Wrong. I put my argument on a higher pedestal than yours because what I'm saying is supported by the Manga, meanwhile what you are saying is not. You made it up, which is why you don't provide the proof when you are asked to. Don't make stupid excuses to try and cover up the fact you have no ground to stand on.
You also need to learn to use your common sense. Speed in science is distance over time, but speed is also abstractly described as "how fast" one can accomplish tasks or do something whether it be fiction or reality. In that sense, Hiraishin when coupled with the user's reflexes is speed. What you are arguing is akin to a scenario where the shinobi are on a treadmill and we're tracking how fast they can move. That's an irrelevant scenario. The concept of speed in this Manga isn't just how much distance one can cross in a given timeframe. Otherwise Minato dodging Ay w/ Hiraishin wouldn't be a speed feat.
What you also need to do is stop this pathetic strawman fallacy you keep throwing into each post you make. Hiraishin itself is not speed nor has anyone stated that teleportation itself is distance/time. Hiraishin (Or any instant teleportation) combined with the reactions of the person who employs it are what determine their overall speed. Read and comprehend that carefully or don't address me again. Nothing is worse than arguing with someone who likes to make up points to argue against.
Actually you're wrong. Everything I stated was indicated by the Manga. The problem with you is that; you think things indicated holds no substantiality, when in fact it does if there's logic behind it and borders on its main component. Indication by definition is pointing out what a specific notion denote, and by that it's rather stupid to expect scans from something that's part of a holistic.
I need common sense? You sire need to comprehend what's not, what's if, what is. You say speed is abstractly described as how fast? Fine. You say Hirashin is speed because it employed the term "how fast?" We have a problem. Instant movement upon referring its characteristics suggest there's no time-frame between points. Thus, you can't subject the case moving instant to how fast, when there's no how fast. It's simply instant.
There's the saying that, it's not true lest proven otherwise. In your case, I think we can alter the statement to; It's not true if you don't understand it. Such is the case am corrupting your arguments. I'm simply outlining what they indicate, which are very much illogical. Whether you like it or not, suggesting Hirashin coupled with reflex speed determines a person's overall speed is simply saying Hirashin itself is a part of speed. Just as it is when saying [L] [T]^2 determines the dimensional accuracy of the equation of acceleration. In this case, [L] is a part of acceleration.
There seems to be an misrepresentation of feats, in the anime/manga. While Naruto's strength and speed should surpass Sasukes' even in Sage mode...yet Naruto is shown to be equal to sasuke in speed while in Chakra mode/Sage mode mixed together. It's so strange.
They shouldn't be equal in that mode, to be honest. And if I'm not mistaken, Naruto can use his dad's teleportation jutsu...but hasn't used it since.
And it's so strange how they over use chakra mode, instead of just using Sage mode, first.
All your statement does is prove that sagemode is overrated, kurama mode (in general) is needed to rival MS+ sasuke in just about everything. (movement, reflexes, durability, striking power, even jutsus) at the very most, sagemode reflexes could compete with adult sasuke but even then it's only because base naruto's feats was shown holding it's own with momo. (manga only)
He states Hiraishin isn' t like Shunshin (which is a fact), just before saying Hiraishin is like Shunshin (which is a fanfic).
The logic of this guy is beyond this world.
I think they are equal in Raw foot speed and blitzing at least when Naruto in modes but Naruto have edges over Sasuke in reaction speed but modeless Naruto(Base Naruto) is slower than Sasuke.
In manga before they got power-up Sasuke constantly showing his better speed feats infront of Naruto. Blitzing many Shinobi and speed scene after Sasuke killed Danzo.
Actually you're wrong. Everything I stated was indicated by the Manga. The problem with you is that; you think things indicated holds no substantiality, when in fact it does if there's logic behind it and borders on its main component. Indication by definition is pointing out what a specific notion denote, and by that it's rather stupid to expect scans from something that's part of a holistic.
I need common sense? You sire need to comprehend what's not, what's if, what is. You say speed is abstractly described as how fast? Fine. You say Hirashin is speed because it employed the term "how fast?" We have a problem. Instant movement upon referring its characteristics suggest there's no time-frame between points. Thus, you can't subject the case moving instant to how fast, when there's no how fast. It's simply instant.
