Sauske Versus Killer Bee: An In Depth Analaysis!

[Arisonius]

it is proper manners to check and see if there is already a thread........you want ppl to reply to yours right???? or you want someone posting the same thing after you and getting all the replies???

like i said dont mean to take sides but same thing was done to me earlier 2day.....its frustrating

You are correct Ssanimo, it is proper edicate to check the forums for previous threads pertaining to the subject matter you are wishing to theorize on. That being said, I looked, I saw, I posted my own. The chapter was so far gone that most of the posts were nearly a month old and I didn't see anything with the depth of my own analysis. That being said, I took a lot of time and thought on this, and proper or improper, there is something to be said for hard work, time, and effort.

That being said, if someone feels the subject matter is played out tey have two options: 1. Don't read the thread.
2. Ask a moderator to merge threads.

I would respect a moderators decision to merge this thread with another, even if I would be a bit disheartened.

I would respect Konoha's beautiful beast more if he had never posted on this thread. At this point its pretty clear to me that he is just here to make arguments and boost his post count. It saddens me.

 

[Avani]

Last response, I need to get going.

1. Seems to me like that's proving my point...

I don't see your point in the first place.

The fight between Sauske and Killer Bee begins during or before the invasion of konoha arc, but not before Naruto arrives. Sauske leaves for konoha before Naruto is back in Konoha.

You are vague. Naruto arrives and leave Konoha all the time. I don't know which departure and arrival you are refferring too.

2. We know )ein left for Konoha AFTER Madara told him too. Madara told him too after Sauske left, because in order fr Sauske to leave madara hd to untie him.

3. No, Jugo said that right after the battle with Killer Bee, not while they were recovering.

4. Itachi used Amaterasu to escape Jiraya's Toads Stomach Jutsu, he didn't think he and Kisame could handle Jiraya. Though Im not sure why you bring this up.

5. I wouldn't call passing out resting...

6. When we first see Pein at Konoha he is with all six bodies and talking to Konan. The summoning you are reffering to
takes place once animal ream is inside the Konohan Barrier Jutsu, its done this way so Konoha gets confused, thinking its only one intruder when actually its seven (if you count Konan.)

I hve to go now. More responses later. Sorry they are taking so long. Internet is slow right now.

Sasuke fought Itachi in 403. Pain kiiled Jiraiya around then. Naruto spent one night worrying about Sasuke when he heard that Itachi was dead but didn't find Sasuke. Next day he mourned JIraiya. Then another day he spent time with Shikamaru disscussing the last message by toad sage.

Sasuke reached the village after Naruto went with Pa frog...

I don't thnk that it matters much in Naruto verse unless the manga writer thins so. Naruto has been training day and night with little rest and mastered sage mode within this time and came back to Konoha right after his training- prpbably with only one third of his chakra.

Killerbee seemed in good mood and without a scrach and probably KIshi was going to use him to show how Sasuke improved next time. ( That maybe one of the reasons to show him that strong). He might get better controle over his powers next time.

It is really not much of a point to disscuss endlessly who would have won among them in other conditions. It is manga not RL. Still at this point if Sasuke reaches village he is going to be annoyed that Naruto again got so much stronger.


My point about mention Itachi was that that ametsrasu in tiring and takes a lot out. Juggo said Sasuke hadn't recovered. Sasuke confirmed. When he tried to pick the glass and his vision blurred.

Itachi used that it only as last resort. Sasuke had never seen it till then. he may not have realised effects of Ametsrasu till later and assumed that he was wounded because of Itachi.

BTW: Naruto has seen it twice. Once from Itachi , second from Madara. and i can't seem to remember when I last saw yamato- I didn't notice him since Kakashi and team left him to deal with black flames to persue Sasuke.

