Sasuke's Sharinnegan > Hagoromo's Rinnegan?

[WalksInShadows]

-Reread my comment.You're one to talk.I never said that you did.I was just pionting out that you compared Madara and Obitos feat of one Bijuu to Sasuke's 9,and acted like that was more impressive.

you should reread your own, because you were putting words in my mouth as if i said Madara/Obito genjutsu'd more than 1.

-You're assuming that im mad simply because i disagreed you.Stay on topic and stop imagining things.

oh i'm imagining things? So this isn't you complaining about me supposedly being significantly biased against Sasuke:

So me saying facts about his CT being better than Nagato's and Madara's is wanking? And i called you bias because i've seen you around being biased.Not only in this thread.

What i said makes sense - the user (Sage) is stronger but Sasuke's eye is more advanced - thats my piont.if you disagree then reply with an intelligent counter of how im wrong rather than trolling.

This is why i called you biased - you say stuff like that.

"Sasuke was the last to the party as usual"

You don't even do a good enough job of reading your own posts.

You mention him being last as in attempt at downplaying him.Why even say that? Yes he is last,so? Hes also the firsf to catch all nine with just a glance.When people say someone is last to the party its usually like an insult as in they're late whereas everyone already been there and done that.

Also you downplayers make a big deal out of the Kyuubi being able to speak four or five words to Naruto for two seconds like thats a big deal.You giys look for anyway go downplay Sasuke.

this is exactly what i was referring to when i said what i did about ppl driving the tank hard for Sasuke: downplaying others' feats, hyping Sasuke's up, and complain about other ppl doing it. The facts are what they are: when Obito and Madara did it, there was no talking, no resisting, and no nothing other doing their bidding until someone broke their hold over them. You're nobody to be talking about making a big deal about what happened in a few seconds' time, because you spent whole paragraphs bringing up some veins that may or may not have been in Madara or Obito's eyes when the genjutsu'd Kurama. You're hypocrisy isn't just obvious, it's also hilarious.

He had 9 Bijuu in Genjutsu,and ONLY THE LAST was able to speak for TWO SECONDS,while the other EIGHT were under his complete control,yet you love to piont out how the Kyuubi talked for TWO SECONDS.And let me guess you assume that im upset cause im using caps? No,its just to better piont things out.

yeah, you're just "pointing things out" when you continually spend posts accusing me of being as biased against Sasuke as you want to believe. And again, you're not one to tell someone that they're imagining things. You want to believe that every post i make regarding a Sasuke feat is an attempt to downplay him using something that doesn't exists when the manga supports it. Sasuke is the latest to genjutsu a bijuu, just like he was the last one to get a CS, Raiton atk, Mangekyou, EMS, PS, Rinnegan. I suppose you're going to whine even more than you already have about the supposed lvl of my bias if i were to sub in any of that for what i mentioned; even when the manga would support it.

Also i was not downplaying Tobi and Madara to hype up Sasuke.I only mentioned them cause you did to downplay them,and the Kyuubi himself said Sasuke's eyes and chakra are more sinister than his own,and compared him to the man who controlled him.Do you not believe not believe the Kyuubi?

you are such a liar, and the worst part is that you're trying pretend you didn't. You spent multiple posts downplaying their genjutsu feats on bijuu in an obvious attempt at hyping up Sasuke's, one of which being this one:

Also go back to each of those chapters for Tobi its i think 503 and Madara its 568 - they both looked like they had to put in work to get the Kyuubi.You can see viens in their eyes and they're even using a hand seal probably to gather chakra/focuses whereas Sasuke caught ALL NINE Bijuu with a glance Neg Diff.

is that not a statement you made?

 

[Xāvî1]

ding dong ~ i don't agree cos its the So6p who gave him that power!!

 

[neosmith500]

Incorrect.

Sasuke awakened rinnegan because of the chakra naruto gave him, senju, hashirama's chakra, curse mark, and being near death.

Hagaromo only gave them seals. Like Naruto's balls which was given to him because of the bijuu are gone.
Hagaromo took the seal back along with his chakra. If what you said is true then his eye would be gone.

Its proof that its his eye. His susanoo as well. They are a pair.

Sasuke's eye > Hagromo's.

That does not make much sense bro,Sasuke's rinnegan is the direct result of half hago's chakra residing in his dominant side..That explains why he only has one rinnegan and why its on the same side he has hago's seal...come at me

 

[Holy God]

That does not make much sense bro,Sasuke's rinnegan is the direct result of half hago's chakra residing in his dominant side..That explains why he only has one rinnegan and why its on the same side he has hago's seal...come at me

Are you saying Hagoromo gave Sasuke power but not Naruto? Naruto's new chakra mode is a result from all nine tailed beasts chakra residing in him.