There's the saying that, it's not true lest proven otherwise. In your case, I think we can alter the statement to; It's not true if you don't understand it. Such is the case am corrupting your arguments. I'm simply outlining what they indicate, which are very much illogical. Whether you like it or not, suggesting Hirashin coupled with reflex speed determines a person's overall speed is simply saying Hirashin itself is a part of speed. Just as it is when saying [L] [T]^2 determines the dimensional accuracy of the equation of acceleration. In this case, [L] is a part of acceleration.
If what you were saying was supported you would've at least cited the Manga in some way, shape or form. That simple. What you are saying is bullshit fanfic no matter how many ridiculous excuses you make.
The author of this Manga used a teleportation technique to call a shinobi the fastest man alive. There is nothing left for you to do but concede before you make yourself look any more foolish than you already have. Yes Sid the Science Kid, we know that Hiraishin isn't literally SPEED= Distance/Time as it's instant movement, but that's not what is being referred to when speed is referred to here. If you don't like it then you'll have to deal with it elsewhere. Your arguments will continue to remain irrelevant until you understand that simple fact.
When people talk about the fastest shinobi the feats that are always referenced are:
-Who can said shinobi evade?
-Who can said shinobi catch/tag?
Your whole problem is that you are trying to argue against the notion that people are saying Hiraishin has something to do with speed=distance/time, but that's you using a strawman fallacy once again.
Reaction speed is a type of speed yet it's separate from speed=distance/time as you can't measure distance when talking about someone's mental or physical reactions yet you don't see people here typing walls about how reaction speed isn't speed. Stop making excuses. Stop trying to argue against something so simple to understand. You're arguing to argue at this point and that shit is annoying.
He states Hiraishin isn' t like Shunshin (which is a fact), just before saying Hiraishin is like Shunshin (which is a fanfic).
The logic of this guy is beyond this world.
You need to let go of whatever pathetic obsession you have with me and stay in your pitiful lane. I shouldn't bother with the rest of your post because it's pretty obvious English isn't your first language, so you don't realize how stupid what you just posted really is, but I will anyway.
Where did I say Hiraishin is like Shunshin? Nowhere. I said that the visual effect to people who cannot perceive Naruto's movements is similar. :lol Pull your head out of your ass before addressing me again. Nobody likes a delusional dickriding clown ass trick of a poster.
Like I said, if you are going to argue against fact and babble about irrelevant nonsense you can do us both a favor and stop quoting me. Hiraishin is teleportation and has never been described as high speed movement by any databook created by Kishimoto and his team. End of story. Don't be one of those idiots that types a lot but says nothing of value.
This has been addressed. Hyperbole doesn't invalidate what is meant to be taken seriously. If your fragile pea sized brain can't handle that you know where the logout button is you retarded little shit of a poster.
Unless you show us why it's wrong I can. Now stop making stupid excuses please. Where did I say everything in it is law? Nowhere. I said that what it says about Minato is fact no matter how many dumb excuses you make.
:lol Imagine being this stupid. At least now I know to add you to my list of idiotic and illiterate posters. Now, let's go over why you make no sense, as usual.
Who said long distance travel is impossible with Shunshin? Nobody you iliterate twit. What was impossible was Tsunade and Ay reaching the battlefield IMMEDIATELY (Keyword here bud, don't ignore it again) with regular movement. Hence teleportation. Thus your post is irrelevant and no, Hiraishin and Shunshin have not and will not ever be used interchangeably by someone who knows what Hiraishin is and knows it's name.
Then prove why what is being said in this instance is false or stop bitching about it. It'd make you look less like a fool if that was what you are claiming anyway, because now you're basically telling me you'll pick and choose which elements of the databook are false and which are true. :lol Of course the criteria is "Whatever makes my argument better". :lol Save the BS pal.
Tsunade and B saw the same thing and called it the same thing for the same reasons. So yes, B is very relevant whether you are willing to accept it or not.