 

[Arisonius]

one single argument would be enough to puuf your theory.such as....if we follow your logic (that logic consists in calculating the end of a match between 2 shinobies by analysing their powers)neji hyuga must be the strongest shinobi of all as his 64 palms would take any ninja.but as we saw he could do nothing against kisame.plus he was helped by 3 more people and kisame was fighting with his 15% chakra.
I think its enough for you for now!

Im saddened that you think your half baked argument is enough to squelch me. At any rate, allow me to obliterate your thery which, need I remind you, HAS NO BASIS EFFECTING THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THIS THREAD!

Here we go.

First of all, check your facts before you speak. Itachi himself said that the Dopplegangar Clone Jutsu required a THIRD of ther chakra. One third is not 15%, its 33.333etc%. Yes, Neji was usless against Kisame. Why? Because he is insanely powerful! Nejis 64 Palm Strike cannot take out any ninja for two reasons: 1. He also has a 128 Palm Strike technique (why would you need more strikes if 64 can take out any ninja)
2. There are ways around that technique (See Neji VS Naruto.)

The ONLY reason team guy won that fight is because Guy released all eight of his chakra gates. Do you know how strong and fast that mde Guy? He felt he was facing an opponent so strong that he had to open all eight gates and RISK HIS LIFE!

Guy is not a noob, he knows what he's doing. I honestly think that Kisame is one of the strongest Ninjas in Akatsuki, but we haven't seen him fight much because Itachi doesn't like fighting and prefers avoidance to conflict.

Lets not forget that Guy went Eight Gates on a clone that only had 33% of the originals chara. If it had been Kisame himself I think that both Lee and Guy would have had to go Eight Gates and that still probarbly would not have been enough.

I think that's good enough for you.

 

[Avani]

You are correct Ssanimo, it is proper edicate to check the forums for previous threads pertaining to the subject matter you are wishing to theorize on. That being said, I looked, I saw, I posted my own. The chapter was so far gone that most of the posts were nearly a month old and I didn't see anything with the depth of my own analysis. That being said, I took a lot of time and thought on this, and proper or improper, there is something to be said for hard work, time, and effort.

I see your point Arisonius and agree that Konoha's beast could have been polite or ignored this thread, but your answer to Ssanimano is disappointing as well...


If you saw the similar thread, it didn't matter if it was one month old. Even if you post your own thread don't belittle it by saying that there were no as in depth analysis as yours.

If people are not going to get in as deep as you that means they are not going to answer you in new thread either.
On the other hand you can turn the disscussion deep by giving them thought provoking fodder to chew upon.

Who cares about about the damn post count? Does this forum encashes those counts?

 

[Arisonius]

I don't see your point in the first place.



You are vague. Naruto arrives and leave Konoha all the time. I don't know which departure and arrival you are refferring too.




Sasuke fought Itachi in 403. Pain kiiled Jiraiya around then. Naruto spent one night worrying about Sasuke when he heard that Itachi was dead but didn't find Sasuke. Next day he mourned JIraiya. Next day he spent time with Shikamaru disscussing the last message by toad sage.

Sasuke reached the village after Naruto went with Pa frog...

I don't thnk that it matters much in Naruto verse unless the manga writer thins so. Naruto has been training day and night with little rest and mastered sage mode within this time and came back to Konoha right after his training- prpbably with only one third of his chakra.

Killerbee seemed in good mood and without a scrach and probably KIshi was going to use him to show how Sasuke improved next time. ( That maybe one of the reasons to show him that strong). He might get better controle over his powers next time.

It is really not much of a point to disscuss endlessly who would have won among them in other conditions. It is manga not RL. Still at this point if Sasuke reaches village he is going to be annoyed that Naruto again got so much stronger.


My point about mention Itachi was that that ametsrasu in tiring and takes a lot out. Juggo said Sasuke hadn't recovered. Sasuke confirmed. When he tried to pick the glass and his vision blurred.

Itachi used that it only as last resort. Sasuke had never seen it.Still he may not have realised effects of Ametsrasu till later.