 

[neosmith500]

Sasuke eye was converted from having yin and yang chakra.

Actually I'm not 100% sure where his eye came from. The sage only gave them chakra...which he took back so its illogical to say because of chakra...since sasuke didn't get rinnegan right away when Naruto gave him the kyuubi cloak/his chakra which supposedly gives him rinnegan.

Meaning there are many ways he could have gotten it, but definitely not by the Sage.

Sasuke's rinnegan is a result of bein indra's holder and having half of hago's pure chakra on his dominant side where he had the seal..Indra would also unlock the tomoe rinnegan if he had the chakra /seal in his dominant side..

 

[neosmith500]

Are you saying Hagoromo gave Sasuke power but not Naruto? Naruto's new chakra mode is a result from all nine tailed beasts chakra residing in him.

Naruto's power is a result of hago's chakra/power that he gave them,hago's chakra moled his bijuu chakra into this new mode..

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

you should reread your own, because you were putting words in my mouth as if i said Madara/Obito genjutsu'd more than 1.

oh i'm imagining things? So this isn't you complaining about me supposedly being significantly biased against Sasuke:You don't even do a good enough job of reading your own posts.


this is exactly what i was referring to when i said what i did about ppl driving the tank hard for Sasuke: downplaying others' feats, hyping Sasuke's up, and complain about other ppl doing it. The facts are what they are: when Obito and Madara did it, there was no talking, no resisting, and no nothing other doing their bidding until someone broke their hold over them. You're nobody to be talking about making a big deal about what happened in a few seconds' time, because you spent whole paragraphs bringing up some veins that may or may not have been in Madara or Obito's eyes when the genjutsu'd Kurama. You're hypocrisy isn't just obvious, it's also hilarious.

yeah, you're just "pointing things out" when you continually spend posts accusing me of being as biased against Sasuke as you want to believe. And again, you're not one to tell someone that they're imagining things. You want to believe that every post i make regarding a Sasuke feat is an attempt to downplay him using something that doesn't exists when the manga supports it. Sasuke is the latest to genjutsu a bijuu, just like he was the last one to get a CS, Raiton atk, Mangekyou, EMS, PS, Rinnegan. I suppose you're going to whine even more than you already have about the supposed lvl of my bias if i were to sub in any of that for what i mentioned; even when the manga would support it.

you are such a liar, and the worst part is that you're trying pretend you didn't. You spent multiple posts downplaying their genjutsu feats on bijuu in an obvious attempt at hyping up Sasuke's, one of which being this one:is that not a statement you made?

I mentioned the viens in their eyes and them using handseals aswell not to downplay them.i was showing facts that they put in work to control ONE BIJUU whereas Sasuke had eight in his complete control from just a glance but you piont out how The Kyuubi was able to talk for two seconds,as if thats a big deal.

Sasuke wasn't even seroius when he got them while Madara and Tobi looked like they were when they got the Kyuubi.Thats not downplaying them,its true that they used handseals and had viens in their eyes.From getting the Kyuubi.Yet you mention how the Kyuubi talked for two second while Sasuke controlled 8 other Bijuu like thats a big deal.

I've only been countering you.Stop imagining that im whining and am upset.Stop trying to distract from the topic.I may have misunderstood you,and you have of me.

But You did pretty much act as if Madara and Tobi getting the Kyuubi was better than Sasuke since the kyuubi spoke five words for two seconds.You were the one who mentioned them in comparison to Sasuke's obvoius better feat.You did that to try and take away from his feat.

Again i only mentioned them because you did.

 

[loadsamoney]

You guys are reading this so wrong.

Once again,

We're talking about two Rinnegans/Sharinnegans.

Not users.

 

[Holy God]

Naruto's power is a result of hago's chakra/power that he gave them,hago's chakra moled his bijuu chakra into this new mode..

That doesn't make sense at all. Hagoromo's chakra doesn't give you anything special unless your body creates it(Madara). Naruto would have the abilities of the beasts and the fluid spheres regardless of meeting Hagoromo.

 

[neosmith500]

That doesn't make sense at all. Hagoromo's chakra doesn't give you anything special unless your body creates it(Madara). Naruto would have the abilities of the beasts and the fluid spheres regardless of meeting Hagoromo.