Like I said, re-read what I said. If you fail again I'll gladly explain it in a way someone as daft as yourself could easily understand.
Except you are. You are claiming I said Hiraishin itself and by itself is speed. Except I nor anyone else has said that. Less whining and more reading. You complain too much for someone with such asinine and garbage reading comprehension.
Like I said, don't be stupid. Minato NEEDED Hiraishin to DODGE. Him reacting is irrelevant if he can't dodge, and evasion was not possible without Hiraishin. :lol If you want to argue that Minato is the fastest man alive because he can react to, but not actually evade, Ay's punch then you're on your own with that idiotic claim.
Ay considered Minato faster because Minato dodged his fastest punch. Not possible without Hiraishin. Him moving his hands upwards isn't evidence for the contrary.
So basically you have nothing but your idiotic speculations that I couldn't give a rat's ass about? Alright then. Let's see how far that gets you. :lol
Databook never stated that Madara reacted to an instant thrust with it intending readers to take it literally. Once again, stop using hyperbole and exaggerations to try and invalidate what the databook states about Hiraishin. Sometimes I just wonder how people as stupid as you could possibly exist.
Lmao some dumbass on this site is always trying to argue against the author like they think they know better. Jesus, so pathetic.
Don't be the lots that entice a person to write stuff for the betterment of those taking a stand, only to realise he or she doesn't want to understand. It's like trying to speak to a nagging wife. As per your statement, I stated Hirashin was described as a High speed movement in reference to the fact it was an epithet meant for the term, Yellow-flash. The term space-time movement was latter made substantiable, hence why I tackled the term solely and proved it has a distinctive meaning.
"Hyperbole doesn't invalidate what is meant to be taken seriously"
Indeed. But being ridiculous does.
"Unless you show us why it's wrong I can. Now stop making stupid excuses please."
I did. Again it's not by fault to have decided to be imbecilic.
"Who said long distance travel is impossible with Shunshin?"
Uhmm, you did? You outright stated long distances is impossible to cover with Shunshin, and by extension, even immediately. Of course you don't realise the consequences of your own statement. You haven't comprehended a single thing through out this debate. A long chain of constant desire to be retarded. It's sad really.
Minato moved from Konoha to the battlefield in a span of three chapters. That translated to two digits minutes. It's even more less compared to Tsunade and Ay moving from the Shinobi HQ to the battlefield. Tsunade and Ay moved at a lot less distance considering she only needed to crossover from the Land of Lightning to the Hidden Frost Village. Minato had to cover half of the Land of Fire, the entire Hidden Hot Water Village, and part of the Hidden Frost Village to get to the battlefield. Following this, it implies Minato would have gotten to the battlefield from HQ immediately if he was in the shoes of Tsunade. Ay's foot-speed is somewhat superior to Minato, implying he would achieve the same feat easily. Tsunade kept up with casual Ay, which implies; you know the drill.
So, supposing Minato would had had travel the same distance Tsunade and Ay covered immediately, it brings truth to the suggestion you can travel through an extremely long distance with Body Flicker Jutsu immediately.
Additionally, being that Minato reached the battlefield immediately, it opposes your claim that you can't travel at long distance immediately.
Note; The word "immediately" has several definition, some of which doesn't have to be without time-frame. Matter of fact, Tsunade arrived at the battlefield against Madara after five pages latter, implying she didn't exactly get there instantly. Compared to the time-frame Minato got to the battlefield, the difference is likely minutes. Ergo, if Tsunade had hinged unto the time-frame Minato spent to arrive at the battlefield, she, herself would have gotten to the battlefield in time to battle Madara.
"Then prove why what is being said in this instance is false or stop *****ing about it."
Already did. Please read everything I've established, but slowly.
"Tsunade and B saw the same thing and called it the same thing for the same reasons."
Except Tsunade was referring to Naruto's movement which seem like the Yellow-flash, hence why she said "Like the Yellow-flash."
"Except you are. You are claiming I said Hiraishin itself and by itself is speed."
By extension. Yes. You stated Hirashin and reflex speed determines a person's overall speed, did you not? Or have you develop the brain of someone suffering from schizophrenia wherein you cannot comprehend your own sentences? Who am I kidding to ask such a question as if it might not be true.