BTW: Naruto has seen it twice. Once from Itachi , second from Madara. and i can't seem to remember when I last saw yamato- I didn't notice him since Kakashi and team left him to deal with black flames to persue Sasuke.

I think we can both agree on two things: The timeline is very hard to pinpoint, and it doesn't matter.

My point in this whole thing is that Sauske fought Diedara, recovered a little but not all the way (he was being chased down by Naruto and gang and had to leave quickly)
Then he pretty immediately gets into the fight with Itachis Flock of Crows Clone, and pretty soon after that Sauske fights Itachi himself. During the battle he gets injured badly and suffers chakra exhaustion. He passes out. When he wakes up he doesn't seem to be 100%, but he sees madara, amaterasu is cas aganst his will, once again straining him physcially and probarbly draining a good portion of his chakra. It is unclear how soon he goes to fight Killer Bee, but at the very least we know h was still injured because Jugo says it right after the fight.

I am not talking aout in the cottage or whatever, I am talking about while they are still on the battlefeild. Why would he think Sauske is still injured by Itachi if your argument is true ad he's just weary from using Tsukiomi and Amaterasu during the battle? Jugo realized Sauske wasn't fighting at 100% and said so.

Got to get back on the road. More later.

 

[Avani]

I think we can both agree on two things: The timeline is very hard to pinpoint, and it doesn't matter.

My point in this whole thing is that Sauske fought Diedara, recovered a little but not all the way (he was being chased down by Naruto and gang and had to leave quickly)
Then he pretty immediately gets into the fight with Itachis Flock of Crows Clone, and pretty soon after that Sauske fights Itachi himself. During the battle he gets injured badly and suffers chakra exhaustion. He passes out. When he wakes up he doesn't seem to be 100%, but he sees madara, amaterasu is cas aganst his will, once again straining him physcially and probarbly draining a good portion of his chakra. It is unclear how soon he goes to fight Killer Bee, but at the very least we know h was still injured because Jugo says it right after the fight.

I am not talking aout in the cottage or whatever, I am talking about while they are still on the battlefeild. Why would he think Sauske is still injured by Itachi if your argument is true ad he's just weary from using Tsukiomi and Amaterasu during the battle? Jugo realized Sauske wasn't fighting at 100% and said so.

Got to get back on the road. More later.

I agree that time line cannot be pin pointed. Kishi will point it out when he needs it particularly otherwise he won't make it difficult for himself. So is exhaution of the characters. In Gara resuce arc Kakashi and Gui both teams had to get into one battle after another and being on raod constantly moving.... Naruto is not 100% either.- a lot of times recently he ends up in the arena straight from the training - exhausted.

I don't really care about Sasuke being at 100% when he fought with KB. KB was stronger. If sasuke would have been at 100%, he would have been facing KB with his beast. You just don't know who would won untill he did.

By the apperance of the things, Eght tails comments and his relatively easy escape, we didn't see 100% of KB either.

The whole debate is on speculations and personal opinions and feelings. There is just not enough factual data to reach any sort of definite conclusion.

 

[sageofmyobokuzan]

so after reading all the posts on this thread i am really quite surprised that people are still posting, half the people posting in here are saying how stupid this thread is and that its a waste of time. well then why the f*ck r u reading this thread no offense, and konoha beautif beast, you said you dont like threads like this because it is making people leave nb...then why dont you go create good threads that will attract more people to join nb???? i mean if you got your law degree at 20 years old than im guessing youre a smart guy which means you should be able to put those critical thinking skills to some use and formulate some good threads. also im not sure if you meant it like this(i apologize if i am wrong) but you said you made a thread exactly like this, but yet you are saying how utterly stupid this thread is??? if its such a stupid thread then why did you create one just like it?????
and arisonius, itachi did hold back against sasuke, had he wanted to he could have stabbed sasuke with totsuka if he wanted to, but he didnt, and also kb is stronger than sasuke, even if sasuke went into the fight still recovering, he had karen there, who healed him back to life, and from what it looked after she healed him he was in perfect condition, not chakra wise, but certainly health wise, and sasuke may have been recovering but his team wasnt and from what the manga showed us juugo and sugeitsu couldnt do anything, so not only did he basically kill sasuke twice, he destroyed sugeitsu, almost killed karin and left juugo in kid form crying, sounds like one. kb didnt get hurt, hachibi lost 2-3 tails, which really only means he lost chakra because thats all a bijuu is, chakra in physical form, its not like they are real animals or anything.