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As u can see sasukes seal and his eye are on his dominant side and the only way for sasuke to get double tomoe rinnegan is if he had both seals on both arms..as for madara he never had hago's seal so his mutation was not the same as sasuke's sine he only ingested a bit of ashura chakra with no seal ..it can be assumed that indra himself would get the same power up as sasuke if he got the seal same as sasuke nd would only get 2 if he had both seals..tomoe rinnegan exist as kish's way to not take sasuke/indra from there roots the sharingan while at the same time adding mystery to sasuke's new eye ...take note that Sasuke from 'The last' still only has one tomoe rinnegan which cements that he will not unlock both

 

[lanakui8]

I really think sharinnegan >> double rinnegan.

thatʻs why the sharinnegan is only achieved after the double rinnegan + becoming the juubi jinchuriki, why MT is cast via the sharinnegan and why the juubi had the sharinnegan.

itʻs also why sasuke was mopping 1 rinnegan juubi jinchuriki madara.

 

[WalksInShadows]

I mentioned the viens in their eyes and them using handseals aswell not to downplay them.i was showing facts that they put in work to control ONE BIJUU whereas Sasuke had eight in his complete control from just a glance but you piont out how The Kyuubi was able to talk for two seconds,as if thats a big deal.

wow, so you're actually going to continue denying it? This is you describing Obito and Madara's feat:

they both looked like they had to put in work to get the Kyuubi.

Now this is you describing Sasuke's:

Sasuke caught ALL NINE Bijuu with a glance Neg Diff.

This is clearly you saying it took Obito and Madara considerably more effort to genjutsu 1 bijuu than Sasuke did with all 9. According to you, it's not a big deal pointing out veins that may or may not have been visible in Party A's eyes, but it's a crime to point out half a Kurama still being able to get a few words out when Obito and Madara's complete control over an undivided Kurama was instant. Do you see how much of a hypocrite you're being here?

Sasuke wasn't even seroius when he got them while Madara and Tobi looked like they were when they got the Kyuubi.Thats not downplaying them,its true that they used handseals and had viens in their eyes.From getting the Kyuubi.Yet you mention how the Kyuubi talked for two second while Sasuke controlled 8 other Bijuu like thats a big deal.

see, you're doing exactly what i said you were doing. And the worst part is, you don't want to either cop to it or realize it.

I've only been countering you.Stop imagining that im whining and am upset.Stop trying to distract from the topic.I may have misunderstood you,and you have of me.

so i've been imagining that in at leasts 2 posts you made that i even pointed out, you weren't whining about the supposed lvl of my bias? Ok. If that's your definition of "countering" then, you definitely haven't failed to do it.

But You did pretty much act as if Madara and Tobi getting the Kyuubi was better than Sasuke since the kyuubi spoke five words for two seconds.You were the one who mentioned them in comparison to Sasuke's obvoius better feat.You did that to try and take away from his feat.

Again i only mentioned them because you did.

it doesn't matter who mentioned them first, because it doesn't change what you did a single bit. And the bottom line is that Obito and Madara didn't need a Rinnegan to genjutsu a bijuu. You're free to take it however way you want, idrgaff. It doesn't change the fact that the manga supports it.

 

[neosmith500]

That doesn't make sense at all. Hagoromo's chakra doesn't give you anything special unless your body creates it(Madara). Naruto would have the abilities of the beasts and the fluid spheres regardless of meeting Hagoromo.

how can you say hago's chakra/power does not give you anything???...The juubi gives you SO6P chakra,ask Obito/Madara/DMS Kakashi...so why do the think chakra from sage himself does ntn but give seals??...so you think Sasuke/Naruto can fight JJ madz and kaguya without hago's half/half power he gave them??..wow

 

[neosmith500]

I really think sharinnegan >> double rinnegan.

thatʻs why the sharinnegan is only achieved after the double rinnegan + becoming the juubi jinchuriki, why MT is cast via the sharinnegan and why the juubi had the sharinnegan.

itʻs also why sasuke was mopping 1 rinnegan juubi jinchuriki madara.

Sasuke's rinnegan is not the juubi eye and is a result of bein indra's possesser and havin half hago's power in his dominant side where he had the seal..Sasuke's rinnegan can be stronger sinse it the result of indra's chakra(the GOD of sharingan) and hago's chakra(GOD of rinnegan ) mixing in his dominant half where his tomoe rinnegan is located..

