Sasuke's speed issue.

[Guntah]

Kaguya was very weakened when Naruto did that, she easily evaded both him and Sasuke when she regained her strength:

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When was that stated?

It's a little hard to believe that a MC who stole the majority of the battles still hasn't had his true speed shown.

He's only had three or four proper fights since the Rikudo boost though.

 

[Glad Of War]

This has nothing to do with speed, it was naruto's sensory ability that enabled him to to evade madara's attack

It had everything to do with speed. Naruto acted just after the beam was liberated, showcasing quick body movement in the process. In other to even successfully evade the beam, he had to move his body at a certain rate.

This is a pretty lame excuse considering the Manga itself portrays Tobirama and Minato of the fastest of their eras (pre KCM Naruto) because of Hiraishin, which is instant teleportation just like Ameno. If you want to argue that Naruto is faster argue that his feats are better instead of saying shit like "Ameno doesn't count".

I wasn't trying to give an excuse to give way the suggestion that Naruto is faster.

As per your other point, Minato was considered fast because he seem to be able to move at one point to another at incomprehensible speed. In truth however, he was simply teleporting. Even then, his title wasn't because of Hiraishin, but because of his actual follow up movement and reflexes.

Hiraishin is an instant movement. Thus, if anyone was going to surpass him, they would have to move faster than instant which is impossible. So it's more likely when people declared him the fastest, the basis of their statement was how quick his follow up movements was.

Yea, Naruto reacted to Madara attack, but failed to dodge sasukes when he used his teleportation in their last fght. Not only is naruto's speed dependent on his Chakra form, it isn't a completely overwhelming quickness. If it was, he'd have done better against Obito and Madara (not to undermine his efforts). Kaguya was literally a fodder with Godly chakra. She had no battle sense, tactics etc. And it was like she wasn't even focused on them, divided even.

What you talking about? He reacted by intertwining his hands in the Manga.

 

[Glad Of War]

There seems to be an misrepresentation of feats, in the anime/manga. While Naruto's strength and speed should surpass Sasukes' even in Sage mode...yet Naruto is shown to be equal to sasuke in speed while in Chakra mode/Sage mode mixed together. It's so strange.

They shouldn't be equal in that mode, to be honest. And if I'm not mistaken, Naruto can use his dad's teleportation jutsu...but hasn't used it since.

And it's so strange how they over use chakra mode, instead of just using Sage mode, first.

Indeed.
During their final battle in the anime, Naruto kept up with Rinnegan Sasuke while at Base. Logic dictates his higher forms should be faster than his Base speed, but apparently when he used RSM, his speed seem to be on the same level as when he was at Base.

 

[New Dawn]

Raw speed i think Naruto is faster if he goes KCM. Base speed, sasuke is faster. If you count Ameno then Sauce is faster than naruto.

 

[Edogawa]

There is no issue. It's just two sides complicating the subject. Sasuke is fastest Shinobi currently because of his teleportation. It's the same reason why Tobirama and Minato were labelled as fastest in their eras, due to Hirashin. His foot-speed/Shunshin is only in the same tier as Itachi, Kakashi, Pain, Madara etc. Being fastest isn't relevant when your opponent's reflexes shit on it, hence why Sasuke couldn't blitz Naruto.

 

[KidGamer65]

I wasn't trying to give an excuse to give way the suggestion that Naruto is faster.

As per your other point, Minato was considered fast because he seem to be able to move at one point to another at incomprehensible speed. In truth however, he was simply teleporting. Even then, his title wasn't because of Hiraishin, but because of his actual follow up movement and reflexes.

Hiraishin is an instant movement. Thus, if anyone was going to surpass him, they would have to move faster than instant which is impossible. So it's more likely when people declared him the fastest, the basis of their statement was how quick his follow up movements was.

I'm just saying, the Manga accounts Hiraishin when ranking Minato's speed, thus the same applies for Sasuke. Bold is blatantly shown to be wrong. The databook says his special jutsu, Hiraishin, is why he's known as the Yellow Flash. That and it wouldn't make sense if his follow movements and reflexes independent of Hiraishin made him the fastest man alive because Ay was physically faster than Minato in every way, yet Ay said Minato was faster than him.

Instant teleportation combined with reflexes determines a teleporter's speed. Not just reflexes. That's why Sasuke can be accurately stated to be faster than Naruto despite Naruto moving faster. Just like Minato was considered to be faster than Ay despite Ay being physically faster.

 

[Nick01]

Naruto is currently the fastest Shinobi alive. Easily.

Add in Steam Release and it's a no contest.

 

[Greatness23]

It had everything to do with speed. Naruto acted just after the beam was liberated, showcasing quick body movement in the process. In other to even successfully evade the beam, he had to move his body at a certain rate.



I wasn't trying to give an excuse to give way the suggestion that Naruto is faster.

As per your other point, Minato was considered fast because he seem to be able to move at one point to another at incomprehensible speed. In truth however, he was simply teleporting. Even then, his title wasn't because of Hiraishin, but because of his actual follow up movement and reflexes.

Hiraishin is an instant movement. Thus, if anyone was going to surpass him, they would have to move faster than instant which is impossible. So it's more likely when people declared him the fastest, the basis of their statement was how quick his follow up movements was.



What you talking about? He reacted by intertwining his hands in the Manga.

Pull tht shit up then

 

[Glad Of War]

There is no issue. It's just two sides complicating the subject. Sasuke is fastest Shinobi currently because of his teleportation. It's the same reason why Tobirama and Minato were labelled as fastest in their eras, due to Hirashin. His foot-speed/Shunshin is only in the same tier as Itachi, Kakashi, Pain, Madara etc. Being fastest isn't relevant when your opponent's reflexes shit on it, hence why Sasuke couldn't blitz Naruto.