 

[Fastlikesnail]

Im sorry that you are jealous of my analytical prowess,

That's a bit arrogant...don't you think?

Anyways: the point of the post. First off, throughout Sasuke's battle with Bee...Bee always, and I mean always, had the upper hand.

He stabbed Sasuke once, who needed Karin's help to get back up. Next, he punched Sasuke's throat out. I don't think you can argue by any stretch of the imagination that Sasuke would have lived through that without Juugo's reviving help. Thirdly, even in his "defeat" he was thinking ahead of Sasuke, he used Sasuke's attack to allow himself to get out of his service to his country (which he was growing tired of), it's worth mentioning that so far Bee is the only non-Sharingan (sp?) to survive Ameratasu (I'm gonna be spelling the names wrong, meh).

Secondly: the "He was fighting to capture" argument doesn't work either. Tailed beasts are probably much harder to kill than normal ninja, and we've also learned that you don't really need to hold back to capture and not kill in this universe.

Third: You can argue that Sasuke wasn't at 100% strength...but you have to admit that he was at least at 90% strength, he wasn't weak at all, and Bee crushed him. If it weren't for Sasuke's companions, Sasuke would be a corpse: There is no way you can argue against this.

You can probably see, that I disagree very much with the general point made in your post. There is no way that, if they meet again, Sasuke will beat Bee 1v1. I will consent that, in the event that they do meet again as enemies, Sasuke will be able to prevail, however, it will be with the backup of Suigetsu, Juugo and Karin: not alone. Also: Sasuke will have to grow a bit in power before this happens.

Let me end by saying I appreciate your theory...I just think you're underestimating Bee and overestimating Sasuke. Also: I overuse the colon.

 

[Arisonius]

I agree that time line cannot be pin pointed. Kishi will point it out when he needs it particularly otherwise he won't make it difficult for himself. So is exhaution of the characters. In Gara resuce arc Kakashi and Gui both teams had to get into one battle after another and being on raod constantly moving.... Naruto is not 100% either.- a lot of times recently he ends up in the arena straight from the training - exhausted.

I don't really care about Sasuke being at 100% when he fought with KB. KB was stronger. If sasuke would have been at 100%, he would have been facing KB with his beast. You just don't know who would won untill he did.

By the apperance of the things, Eght tails comments and his relatively easy escape, we didn't see 100% of KB either.

The whole debate is on speculations and personal opinions and feelings. There is just not enough factual data to reach any sort of definite conclusion.

Definate conclusions in narto are made one of two ways: Admission of defeat by an opponent or defeat of an opponent by death.

Even that last one is debated by fans. (I.E. Sauske VS Itachi)

So you're right, my entire theory is based on speculation. That is why my first few words to start this thread were "In this theory..." and I frequently use phrases such as "I think..." "In my opinion..." etc. When you see me use a definate term it means I am about to give evidence directly contradicting what you have just said or stated.

 

[Arisonius]

...
and arisonius, itachi did hold back against sasuke, had he wanted to he could have stabbed sasuke with totsuka if he wanted to, but he didnt, and also kb is stronger than sasuke, even if sasuke went into the fight still recovering, he had karen there, who healed him back to life, and from what it looked after she healed him he was in perfect condition, not chakra wise, but certainly health wise, and sasuke may have been recovering but his team wasnt and from what the manga showed us juugo and sugeitsu couldnt do anything, so not only did he basically kill sasuke twice, he destroyed sugeitsu, almost killed karin and left juugo in kid form crying, sounds like one. kb didnt get hurt, hachibi lost 2-3 tails, which really only means he lost chakra because thats all a bijuu is, chakra in physical form, its not like they are real animals or anything.

