Science, Religion, and Ignorance.

[Fountain]

I've been thinking about this stuff lately, and you know... I found out that science and religion actually have a lot in common, a lot more than i thought. In *religion you have the bible and those who are devoted to it. To their accordance, god is real and everything written in the bible is true, and you shouldn't question the existence of god or sin, or else your soul will go to hell. Then when it comes to science, you'll have someone like Neil Degrasse (for example) give you their explanation why the moon landing was real, and you're not allowed to question it or come up with your own explanation or else you would be ignored or treated as an idiot. This goes for everything else, this was only an example.

People would rather blindly belive in something someone else says than their own intuition, than question said things, and do their own personal research, not entirely based on what someone else says. And often if you question people they'll just say oh well you just don't belive in science, you're just crazy etc. here! look, it's the evidence. Then they'll show you the exact same thing they blindly trust and follow. They limit themselves to think for themselves and it's a damn shame.

Why can't people do their own rational research and use logic based on their own personal experiences, research, and belives rather than someone else's? God is fake. Well, why can't we think of a possibility for god to exist instead of straight up saying it and claiming everything in the bible is bullcrap? The dinosaurs were real. Ok, why can't we question that either, find some actual bones ourselves and study them instead of saying oh this guy said it and he's an archeologist so it's true, here's the evidence, you're stupid, nice tin foil hat.

It's such a shame. It's always A or B, there is no C.

The same logic applies to pretty much everything else. This is one of the main reasons why society keeps going downhill and we see so many people rioting and calling eachother trash and racists etc.

What are your thoughts?

 

[Lyke]

Holy shit i never realized that science is also just blindly trusting what someone else once said
Hoooly shit this opened my eyes

Good thread 10/10

 

[Guntah]

To be honest, the first and foremost difference between science and religion is that science explains more. And that's only natural. One's beliefs revolve around a 2000 year old manuscript and can only grow from there. Science is ever changing. Things are proven, disproven, theorized and speculated every day. It just gives us more answers, and so its easier to rely on.

 

[Lightbringer]

I would ask that you read this in its entirety.

When it comes to the bible, the texts that tell historical events don't align with the evidence found through archaeology. A major example would be the Exodus. There is absolutely no archaeological evidence of Jews even being in Egypt in that time. Also the texts that write about the Exodus were written a thousand years after the claimed time period it takes place in. There are tons of historical inaccuracies which leads to question the credibility of the bible.

When it comes to Dinosaurs, Neanderthals, etc. We do have physical evidence of their existence, such as bones, footprints, DNA samples, tools, artwork, etc.

Yes, there is a lot of dispute about God. But take it from this perspective; we are not saying that there is absolutely no chance of God whatsoever, but based on what we know, it is unlikely.

Science builds on a foundation of observable evidence. It starts small then grows. We have thus far found no evidence to suggest the existence of the supernatural. Whether that might change or not is unforeseeable. But claiming that God exists as a certainty without evidence is disingenuous and unproductive. But if we're talking about an Abrahamic, Islamic, or Christian God; considering that the religious texts have historical inaccuracies, contradictions, and scientific implausibilities, it's safe to say that those Gods, along with all Pagan Gods do not exist. If there is a God, it's not going to be a God that humans have imagined in any religion.

As to blindly following science. Well we're not blindly following it. There is evidence available for us to see. It's just a matter of being able to comprehend that evidence. It's also incredibly important to have peer reviewed science. When scientists make theories or present data, it is then looked upon by other scientists and organizations to verify if what they are proposing is true or not. There is a process to this.

You cannot test religion to see if your God is real, but you can test and reproduce science which makes it real.

 

[Leonard Uchiha]

To be honest, the first and foremost difference between science and religion is that science explains more. And that's only natural. One's beliefs revolve around a 2000 year old manuscript and can only grow from there. Science is ever changing. Things are proven, disproven, theorized and speculated every day. It just gives us more answers, and so its easier to rely on.

Based on that, you will not question it?

 

[Dreckerplayer]

I've been thinking about this stuff lately, and you know... I found out that science and religion actually have a lot in common, a lot more than i thought. In reglion you have the bible and those who are devoted to it. To their accordance, god is real and everything written in the bible is true, and you shouldn't question the existence of god or sin, or else your soul will go to hell. Then when it comes to science, you'll have someone like Neil Degrasse (for example) give you their explanation why the moon landing was real, and you're not allowed to question it or come up with your own explanation or else you would be ignored or treated as an idiot. This goes for everything else, this was only an example.

People would rather blindly belive in something someone else says than their own intuition, than question said things, and do their own personal research, not entirely based on what someone else says. And often if you question people they'll just say oh well you just don't belive in science, you're just crazy etc. here! look, it's the evidence. Then they'll show you the exact same thing they blindly trust and follow. They limit themselves to think for themselves and it's a damn shame.