"Minato NEEDED Hiraishin to DODGE. Him reacting is irrelevant if he can't dodge, and evasion was not possible without Hiraishin."
Reacting leads to evasion you dunderhead. The time Minato took to raise his hand and activate his jutsu could have been used to evade Ay's punch. Minato decided to incorporate Hirashin so he could get behind Bee.
"he can react to, but not actually evade,"
Like I said, reacting leads to evading. This is something anyone with a brain knows. Clearly you don't have one. Have you received my present?
"So basically you have nothing but your idiotic speculations that I couldn't give a rat's ass about?"
>Says I have nothing
>Admits there's something beside nothing which implies there's something.
What's good in providing you a brain if you can't utilise it? Based on your responses; can I have my present back?
"Databook never stated that Madara reacted to an instant thrust."
Yes it suggested he did.
"Once again, stop using hyperbole and exaggerations to try and invalidate what the databook states about Hiraishin."
It states Hirashin is a space-time movement, which I asserted makes no sense, just like Madara reacting to an instant thrust. Space-time movement simply translate to dimensional movement, or gravitational movement.
"Lmao some dumbass on this site is always trying to argue against the author like they think they know better. Jesus, so pathetic."
Hiding under the author's protective sheet against criticism, aren't you? How pathetic. It's people like that would accept Madara can't use Izanagi because the Databook suggested he can't.
Or:
Madara can't used Chibaku Tensei
Mu can't use the Water elements
Madara can't use Senjutsu
Danzo can't use Kuchiyose
If what you were saying was supported you would've at least cited the Manga in some way, shape or form. That simple. What you are saying is bullshit fanfic no matter how many ridiculous excuses you make.
The author of this Manga used a teleportation technique to call a shinobi the fastest man alive. There is nothing left for you to do but concede before you make yourself look any more foolish than you already have. Yes Sid the Science Kid, we know that Hiraishin isn't literally SPEED= Distance/Time as it's instant movement, but that's not what is being referred to when speed is referred to here. If you don't like it then you'll have to deal with it elsewhere. Your arguments will continue to remain irrelevant until you understand that simple fact.
When people talk about the fastest shinobi the feats that are always referenced are:
-Who can said shinobi evade?
-Who can said shinobi catch/tag?
Your whole problem is that you are trying to argue against the notion that people are saying Hiraishin has something to do with speed=distance/time, but that's you using a strawman fallacy once again.
Reaction speed is a type of speed yet it's separate from speed=distance/time as you can't measure distance when talking about someone's mental or physical reactions yet you don't see people here typing walls about how reaction speed isn't speed. Stop making excuses. Stop trying to argue against something so simple to understand. You're arguing to argue at this point and that shit is annoying.
You need to let go of whatever pathetic obsession you have with me and stay in your pitiful lane. I shouldn't bother with the rest of your post because it's pretty obvious English isn't your first language, so you don't realize how stupid what you just posted really is, but I will anyway.
Where did I say Hiraishin is like Shunshin? Nowhere. I said that the visual effect to people who cannot perceive Naruto's movements is similar. :lol Pull your head out of your ass before addressing me again. Nobody likes a delusional dickriding clown ass trick of a poster.
Something indicated is supported by the holistic which caused for indication. For example; Kaguya's desire to destroy her dimension whilst creating a new one indicated she created her previous dimensions. Notice the very thing that indicated she can create her dimension, acted as premise/evidence which supported the conclusion?
"The author of this Manga used a teleportation technique to call a shinobi the fastest man alive."
Lmao. Where? You mean Raikage called him the fastest man life. Inb4 Raikage statements was written by author; He wrote it while assuming the perspective of Raikage.
"but that's not what is being referred to when speed is referred to here."
You claimed it referred to how fast, in which I asserted there's no how fast. It's instant.
"When people talk about the fastest shinobi the feats that are always referenced are:"
No. People with a brain don't nit-pick on the aspects of speed to come to a conclusion concerning the position of who's the fastest. We consider all the aspects equally.