Refer to below.

I'm just saying, the Manga accounts Hiraishin when ranking Minato's speed, thus the same applies for Sasuke. Bold is blatantly shown to be wrong. The databook says his special jutsu, Hiraishin, is why he's known as the Yellow Flash. That and it wouldn't make sense if his follow movements and reflexes independent of Hiraishin made him the fastest man alive because Ay was physically faster than Minato in every way, yet Ay said Minato was faster than him.

Instant teleportation combined with reflexes determines a teleporter's speed. Not just reflexes. That's why Sasuke can be accurately stated to be faster than Naruto despite Naruto moving faster. Just like Minato was considered to be faster than Ay despite Ay being physically faster.

Not just Hiraishin, but also his reflex speed. While he can move instantly to a point with Hiraishin, his reflex speed allowed him to evade attacks after moving to his intended area. As shown during his battle with Ay, he was able to react to his attack, and utilise Hiraishin to move behind Bee. Hiraishin did not facilitate the way he reacted, his natural speed did.

Understand that reacting isn't physically moving from one point to another with the intention to evade an attack. As far as a movement is in response to an attack, it can be called a reaction. Minato was able to raise his hand, lugged his Kunai upwards against Ay attack, hence he reacted.

Using another example; when Naruto evaded Ay, Ay stated explicitly Naruto was the second person to evade his punch. Ay couldn't have said this if he wasn't making reference to Naruto's reaction speed.

I should also add people constantly assumed Minato was moving with his natural speed, when in fact he was teleporting. Case in point; when Naruto evaded Ay punch, Tsunade suggested Naruto's movement is similar to the Yellow-flash. In a way, she's suggesting Naruto moved instantly just like the Yellow flash. This is highly unlikely considering it's impossible to physically move instantly, and as such it's more of a probability Tsunade assumed Minato was moving with his natural speed hence why he associated it with Naruto's speed.

 

[Glad Of War]

Pull tht shit up then

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[davidou]

sasuke is the fastest

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Sasuke was forced to use ameno, Sasuke isn' t faster than Kinshiki.

 

[Guntah]

Sasuke was forced to use ameno, Sasuke isn' t faster than Kinshiki.

I wouldn't say "forced to". He could've just as easily activated his Susanoo to block Kinshiki's blow.

 

[davidou]

I wouldn't say "forced to". He could've just as easily activated his Susanoo to block Kinshiki's blow.

The technique he used to escape doesn' t really matter, the fact that he was cornered by Kinshiki in taijutsu although he has sharingan precog, is the evidence that he is slower than Kinshiki.

 

[Guntah]

The technique he used to escape doesn' t really matter, the fact that he was cornered by Kinshiki in taijutsu although he has sharingan precog, is the evidence that he is slower than Kinshiki.

Hard to believe when he'd been keeping up so far with little to no issue.

 

[KidGamer65]

Refer to below.



Not just Hiraishin, but also his reflex speed. While he can move instantly to a point with Hiraishin, his reflex speed allowed him to evade attacks after moving to his intended area. As shown during his battle with Ay, he was able to react to his attack, and utilise Hiraishin to move behind Bee. Hiraishin did not facilitate the way he reacted, his natural speed did.

Understand that reacting isn't physically moving from one point to another with the intention to evade an attack. As far as a movement is in response to an attack, it can be called a reaction. Minato was able to raise his hand, lugged his Kunai upwards against Ay attack, hence he reacted.

Using another example; when Naruto evaded Ay, Ay stated explicitly Naruto was the second person to evade his punch. Ay couldn't have said this if he wasn't making reference to Naruto's reaction speed.

I should also add people constantly assumed Minato was moving with his natural speed, when in fact he was teleporting. Case in point; when Naruto evaded Ay punch, Tsunade suggested Naruto's movement is similar to the Yellow-flash. In a way, she's suggesting Naruto moved instantly just like the Yellow flash. This is highly unlikely considering it's impossible to physically move instantly, and as such it's more of a probability Tsunade assumed Minato was moving with his natural speed hence why he associated it with Naruto's speed.

You literally typed 2 paragraphs saying exactly what I'm saying except you're still coming to the incorrect conclusion. Minato's reflexes+Hiraishin is what got him the title. Not just one. Both combined. Thus the same applies to Sasuke. The entire last paragraph is blatantly shown to be false once again. Tsunade has full knowledge of Minato's space time Ninjutsu, so no, obviously she wasn't assuming that Minato moved with natural speed. Literally nobody did. Everybody knew he was using some kind of teleportation, they just didn't know what it was called.

Tsunade said that Naruto left a yellow flash when he moved. Minato's hair being blonde along with the fact that he could move from point A to point B instantly is why he was called the yellow flash.

 

[BladelImmortal]

Sasuke was forced to use ameno, Sasuke isn' t faster than Kinshiki.

Sasuke was destroying Kinshiki with half chakra, 1 arm, and without any ninjutsu.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Sasuke has always been portrayed to be faster. Not to mention he even raced FTG.

 

[Rock Slayer]

They are equal in speed. Naruto can only match Sasuke at speed when utilizing Kurama's chakra. Sasuke trained for his speed, Naruto obtains greater speed by entering a mode.

 

[Greatness23]

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Bet.

Btw, I wasn't cussin you out or whateva, just my lingo cuhh

 

[Guntah]

They are equal in speed. Naruto can only match Sasuke at speed when utilizing Kurama's chakra. Sasuke trained for his speed, Naruto obtains greater speed by entering a mode.

So the Sasuke who was barely keeping up with Juubi Obito was able to blitz Juubi Madara a few hours later not because of the godly boost he received in that space of time but because of...*ahem*..."Hard Work"?

Right.