Sorry but it's really not about what you believe, but what has been proven. We've got two narratives, and none of them got proven beyond a doubt, in which case due to the assumption of innocence and the principle 'in dubio pro reo', he got to be acquitted.
Saudi millionaire 'accidentally tripped and penetrated' girl. doesn't go to jail
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In Us people probably 50% of rapists in jail are innocent so they're salty about Uk not doing things their way which is guilty untill proven innocent with no proof just because the woman said so.
or people can stop murdering common sense
Not really
if anyone tells him he impregnated his GF while masturbating without touching her i will call him moron just like the dat Saudi prince and his lawyer alongside the Judgement
"After swabs taken from the alleged victim found traces of his semen in her vagina, he said he may have accidentally penetrated her when he fell on her as she pulled him on top of her. "
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^ That's the man's narrative, according to which it was the girl that pulled him onto herself and that's when he may have penetrated her, and that's how the semen got there.
According to your article, there is another possibility proposed by the man:
"He said it was possible he had semen on his hands from having *** with a 24-year-old woman earlier"
So the man was not even sure if he had penetrated the girl, or not. Which, of course, might be a lie, but it can be true as well. Hard to believe? Maybe. Again, I did admit that it's a less plausible version than that of him having tried to rape the girl -as the girl claims. But there is no proof here beyond doubt to support one narrative over the other. F.e, I'd expect a girl who wakes up to a man trying to penetrate her, to start screaming and srcatching and putting up a fight, but we see no evidence that happened (or maybe I just don't know how do women behave, after all I'm not a woman, but if someone is more acquainted with rape cases and the psychology of rape, I'm here to listen). So, all my point is that of course it's easier to say that 'oh it was rape', I guess I could also just believe it, but I have my doubts and I think these doubts are valid and legit. If I were a juror, I couldn't send this man to jail with a clear conscience. If I'm a bad or stupid person for that- ok, go ahead and criticize me *shrug*
Common sense according to whom? What's the common sense when it comes to rape, especially such cases?
Because you seem to be suggesting an assumption of guilt in rape cases.
Then let me ask you, what has convinced you beyond a reasonable doubt that the man raped the girl and she said the truth? What's your proof there?
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Parading around naked getting water and beer from the refrigerator without bothering to wash his hand, fetching the largest T shirt he owned while still having that dirty hand and offering it to a sleeping woman who didn't ask for it...and all this while the semen stays on hand to be accidentally get put in, while not getting rubbed of on everything, funny story.
Frankly I would like to be able to hire the lawyer this guy had, if I ever get in trouble with law.
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Obviously mine or any sensible person reacting to a news
thats why i made my post
Nothing.Its news and that was my reaction
If you are telling me that No their is a grand conspiracy in this thread or that news and the guy is innocent then prove it rather than asking me to do so :lol
Yeah either the lawyer was pretty good or the judge was high on meth cough money cough
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There is a possibility that jury didn't believe either side but thought that the girl put herself at risk by going with strangers and many believe that itself is asking for trouble. Poorly made case by prosecution and a good a defense lawyer help.
A third possibility in case of a poor prosecution case- One could bribe the prosecuting authority instead of buying out the whole jury.
Either way- Now I know better than to drink anything out of refrigerator of a millionaire..
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So I'm not a sensible person because I think differently and I take factors into consideration that you don't?
Let's stop for a second and reflect on our roles here.
Let's say I'm a juror an you're the prosecutor. How are you gonna convince me that this man is guilty of rape? What's your proof beyond a reasonable doubt? That there were remnants of semen found on the girl's body so common sense dictates it must be rape?
So, according to the laws of physics and nature, it is impossible that the girl tried to pull him over herself and his jizzy penis touched her vagina? Sorry but that's not really convincing, and insulting a juror to not be sensible is kind of not nice you know.
Now let's say you're the juror and I'm the advocate. Okay, I don't really have to prove anything, the burden of proof lies on the prosecution. I was just trying to point out that apart from your appeal to 'common sense', there is no conclusive proof based on corroborating evidence that the man's story is a lie and the girl said the truth. As Kagetora proposed, a thrid possibility is that both of them lied. Now of course you are still free to vote guilty, but that's apparently not how the jury voted. Of course you have the right to criticize them, but legally it's a tenable decision. I don't think I lack common sense simply for disagreeing with you. That's ad hominem argumentation, again. Not something upon which you can send someone to jail, but of course it's good for a post on an animeforum. As for the possiblity of bribe, there is no proof of that either.
Read the above. You don't seem to understand what the burden of proof is.