"Your whole problem is that you are trying to argue against the notion that people are saying Hiraishin has something to do with speed=distance/time"
No. I'm simply saying Hirashin is not speed.
"Reaction speed is a type of speed yet it's separate from speed=distance/time"
Lmaooooooo, am done. This is the single, yet most stupid statement I've ever in seen. I mean, i thought people on Fb groups makes stupid statements, but yours takes the cake.
I mean, i mean, this dumbass just said reaction is separate from speed=d/t, when in fact to quantify a person's reaction speed, you need to know what distance the person moved, and in which time. My godddd!
"as you can't measure distance when talking about someone's mental or physical reactions"
So if I jolt my head to evade a bullet, I moved mentally?
"yet you don't see people here typing walls about how reaction speed isn't speed."
Kidgamer: Reaction speed is separate from speed=distance/time.
Someone with brain: Reaction speed simply means how fast a person reacts. Usually, it's predicated on the person's distance covered while reacting, and the time it took after reacting.
Kidgamer: You can't take about distance when talking about someone's mental or physical reactions
Someone with a brain; So you don't think moving even millimeters in opposite direction of a projectile attack is covering a distance?
You need to let go of whatever pathetic obsession you have with me and stay in your pitiful lane. I shouldn't bother with the rest of your post because it's pretty obvious English isn't your first language, so you don't realize how stupid what you just posted really is, but I will anyway.
Where did I say Hiraishin is like Shunshin? Nowhere. I said that the visual effect to people who cannot perceive Naruto's movements is similar. :lol Pull your head out of your ass before addressing me again. Nobody likes a delusional dickriding clown ass trick of a poster.
You do realize I wasn' t talking to you?
I know you are a crazy moron not woth talking with.
I was just advertising people not to lose too much time with a guy that can say something and its contrary in the same sentence, and then throw a paragraph of lies to try save the face.
Just to solo you one more time, Hiraishin isn' t similar/like Shunshin in visual effects.
All your statement does is prove that sagemode is overrated, kurama mode (in general) is needed to rival MS+ sasuke in just about everything. (movement, reflexes, durability, striking power, even jutsus) at the very most, sagemode reflexes could compete with adult sasuke but even then it's only because base naruto's feats was shown holding it's own with momo. (manga only)
Just let these people be, they'll eventually ruin every arc for themselves desperately hanging onto their idea of 'canon' and be left with like...The Land of Waves arc xD
^^Hiraishin is a technique surpassing shunshin...as stated in the databook, in other words a summoning jutsu type. But yea, sure, the visual effect is similar.
Don't be the lots that entice a person to write stuff for the betterment of those taking a stand, only to realise he or she doesn't want to understand. It's like trying to speak to a nagging wife. As per your statement, I stated Hirashin was described as a High speed movement in reference to the fact it was an epithet meant for the term, Yellow-flash. The term space-time movement was latter made substantiable, hence why I tackled the term solely and proved it has a distinctive meaning.
Nope. It was never once stated or described to be high speed movement nor do I even care about the rest of this post. Stop making all these stupid excuses and start focusing on the facts.
I did. Again it's not by fault to have decided to be imbecilic.
No, you haven't. You made excuses which is all most posters on this website are good at nowadays.
Uhmm, you did? You outright stated long distances is impossible to cover with Shunshin, and by extension, even immediately. Of course you don't realise the consequences of your own statement. You haven't comprehended a single thing through out this debate. A long chain of constant desire to be retarded. It's sad really.
You should try to read above that kindergarten level you love so much. Then you won't make such a fool out of yourself every time you post. I said that Shunshin cannot travel long distances immediately. Period. None of this "by extension, even immediately" bullshit you are trying to perpetuate. Is the English language this hard for you to grasp? Should we start speaking in whatever language it is you originally speak?