First off, Sage, I'd like to thank you for defending my thread. Also, thank you for posting.

While its true that Karin healed him, I don't think she had the ability to heal him fully. If you look at him after Karin heals him he seems rather fatigued still.

With Jugo, I think te healing is more complete, but I could make a case that chakra use, especiallyit's over use, has a negative form on the user. This is obviously the case if you look at what happened to Jugo after he healed Sauske, and I'd find other examples but I'm a little tired at the moment. If you want them I will find them in the morning.

As for Jugo and Suigetsu being useless, I agree, but only partially. I think it's important to remember that Sauske didn't form this team to fight Killer Bee, it was formed so he could fight Itachi.

Juugo obviously is very strong because he slames Killer Bee, I will admit we don't see any resulting damage.

As for Suigetsu, he is obviously very skilled with Water Ninjitsu. This being the case he is weak against someone like Killer Bee who's nature element is Lightning. Even so, he managed to hold his own, if only for a moment (he blocked an attack), against a fully transformed Killer Bee.

You are right, Killer Bee came out of this fight looking, for the most part, unschathed. I think that this is mostly due to his Beast Tranformation, as ? honestly believe that Amaterasu would have killed him had it not been for Habachi who had to sacrifce a few of his tails of Killer Bee's sake.

So then, what is the greater determination of damages? Those suffered by Sauske, or those suffered by Habachi? To my knowledge, the feat of getting a Bijuu to lose its tails (weither he did it voluntarily to save Killer Bee or not) has been previously unheard of in the series.

I honestly doubt Habachi would have given up the tails if he had seen another way out, because I don't think that they will grow back. I currently have no evidence to prove this, other than the fact that Akatsuki was able to seal one tial of Habachi's, so we will have to wait and see what the manga says about that. We probarbly won't find out until we see Killer Bee again.

 

[Arisonius]

I see your point Arisonius and agree that Konoha's beast could have been polite or ignored this thread, but your answer to Ssanimano is disappointing as well...


If you saw the similar thread, it didn't matter if it was one month old. Even if you post your own thread don't belittle it by saying that there were no as in depth analysis as yours.

If people are not going to get in as deep as you that means they are not going to answer you in new thread either.
On the other hand you can turn the disscussion deep by giving them thought provoking fodder to chew upon.

Who cares about about the damn post count? Does this forum encashes those counts?

I aplogize for not noticing this post sooner, I've been busy and it slipped through the cracks.

I didn't mean to belittle anyone elses thread on this subject matter, I was pointing out something I feel to be true. Granted, I did not read every single word of every single thread when I searched "Sauske Killer Bee", I simply don't have the time to sift through all the posts.

Besides, sometimes a new thread on an old subject can shed new light. I have stated many times that my main goal here on NarutoBase is to debate, discuss, and get people thinking. I live to provoke thought.

As for post counts, I could care less. However, some people out there see a number and want to make it as big as possible. I'm sorry, but the fact of the matter is that some people post usless comments that consist of nothing more than a few words, and those words don't contain anything similar to "thank you." The only reason I can see for such a post is to increase one's post-count.

 

[uzmarvel]

I think you r wrong on some issues:

1. Killerbee was definitely stronger than sasuke. He couldn't catch up to Killerbee in speed. You're considering only Kirin as an unbeatable jutsu of Sasuke, but it's wrong, wrong. Killerbee fought 1 vs 4 and STILL got upper hand. He deliberately let himself cought. Don't forget that. So Killerbee >> Sasuke.