Let me add that as I pointed out several times, I'm also more inclined to believe the girl's story, but even in her version there are things that don't add up. F.e, why would the guy bother sneaking up to her when a naked woman was already sleeping next to him? And by the way common sense, my common sense would dictate that a 18 yrs old girl doesn't go have fun with a middle aged saudi millionaire, getting drunk.
Also, why would it be so impossible that the girls were the ones asking him to go take them to his home, they got drunk, the man was off with the older girl, but the younger one didn't want to miss the fun either, so she tried to have *** with the man? Then when the man refused, she really got embarrassed and later accused him. It's not unheard of that teenage girls do stupid stuff they regret later, and they launch a lawsuit later. Again, it might not sound plausible to you, but then you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it's not what happened, it couldn't have happened that way and the girl's story was true altogether. I'll be waiting for you proof, apart from 'it's common sense' argument.
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Something about this ain't right:
- 'Her eyes were closed, she opened her eyes straight away, it was like a giggle and straight away she kissed me and I kissed her back – I'm not proud of it, but I would never have done anything else.'
- In her evidence, the complainant claimed she had pushed him off her, but he said if she had done so he would have fallen backward over the coffee table.
- 'If she had pushed me I would have ended up in the hospital,' he said. 'I'm very fragile, it's very, very narrow between my table and the couch.'
He could have twisted the story and argued the 18 yr. the old girl was saving his life by grabbing onto him, but Saudi must have misunderstood and thought it was a pass.
- 'Her eyes were closed, she opened her eyes straight away, it was like a giggle and straight away she kissed me and I kissed her back – I'm not proud of it, but I would never have done anything else.'
- In her evidence, the complainant claimed she had pushed him off her, but he said if she had done so he would have fallen backward over the coffee table.
- 'If she had pushed me I would have ended up in the hospital,' he said. 'I'm very fragile, it's very, very narrow between my table and the couch.'
He could have twisted the story and argued the 18 yr. the old girl was saving his life by grabbing onto him, but Saudi must have misunderstood and thought it was a pass.
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how can you trip and penetrate? who would even buy the story? I don't know if I should be mad or laughing.
Not in my opinion as you were the first one to jump in support of some rapist clown
I am not here to play a sitcom drama on it
Lets be honest if i would have said the same about Donald Trump i don't think you would have any objection with that
As a said i don't need too
You are uselessly stretching the issue and trying to debate on my reaction by pointing out news is false based on your conspiracy theory
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The man said that he may have penetrated her. He was not even certain about it. He also said that the semen might have gotten on her body from his earlier intercourse with the other woman. Why didn't he wash his hands? No idea, but it's not proof of anything that you think he should have washed his hands. Besides, I haven't ever waken up after a drunk one night stand so may I be corrected by the more experienced fellows here, but for all I know, a man waking up after a drunken night is probably not in the best shape, probably having headache...etc. Again, why would he bother sneaking up to the girl when a naked woman is already lying next to him, why would he rape a teen when he is a millionaire and he can buy girls if he wants? Why would he risk his career, especially that he has no criminal record, right?
Anyway, I don't know about the legal definition of rape in Enland, but here in order for the crime of rape to be fulfilled, you don't even have to penetrate the woman. It's enough if the two genitals touch. For which you don't need an erection.
anyway, saying that the story is bizarre, is not proof ._. Of course it's bizarre, but what has convinced you that it's not possible?
What's your proof again, that the court/jury was bribed?
If you accuse someone of a crime, you have to prove it. The man was acquitted, so him being a racist clown is just your assumption of which you have no real proof. Also, there is an other legal principle you shall learn: everyone has the right for defense.
What on earth do I have to do with Donald Trump or what does this case have to do with the American elections? Lol, making assumptinons about me, very very weak. I don't care much about Donald Trump, I never even commented on him, so...
What conspiracy theory? It 's you conspiring that the jury/court must have been bribed. Again, what's your proof?
And yes if you do accuse someone of being a rapist, I'd expect you to prove it. You're arguing out of ignorance at this point.
I'm sorry if you think I'm stretching the issue, than stop answering *shrug* I think it's important to take all possibilities into consideration, especially if we're about to decide over the fate of another person. Sure, if the girl was raped, then the man shall be punished severly, but again, what's your proof?
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What conspiracy theory, again? Just becaue you keep repeating something, it won't be true. Are you Goebbels or what? xD
It's you conspiring that the verdict is a crook.
You just said that this saudi man is a rapist. You accused him of a crime.
Yes you reacted to a news, and I reacted to your reaction. It's not about beliefs. You don't believe tha saudi guy? Alright. Don't. But then, with the same effort, I don't see why I should rather believe the girl.
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