Minato moved from Konoha to the battlefield in a span of three chapters. That translated to two digits minutes. It's even more less compared to Tsunade and Ay moving from the Shinobi HQ to the battlefield. Tsunade and Ay moved at a lot less distance considering she only needed to crossover from the Land of Lightning to the Hidden Frost Village. Minato had to cover half of the Land of Fire, the entire Hidden Hot Water Village, and part of the Hidden Frost Village to get to the battlefield. Following this, it implies Minato would have gotten to the battlefield from HQ immediately if he was in the shoes of Tsunade. Ay's foot-speed is somewhat superior to Minato, implying he would achieve the same feat easily. Tsunade kept up with casual Ay, which implies; you know the drill.
So, supposing Minato would had had travel the same distance Tsunade and Ay covered immediately, it brings truth to the suggestion you can travel through an extremely long distance with Body Flicker Jutsu immediately.
Additionally, being that Minato reached the battlefield immediately, it opposes your claim that you can't travel at long distance immediately.
Note; The word "immediately" has several definition, some of which doesn't have to be without time-frame. Matter of fact, Tsunade arrived at the battlefield against Madara after five pages latter, implying she didn't exactly get there instantly. Compared to the time-frame Minato got to the battlefield, the difference is likely minutes. Ergo, if Tsunade had hinged unto the time-frame Minato spent to arrive at the battlefield, she, herself would have gotten to the battlefield in time to battle Madara.
im·me·di·ate·ly
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adverb
1.
at once; instantly.
"I called immediately for an ambulance"
synonyms: straightaway, at once, right away, instantly, now, directly, promptly, forthwith, this/that (very) minute, this/that instant, there and then, then and there, on the spot, here and now, without delay, without further ado, posthaste; More
2.
without any intervening time or space.
"she was sitting immediately behind me"
Immediately means right away with no or very little time in between. This is a fact. I don't care about any argument that ignores fact. Minato didn't arrive at the battlefield instantly or immediately. I'm going to pretend like you didn't just stupidly try to count chapters and translate it into seconds and minutes with zero basis. I'm also going to ignore this trash Tsunade, Ay and Minato comparison you are trying to make. It's irrelevant since Tsunade and Ay didn't use footspeed to reach the battlefield, but you'd know this if you actually read the Manga instead of coming here to waste people's time arguing just to argue without any real fact behind what is in your laughable trash you dare to call a post.
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"Then prove why what is being said in this instance is false or stop *****ing about it."
Already did. Please read everything I've established, but slowly.
Which is because of the aforementioned yellow flash Naruto makes when he moves. :lol You can stop arguing against Manga fact now son.
By extension. Yes. You stated Hirashin and reflex speed determines a person's overall speed, did you not? Or have you develop the brain of someone suffering from schizophrenia wherein you cannot comprehend your own sentences? Who am I kidding to ask such a question as if it might not be true.
That's not the same thing, but of course I can't expect someone with such a poor grasp of the English language to understand. I highly suggest you pull your head from your rear end and start posting like you have common sense kiddo. Or should I get your mommy to limit your computer time?
Reacting leads to evasion you dunderhead. The time Minato took to raise his hand and activate his jutsu could have been used to evade Ay's punch. Minato decided to incorporate Hirashin so he could get behind Bee.
"he can react to, but not actually evade,"
Like I said, reacting leads to evading. This is something anyone with a brain knows. Clearly you don't have one. Have you received my present?
Weak flames and even weaker arguments. Once again, the Manga and everyone who reads it disagrees with the nonsense you are trying to perpetuate. Now, I'm going to do something that's clearly foreign to people of your nature and back up my claims with events and occurrences from the Manga. (Shocker right?! :lol)
-Kakashi reacted to Susanoo Arrow and used Kamui, however he could not dodge it.
-Danzo reacted to Susanoo Arrow with Mokuton, however he stated it was too fast to dodge.
-SM Naruto was capable of blocking Madara's charge but could not evade and got knocked on his ass.
-Tobirama reacted to Juubito's charge, but could only tag him.
-Madara reacted to Ay's charge, but could only block him.
-Jugo reacted to V1 Ay's charge, yet could only block him, not dodge.
Reacting means reacting. Period. The faster you are the more you can do when you react. Naruto can dodge Ay. Minato can only form a guard at best and needed Hiraishin to evade. Claiming otherwise will get you nowhere as you cannot support said claim with anything that makes sense. Don't add your own definitions and meanings to words to try and prove your point. You people make shit up so much it's like you think you'll get some prize if you turn out to be right.