2. Itachi vs Sasuke. Throughout the fight Sasuke fought with his full strength to kill Itachi but Itachi fought with cautious not to kill Sasuke and he succeeded. If he used Susanno to defend from Kirin, then its his jutsu and way of fighting. You can never say that he would've died if hadn't used Susanno. This was stupid thinking. So, Itachi >> Sasuke.

One more thing. In the beginning you stated that it's open for criticism, so be it. It was wrong that you accused sb else of being jealous of your "flawless" ideas and way of thinking.

Don't get me wrong. I liked your post about Itachi and Madara. But this thread was indeed senseless.

Cheers.

p.s. I don't think this thread deserves reps (as for me of course).

 

[konoha s beautiful beast]

Im saddened that you think your half baked argument is enough to squelch me. At any rate, allow me to obliterate your thery which, need I remind you, HAS NO BASIS EFFECTING THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THIS THREAD!

Here we go.

First of all, check your facts before you speak. Itachi himself said that the Dopplegangar Clone Jutsu required a THIRD of ther chakra. One third is not 15%, its 33.333etc%. Yes, Neji was usless against Kisame. Why? Because he is insanely powerful! Nejis 64 Palm Strike cannot take out any ninja for two reasons: 1. He also has a 128 Palm Strike technique (why would you need more strikes if 64 can take out any ninja)
2. There are ways around that technique (See Neji VS Naruto.)

The ONLY reason team guy won that fight is because Guy released all eight of his chakra gates. Do you know how strong and fast that mde Guy? He felt he was facing an opponent so strong that he had to open all eight gates and RISK HIS LIFE!

Guy is not a noob, he knows what he's doing. I honestly think that Kisame is one of the strongest Ninjas in Akatsuki, but we haven't seen him fight much because Itachi doesn't like fighting and prefers avoidance to conflict.

Lets not forget that Guy went Eight Gates on a clone that only had 33% of the originals chara. If it had been Kisame himself I think that both Lee and Guy would have had to go Eight Gates and that still probarbly would not have been enough.

I think that's good enough for you.

I advice you to read manga ettentively.it was not itachi who used his 1/3 chakra to make that clones of himself and kisame,it was kisame...thats one,and also...kisame made BOTH clones using his 1/3 chakra which means each of clones had about 15-16% of chakra.
why did you begin to talk about gai?we all know everything you tiped very well.
its about neji my "friend".yes he has 128 strikes but all you need is 64 strikes as human has 64 chakra spots.we are not talking about naruto either.I am talking about neji vs kisame.with that jentle fiest he must have been able to defeat him with ease but as we all saw it did not happen
and as for naruto...neji could have repeated 64 palms teqnique and drain demon fox chakra out of him as well...so what do we get?
in theory everything is possible but it has no point colculating who will win cause its simply impossible!

 

[Avani]

I agree with uzmarvel. They were four against one and you have already tried in your last post to prove that they were all quite strong. Yet Their team ended up licking the floor.

KB escaped and eight tailed lost his tantacles to fascilitate his spur of the moment plan. that's all. We have yet to see any evidence against it.

We didn't see, eight-tailed complaining to KB that he lost his limbs during fight to save him. Instead, he said he had the upper hand. Why? Shouldn't he say that "I had to lose my limbs to save you. You were weak." He was annoyed at the KB's plan and not impressed with in the least.

 

[konoha s beautiful beast]

I think you r wrong on some issues:

1. Killerbee was definitely stronger than sasuke. He couldn't catch up to Killerbee in speed. You're considering only Kirin as an unbeatable jutsu of Sasuke, but it's wrong, wrong. Killerbee fought 1 vs 4 and STILL got upper hand. He deliberately let himself cought. Don't forget that. So Killerbee >> Sasuke.

2. Itachi vs Sasuke. Throughout the fight Sasuke fought with his full strength to kill Itachi but Itachi fought with cautious not to kill Sasuke and he succeeded. If he used Susanno to defend from Kirin, then its his jutsu and way of fighting. You can never say that he would've died if hadn't used Susanno. This was stupid thinking. So, Itachi >> Sasuke.