Why can't people do their own rational research and use logic based on their own personal experiences, research, and belives rather than someone else's? God is fake. Well, why can't we think of a possibility for god to exist instead of straight up saying it and claiming everything in the bible is bullcrap? The dinosaurs were real. Ok, why can't we question that either, find some actual bones ourselves and study them instead of saying oh this guy said it and he's an archeologist so it's true, here's the evidence, you're stupid, nice tin foil hat.

It's such a shame. It's always A or B, there is no C.

The same logic applies to pretty much everything else. This is one of the main reasons why society keeps going downhill and we see so many people rioting and calling eachother trash and racists etc.

What are your thoughts?

You figured that out on that doomsday thread, didn't you. Definitely showed on that thread. The SAME thing.it's often used as an escape, especially by non scientists.

Science might "explain" more, but it's still just an escape...none the less.

 

[Fountain]

I would ask that you read this in its entirety.

When it comes to the bible, the texts that tell historical events don't align with the evidence found through archaeology. A major example would be the Exodus. There is absolutely no archaeological evidence of Jews even being in Egypt in that time. Also the texts that write about the Exodus were written a thousand years after the claimed time period it takes place in. There are tons of historical inaccuracies which leads to question the credibility of the bible.

When it comes to Dinosaurs, Neanderthals, etc. We do have physical evidence of their existence, such as bones, footprints, DNA samples, tools, artwork, etc.

Yes, there is a lot of dispute about God. But take it from this perspective; we are not saying that there is absolutely no chance of God whatsoever, but based on what we know, it is unlikely.

Science builds on a foundation of observable evidence. It starts small then grows. We have thus far found no evidence to suggest the existence of the supernatural. Whether that might change or not is unforeseeable. But claiming that God exists as a certainty without evidence is disingenuous and unproductive. But if we're talking about an Abrahamic, Islamic, or Christian God; considering that the religious texts have historical inaccuracies, contradictions, and scientific implausibilities, it's safe to say that those Gods, along with all Pagan Gods do not exist. If there is a God, it's not going to be a God that humans have imagined in any religion.

As to blindly following science. Well we're not blindly following it. There is evidence available for us to see. It's just a matter of being able to comprehend that evidence. It's also incredibly important to have peer reviewed science. When scientists make theories or present data, it is then looked upon by other scientists and organizations to verify if what they are proposing is true or not. There is a process to this.

You cannot test religion to see if your God is real, but you can test and reproduce science which makes it real.

Read it in it's entirety. This is an example of what i was referring to Lightbringer. You missed my point.

 

[Lightbringer]

Read it in it's entirety. This is an example of what i was referring to Lightbringer. You missed my point.

Well your point, if I'm not mistaken, was to be be skeptical of everything.

Skepticism is fine, but skepticism also comes in varying degrees. You can't equate skepticism of religion to science when they're not on an even playing field.

If you had 5 different doctors tell you that you had cancer, would you be equally skeptical of their diagnosis as opposed to the one doctor that told you that you were fine?

 

[Leonard Uchiha]

I would ask that you read this in its entirety.

When it comes to the bible, the texts that tell historical events don't align with the evidence found through archaeology. A major example would be the Exodus. There is absolutely no archaeological evidence of Jews even being in Egypt in that time. Also the texts that write about the Exodus were written a thousand years after the claimed time period it takes place in. There are tons of historical inaccuracies which leads to question the credibility of the bible.

No, there are not.

When it comes to Dinosaurs, Neanderthals, etc. We do have physical evidence of their existence, such as bones, footprints, DNA samples, tools, artwork, etc.

Let me guess, the supposed evidence are images you found on the internet. Okay.

Science builds on a foundation of observable evidence. It starts small then grows. We have thus far found no evidence to suggest the existence of the supernatural. Whether that might change or not is unforeseeable. But claiming that God exists as a certainty without evidence is disingenuous and unproductive. But if we're talking about an Abrahamic, Islamic, or Christian God; considering that the religious texts have historical inaccuracies, contradictions, and scientific implausibilities, it's safe to say that those Gods, along with all Pagan Gods do not exist. If there is a God, it's not going to be a God that humans have imagined in any religion.

Christianity has no inaccuracies. None.

As to blindly following science. Well we're not blindly following it. There is evidence available for us to see. It's just a matter of being able to comprehend that evidence. It's also incredibly important to have peer reviewed science. When scientists make theories or present data, it is then looked upon by other scientists and organizations to verify if what they are proposing is true or not. There is a process to this.

It could all be built upon a lie. A section of it. Cosmology, for example, has no evidence behind it, besides what other scientists theorized.

Big Bang Theory is the most bs theory science has ever come up with. It's a theory and yet science proponents believe it like it came from a Bible or Quran.

Imagine an explosion happening in nowhere and then creating intelligent life-forms.

You cannot test religion to see if your God is real, but you can test and reproduce science which makes it real.

You believe a study that would rather tell you that you're an accident over a God that says you're not and have a purpose.

Well your point, if I'm not mistaken, was to be be skeptical of everything.