If you need scans, ask kiddo. Just ask.
>Says I have nothing
>Admits there's something beside nothing which implies there's something.
There's that trash understanding of the English language you have striking once again. Time for an english lesson brat.
"Nothing but"
Phrase means: You don't have anything besides what I stated you have. So no, I never said you had nothing. Learn how to read, please. Before you make yourself look more foolish than you already have.
Nope. It never once stated he reacted to an instant thrust nor did it state anything bout any tech being instant with the intent for it to be taken literally.
It states Hirashin is a space-time movement, which I asserted makes no sense, just like Madara reacting to an instant thrust. Space-time movement simply translate to dimensional movement, or gravitational movement.
I don't care what you asserted. Hiraishin is a space-time movement regardless of how many dumb excuses you come up with. In both the Manga and the Databook characters have stated it is INSTANT teleportation. I.E. No Movement. In multiple databooks it's stated that Hiraishin involves movement through a dimensional rift.
Learn what "space-time" refers to in the context of the Naruto manga before assigning your own dumb definitions to it.
Hiding under the author's protective sheet against criticism, aren't you? How pathetic. It's people like that would accept Madara can't use Izanagi because the Databook suggested he can't.
Or:
Madara can't used Chibaku Tensei
Mu can't use the Water elements
Madara can't use Senjutsu
Danzo can't use Kuchiyose
Like I said, show the discrepancies with this article, not any others, or stop arguing this point. DB never once stated that anyone can't use anything. The DB only left out every user. Not to mention that's databook 4 and 4 separate entries irrelevant to Databook 1 and this entry. All you can do is whine about irrelevant nonsense because you feel you know better than the people who wrote the Manga and the people who actually read it (and no, you are not one of those people) What's even worse is that if you were arguing and you needed the databook you'd be the type of poster to jump right to it, but since it obliterates your already shaky "argument" you jump through hoop after hoop to try and invalidate it.
:lol
I suggest you get back to that RP garbage you love so much and leave argumentation to those who can handle it without feeling the need to make nonsense up to hide the fact you have nothing of worth to bring to this or any other table.
Something indicated is supported by the holistic which caused for indication. For example; Kaguya's desire to destroy her dimension whilst creating a new one indicated she created her previous dimensions. Notice the very thing that indicated she can create her dimension, acted as premise/evidence which supported the conclusion?
"The author of this Manga used a teleportation technique to call a shinobi the fastest man alive."
Lmao. Where? You mean Raikage called him the fastest man life. Inb4 Raikage statements was written by author; He wrote it while assuming the perspective of Raikage.
"but that's not what is being referred to when speed is referred to here."
You claimed it referred to how fast, in which I asserted there's no how fast. It's instant.
"When people talk about the fastest shinobi the feats that are always referenced are:"
No. People with a brain don't nit-pick on the aspects of speed to come to a conclusion concerning the position of who's the fastest. We consider all the aspects equally.
"Your whole problem is that you are trying to argue against the notion that people are saying Hiraishin has something to do with speed=distance/time"
No. I'm simply saying Hirashin is not speed.
"Reaction speed is a type of speed yet it's separate from speed=distance/time"
Lmaooooooo, am done. This is the single, yet most stupid statement I've ever in seen. I mean, i thought people on Fb groups makes stupid statements, but yours takes the cake.
I mean, i mean, this dumbass just said reaction is separate from speed=d/t, when in fact to quantify a person's reaction speed, you need to know what distance the person moved, and in which time. My godddd!
"as you can't measure distance when talking about someone's mental or physical reactions"
So if I jolt my head to evade a bullet, I moved mentally?
"yet you don't see people here typing walls about how reaction speed isn't speed."
Kidgamer: Reaction speed is separate from speed=distance/time.
Someone with brain: Reaction speed simply means how fast a person reacts. Usually, it's predicated on the person's distance covered while reacting, and the time it took after reacting.
Kidgamer: You can't take about distance when talking about someone's mental or physical reactions
Someone with a brain; So you don't think moving even millimeters in opposite direction of a projectile attack is covering a distance?