One more thing. In the beginning you stated that it's open for criticism, so be it. It was wrong that you accused sb else of being jealous of your "flawless" ideas and way of thinking.

Don't get me wrong. I liked your post about Itachi and Madara. But this thread was indeed senseless.

Cheers.

p.s. I don't think this thread deserves reps (as for me of course).

thank you!

 

[Arisonius]

thank you!

I will not conceede, but I am going to discontinue. The same points are bing brought up time and time gain, and Im tired of defending them time and time again. When Sauske and Killer Bee fight again, Sauske will take him on 1:1. We will see who is victorious at that point.

 

[konoha s beautiful beast]

I doubt they will fight ever again

 

[Avani]

I will not conceede, but I am going to discontinue. The same points are bing brought up time and time gain, and Im tired of defending them time and time again. When Sauske and Killer Bee fight again, Sauske will take him on 1:1. We will see who is victorious at that point.

I doubt Sasuke will ever fight him one on one. But if he did, he would do only when he gets better controle over his eye technique. No next fight is the same ever- the level of fighters keeps changing all the time in Naruto verse. Not to forget that he is a Sharingan user - a copy cat.

As for the same point being brought up again- I pointed out the obvious flaw in your analysis when I referred to KB and eight tailed chat. your are just ignoring what is being said there by them. That's hard fact - nothing to defend unless you can prove that he didn't say that.

I didn't expect you to simply ignore/deny something if you find it inconvinient to your view.

Either way I am going to discontinue myself. Reading the pannel with KB and eight tailed again just reminded me how simple things were. There was no depth in the scenario to start with, till we decided to make it complicated.

Anyway, it was nice chatting over it. I had really a bad day yesterday and this debate helped me take my mind of with RL unlpleasntness and was a good distraction. So thanks .

 

[uzmarvel]

The ONLY reason team guy won that fight is because Guy released all eight of his chakra gates. Do you know how strong and fast that mde Guy? He felt he was facing an opponent so strong that he had to open all eight gates and RISK HIS LIFE!

Guy is not a noob, he knows what he's doing. I honestly think that Kisame is one of the strongest Ninjas in Akatsuki, but we haven't seen him fight much because Itachi doesn't like fighting and prefers avoidance to conflict.

Lets not forget that Guy went Eight Gates on a clone that only had 33% of the originals chara. If it had been Kisame himself I think that both Lee and Guy would have had to go Eight Gates and that still probarbly would not have been enough.

I think that's good enough for you.

Plz, do NOT underestimate Gai.

1. Go and watch or read again. He opened that Gate only because others were in danger. If he did not hurry, TenTen would have died.

2. When Gai opened Gates, 30% Kisame was able to do NOTHING. It doesn't mean that Gai defeated him BARELY. Kisame couldn't even understand what was happening. It was just "What the ...., or He is fast...". We don't know what would have happened if Gai used 8 Gates against full Kisame. You can't argue that it was barely enough, it was just to finish it quickly as possible. [Remember Lee saying, Now it IS finished. Loool].

200% can defeat 30%, at the same time 100% as well. Do not underrate 8 Gates. You don't know how much stronger 8 Gates Gai was.

In this fight, it wasn't like 1 vs 4 [Team Hawk] but looked like Gai was defending his students as well at the same time.

I personally think that full Kisame cannot catch up to 8 Gates. Just my opinion. No offense.

Just debate man. Don't get me wrong. It's fun to do it without aggression. .

 

[uzmarvel]

In NarutoWorld we rarely see battle between two specific characters more than once. I think, Kishi wanted to show that Sasuke needs more than that to defeat 8-Tails. Naruto is fictional so we have to consider the authors thinking or work, not our emotional or personal love/like/fan.

Cheers.

Anbu