshit.

I googled the "archaeologist" who claimed to have found all of those supposed holy relics and both religious scholars and archaeologists think of him as a fraud.

 

[Uverdore9]

Yeah it's all just bullshit.

I googled the "archaeologist" who claimed to have found all of those supposed holy relics and both religious scholars and archaeologists think of him as a fraud.

"Think of him". Factual proof he's a fraud?

 

[Lightbringer]

"Think of him". Factual proof he's a fraud?

I was being polite. He is.

None of his findings, including the blood of Jesus, are considered credible or real.

 

[Uverdore9]

I was being polite. He is.

None of his findings, including the blood of Jesus, are considered credible or real.

He has shown proof for that. So unless some another source disproves that with visible data he doesnt become a fraud.

 

[Lightbringer]

He has shown proof for that. So unless some another source disproves that with visible data he doesnt become a fraud.

So he finds something and labels it as holy, and you believe him at his word?

That's not proof; that's fraud. All of his "scientific tests" and fantastical claims have been refuted and never see the light of day.

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"A third claim came from the late Ron Wyatt, an amateur archaeologist who said that in 1982 he found the Ark beneath the hill on which Christ was rumored to have been crucified. Blood from the crucifixion, he claimed, had dripped from the cross through a fissure in the rock and onto the Ark. But nobody has ever seen it again, and Wyatt also claimed a number of other archaeological finds that most scholars find dubious."


Here is a letter that a from the Curator of Anthropology/Archaeology of Israel Antiquities Authority

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"Mr. Ron Wyatt is neither an archaeologist nor has he ever carried out a legally licensed excavation in Israel or Jerusalem. In order to excavate one must have at least a BA in archaeology which he does not possess despite his claims to the contrary. We are aware of his claims which border on the absurd as they have no scientific basis whatsoever nor have they ever been published in a professional journal. They fall into the category of trash which one finds in tabloids such as the National Enquirer, Sun etc. It's amazing that anyone would believe them. Furthermore, he has been throughly discredited by various Christian organizations such as Creation Research in Calif. For the latest on his "discoveries" I suggest going into the WWW (use Vista) someone called Tentmaker decided to do an expose of his various claims. Here you will find the truth, which is more amazing that his (RW) fictions."


And here is also a letter from The Garden Tomb Association of Jerusalem

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[Multiply]

So he finds something and labels it as holy, and you believe him at his word?

That's not proof; that's fraud. All of his "scientific tests" and fantastical claims have been refuted and never see the light of day.

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"A third claim came from the late Ron Wyatt, an amateur archaeologist who said that in 1982 he found the Ark beneath the hill on which Christ was rumored to have been crucified. Blood from the crucifixion, he claimed, had dripped from the cross through a fissure in the rock and onto the Ark. But nobody has ever seen it again, and Wyatt also claimed a number of other archaeological finds that most scholars find dubious."


Here is a letter that a from the Curator of Anthropology/Archaeology of Israel Antiquities Authority

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"Mr. Ron Wyatt is neither an archaeologist nor has he ever carried out a legally licensed excavation in Israel or Jerusalem. In order to excavate one must have at least a BA in archaeology which he does not possess despite his claims to the contrary. We are aware of his claims which border on the absurd as they have no scientific basis whatsoever nor have they ever been published in a professional journal. They fall into the category of trash which one finds in tabloids such as the National Enquirer, Sun etc. It's amazing that anyone would believe them. Furthermore, he has been throughly discredited by various Christian organizations such as Creation Research in Calif. For the latest on his "discoveries" I suggest going into the WWW (use Vista) someone called Tentmaker decided to do an expose of his various claims. Here you will find the truth, which is more amazing that his (RW) fictions."


And here is also a letter from The Garden Tomb Association of Jerusalem

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You forgot this at the end of it:

[video=youtube;aznJJir__oE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aznJJir__oE[/video]

 

[SamAdams]

Well your point, if I'm not mistaken, was to be be skeptical of everything.

Skepticism is fine, but skepticism also comes in varying degrees. You can't equate skepticism of religion to science when they're not on an even playing field.

If you had 5 different doctors tell you that you had cancer, would you be equally skeptical of their diagnosis as opposed to the one doctor that told you that you were fine?

The real question is when those same 5 doctors tell you that your only options are chemo and raidiation because big pharma ensures their medical training is pointed in a certain direction.Would you blindly believe them because they are doctors?

Its actually a good example of what the OP is pointing out. In this senario many people would be surprised to learn that there have been thousands of clinical studies that have gotten very little attention on the effects fasting has on cancer. The results vastly better than chemo or raidiation with much less toxicity.

That said, there is no money to be made when people fast and the agenda is to make money. science and religion both have agendas as well and for that reason alone neither should be accepted just because a group of invested individuals says so.

 

[Lightbringer]

The real question is when those same 5 doctors tell you that your only options are chemo and raidiation because big pharma ensures their medical training is pointed in a certain direction.Would you blindly believe them because they are doctors?

Its actually a good example of what the OP is pointing out. In this senario many people would be surprised to learn that there have been thousands of clinical studies that have gotten very little attention on the effects fasting has on cancer. The results vastly better than chemo or raidiation with much less toxicity.

That said, there is no money to be made when people fast and the agenda is to make money. science and religion both have agendas as well and for that reason alone neither should be accepted just because a group of invested individuals says so.

The real question is what I asked.

You're creating a cherry picked scenario that doesn't address the topic of this post, which is faith over science. The analogy wasn't mean to be technical, it was just to address whether or not one will simply deny an expert's opinion just because they don't like what they hear.

An expert's opinion vs baseless belief.

 

[Hakke]

Let's see... which to believe? something that is based on solid evidences and that is the cause of the cool inventions we have today or something that is baseless and full of horsecrap?

 

[SamAdams]

The real question is what I asked.

You're creating a cherry picked scenario that doesn't address the topic of this post, which is faith over science. The analogy wasn't mean to be technical, it was just to address whether or not one will simply deny an expert's opinion just because they don't like what they hear.

An expert's opinion vs baseless belief.

Your the one that brought doctors into conversation or have you forgotten? My scenario was very much on point as to what the op was referring to while yours was very narrow minded.