Those are two of the many cases of reaction speed not involving any distance being traveled. What are you talking about with this "moving millimeters' nonsense? Oh wait, you have no idea what you are talking about as usual. Reaction speed is how fast you react. I couldn't care less about your made up definitions kiddo.
As for the rest, Ay stated Minato was the fastest despite teleportation. Kishimoto said Minato is the Yellow Flash in the DB because of teleportation no matter how many times you whine about it. Deal with it little guy.
:lol Just when I think this kid can't post anything worse than what he's already posted. That on top of:
"Kishimoto is wrong and I am right"
"The databook is irrelevant"
"Everybody thought Hiraishin was movement"
"Hiraishin doesn't factor into the user's speed despite every character in this Manga along with the author disagreeing"
If I was arguing with someone who didn't have his head up his ass with an agenda to push this debate would've been over the moment that DB scan was posted. But no, not this little boy. He has to be right so anything that invalidates his claims is irrelevant. I guess is what happens when you let 11 yr old children get an a forum and expect them to be rational.
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Raiton Chakra Mode
Raiton Chakra collects on the body, it's a body invigoration ninjutsu. From inside the body lightning gushes out, the speed of ones nerve transmissions rises. The body is wrapped in lightning, the jutsu durability is like that of armor. The Raikages' application of it causes their combat power to rise considerably.
It managed to chase Naruto's Bijuu Chakra Mode, however it was inferior to the great speed of the Yellow-Flash
Said he has a chance of countering him here despite Hiraishin, yet you argue that Minato was the fastest because of his reflexes alone outside of Hiraishin.
This post is all you'll get from now on if you continue to make dumb excuses. No need for me to entertain your BS any longer.
You do realize I wasn' t talking to you?
I know you are a crazy moron not woth talking with.
I was just advertising people not to lose too much time with a guy that can say something and its contrary in the same sentence, and then throw a paragraph of lies to try save the face.
Just to solo you one more time, Hiraishin isn' t similar/like Shunshin in visual effects.
For the second time kiddo. Tsunade and B disagree with all you have to say. Now crawl back under that hole you love so much unless you have something intelligent to bring to the fold.
:lol Just when I think this kid can't post anything worse than what he's already posted. That on top of:
"Kishimoto is wrong and I am right"
"The databook is irrelevant"
"Everybody thought Hiraishin was movement"
"Hiraishin doesn't factor into the user's speed despite every character in this Manga along with the author disagreeing"
If I was arguing with someone who didn't have his head up his ass with an agenda to push this debate would've been over the moment that DB scan was posted. But no, not this little boy. He has to be right so anything that invalidates his claims is irrelevant. I guess is what happens when you let 11 yr old children get an a forum and expect them to be rational.
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<---- Knew he was teleporting.
But still:
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Knew he was teleporting, but still:
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Said he has a chance of countering him here despite Hiraishin, yet you argue that Minato was the fastest because of his reflexes alone outside of Hiraishin.
This post is all you'll get from now on if you continue to make dumb excuses. No need for me to entertain your BS any longer.
For the second time kiddo. Tsunade and B disagree with all you have to say. Now crawl back under that hole you love so much unless you have something intelligent to bring to the fold.
Agree with you on that. Though, tobirama and minato were probably the fastest of thier generation in shunshin(even though in minato's case, shisui might be faster with shunshin, hence his nickname).
Agree with you on that. Though, tobirama and minato were probably the fastest of thier generation in shunshin(even though in minato's case, shisui might be faster with shunshin, hence his nickname).
Minato definitely was not faster than Ay. Tobirama might have been faster than Madara though.
Shisui is definitely a speedster, but I'm not ready to put him on Minato or Tobirama's (moreso Minato since his Shunshin has feats and hype) level even without Hiraishin.
Weak flames and even weaker arguments. Once again, the Manga and everyone who reads it disagrees with the nonsense you are trying to perpetuate. Now, I'm going to do something that's clearly foreign to people of your nature and back up my claims with events and occurrences from the Manga. (Shocker right?! :lol)