 

[lanakui8]

Sasuke's rinnegan is not the juubi eye and is a result of bein indra's possesser and havin half hago's power in his dominant side where he had the seal..Sasuke's rinnegan can be stronger sinse it the result of indra's chakra(the GOD of sharingan) and hago's chakra(GOD of rinnegan ) mixing in his dominant half where his tomoe rinnegan is located..

if thatʻs true, why doesnʻt he have two sharinnegans? Or why does he have 6 tomoes in his rinnegan while only three tomoes in his normal sharingan?

 

[neosmith500]

if thatʻs true, why doesnʻt he have two sharinnegans? Or why does he have 6 tomoes in his rinnegan while only three tomoes in his normal sharingan?

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As u can see sasukes seal and his eye are on his dominant side and the only way for sasuke to get double tomoe rinnegan is if he had both seals on both arms..as for madara he never had hago's seal so his mutation was not the same as sasuke's sine he only ingested a bit of ashura chakra with no seal ..it can be assumed that indra himself would get the same power up as sasuke if he got the seal same as sasuke nd would only get 2 if he had both seals..tomoe rinnegan exist as kish's way to not take sasuke/indra from there roots the sharingan while at the same time adding mystery to sasuke's new eye ...take note that Sasuke from 'The last' still only has one tomoe rinnegan which cements that he will not unlock another an will never as long as naruto has the other half of power...thank you

 

[neosmith500]

if thatʻs true, why doesnʻt he have two sharinnegans? Or why does he have 6 tomoes in his rinnegan while only three tomoes in his normal sharingan?

Indra ,Madara and sasuke all had the requirements to unlock tomoe rinnegan and thats why madara noted that there's a connection beyond blood with sasuke

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which leads back to indra the son of hago and the drakula of sharingan

 

[neosmith500]

Sasuke's Rinnegan is only half and incomplete version of Hagoromo's Rinnegan.​

LOL nope..sasuke's tomoe rinnegan is a mix of Indra chakra/sharingan and hago's chakra/rinnegan..which makes the stronger eye

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only people capable of unlocking this eye is indra, madara and sasuke

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

wow, so you're actually going to continue denying it? This is you describing Obito and Madara's feat:
Now this is you describing Sasuke's: This is clearly you saying it took Obito and Madara considerably more effort to genjutsu 1 bijuu than Sasuke did with all 9. According to you, it's not a big deal pointing out veins that may or may not have been visible in Party A's eyes, but it's a crime to point out half a Kurama still being able to get a few words out when Obito and Madara's complete control over an undivided Kurama was instant. Do you see how much of a hypocrite you're being here?
see, you're doing exactly what i said you were doing. And the worst part is, you don't want to either cop to it or realize it.
so i've been imagining that in at leasts 2 posts you made that i even pointed out, you weren't whining about the supposed lvl of my bias? Ok. If that's your definition of "countering" then, you definitely haven't failed to do it.



it doesn't matter who mentioned them first, because it doesn't change what you did a single bit. And the bottom line is that Obito and Madara didn't need a Rinnegan to genjutsu a bijuu. You're free to take it however way you want, idrgaff. It doesn't change the fact that the manga supports it.

You mentioned then to downplay Sasuke's feat.I mentioned them cause you did.I countered by stating facts that you didn't mention.

If it looks like im downplaying them then thats because the facts show that they didn't have an easy time whereas Sasuke did.

Thats it.Using the Kyuubi to act like Sasuke's feat wasn't very impressive is stupid considering he got 8 under his full control at the same time easily while the ninth was only able to speak for a few seconds.You brought them up,so i compared aswell.Mentioning facts you didn't.If it makes them look not as good then thats not my fault.Im just stating facts.

Surely if Sasuke out alittle more effort the Kyuubi wouldn't have been able to talk for two seconds To try and downplay Sasuke for not having complete control over the Kyuubi is dumb.Why even mention it? He wasn't even going all out or anything.

Its like you are nitpicking.

Yes Obito and Madara got the Kyuubi without the Rinnegan.But how do you know Sasuke never could? The manga implies that Sasuke had a very good chance at doing that.

The Kyuubi himself said his eyes and chakra are more sinister than his own and compared him to Madara.That shows that its very plausible that Sasuke could of taken complete control over him with His Sharingan of he ever wanted too.

There's no proof that he couldn't do it.You seem to want to believe he can't because he hasn't.

 

[MadaraReturns]

depends on the techniques that sharinnegan has, hagoromo has 2 rinnegan and sasuke 1 sharinnegan.. i don't think its weaker tho we should know more about the sharinnegan