Skepticism is fine, but skepticism also comes in varying degrees. You can't equate skepticism of religion to science when they're not on an even playing field.

If you had 5 different doctors tell you that you had cancer, would you be equally skeptical of their diagnosis as opposed to the one doctor that told you that you were fine?

If the doctors are following the doctrine of an institution, whose goals and objectives you don't know, will you still trust them?

 

[Lightbringer]

No, there are not.

Let me guess, the supposed evidence are images you found on the internet. Okay.


There is none.

God has Ten Commandments for humanity. If all were complied with, we wouldn't even be in this mess.

Christianity has no inaccuracies. None.

It could all be built upon a lie. A section of it. Cosmology, for example, has no evidence behind it, besides what other scientists theorized.

Big Bang Theory is the most bs theory science has ever come up with. It's a theory and yet science proponents believe it like it came from a Bible or Quran.

Imagine an explosion happening in nowhere and then creating intelligent life-forms.

You believe a study that would rather tell you that you're an accident over a God that says you're not and have a purpose.

So if you're claiming that archaeological evidence that dispute the historical texts of the bible are fake, then what evidence do you have to suggest that the bible is absolutely infallible?

I'm using your own argument against you. Where is your evidence and why is it more credible than archaeological findings?

I believe what is real, not what I'd like to hear. The truth hurts, but is it better to lie to yourself?

 

[Dreckerplayer]

Yeah, this doesn't need to be another bromance argument.

 

[Leonard Uchiha]

So if you're claiming that archaeological evidence that dispute the historical texts of the bible are fake, then what evidence do you have to suggest that the bible is absolutely infallible?

I'm using your own argument against you. Where is your evidence and why is it more credible than archaeological findings?

I believe what is real, not what I'd like to hear. The truth hurts, but is it better to lie to yourself?

Where's the evidence, in your basement? Okay.

Why would I be hurt by lies?

Anyway, I can't say I know the truth, but I could say I'm at least not so dense as to believe CGI photos are real or that there are any planets in space or if there's even space at all...

By the way, how do you like a study that tells you that your perception is wrong and that the earth is spinning at 1000 mp/h but do not even feel it all?

 

[Lightbringer]

Where's the evidence, in your basement? Okay.

Why would I be hurt by lies?

Anyway, I can't say I know the truth, but I could I'm at least not so dense as to believe CGI photos are real or that there are any planets in space or if there's even space at all...

By the way, how do you like a study that tells you that your perception is wrong and that the earth is spinning at 1000 mp/h but do not even feel it all?

Let me ask you this. If God is all-powerful, why did it take him 6 days to create the world?

 

[Dreckerplayer]

And behold! Science and religion!

 

[Leonard Uchiha]

Let me ask you this. If God is all-powerful, why did it take him 6 days to create the world?

Has science figured out why we humans have to sleep?

 

[Lightbringer]

Has science figured out why we humans have to sleep?

You didn't answer my question.

 

[Leonard Uchiha]

You didn't answer my question.

I don't have the answer since the Bible doesn't dilate on the why's.

I'm sure science should have figured out by now how we came out of nonexistence, or how an explosion had the power to create us.

 

[Lightbringer]

I don't have the answer since the Bible doesn't dilate on the why's.

I'm sure science should have figured out by now how we came out of nonexistence, or how an explosion had the power to create us.

So you don't question the fallacy behind a creature that can create anything in an instant to take 6 full days to create a planet and need to rest on the 7th?

There's some solid theories on the origin of life. A lot of quantum physics involved. It's not a simple explanation as an omnipotent being simply popping us into existence.

We are all composed of the same atoms as everything else, except our atoms are just arranged differently and we have different quantities. The basic building blocks of reality are the same for everything, whether it is a star or whether it a diamond.

Ok, another question. Do you believe that the first woman was made out of a man's ribs?

 

[AlphaMaleLion]

Has science figured out why we humans have to sleep?

Yes they did though

 

[Leonard Uchiha]

So you don't question the fallacy behind a creature that create anything in an instant take 6 full days to create a planet and need to rest on the 7th?

God didn't create the universe in an instant.

If we are created in God's image, then God also does think.

In kind, I presume he did think when he created the universe and it's pretty evident that we're not an inadvertent intelligence as science arrogantly conveys it.

There's some solid theories on the origin of life. A lot of quantum physics involved. It's not a simple explanation as an omnipotent being simply popping us into existence.

Theories. Just theories.

And all of them are built on the basis that an explosion, composed of a variety of elements (which came from where exactly?) transpired in nothingness and there we were, an intelligent life-form that is so orderly that it's insane all these creatures are able to co-exist. Yet an explosion was able to do this. To create intelligent life-forms that are perfectly able to co-exist.

We are all composed of the same atoms as everything else, except our atoms are just arranged differently and we have different quantities. The basic building blocks of reality are the same for everything, whether it is a star or whether it a diamond.

Science really knows how to blur the lines between reality and fantasy.

Ok, another question. Do you believe that the first woman was made out of a man's ribs?

What God says.