Sasuke's Sharinnegan > Hagoromo's Rinnegan?

[WalksInShadows]

You mentioned then to downplay Sasuke's feat.I mentioned them cause you did.I countered by stating facts that you didn't mention.

If it looks like im downplaying them then thats because the facts show that they didn't have an easy time whereas Sasuke did.

Thats it.Using the Kyuubi to act like Sasuke's feat wasn't very impressive is stupid considering he got 8 under his full control at the same time easily while the ninth was only able to speak for a few seconds.You brought them up,so i compared aswell.Mentioning facts you didn't.If it makes them look not as good then thats not my fault.Im just stating facts.[/QUOTE]did you not read the part in my last post that it didn't matter who mentioned what first? What is it about that part that is continually going over your head?

Surely if Sasuke out alittle more effort the Kyuubi wouldn't have been able to talk for two seconds To try and downplay Sasuke for not having complete control over the Kyuubi is dumb.Why even mention it? He wasn't even going all out or anything.

yeah, that's dumb to bring up whenever someone claims that Sasuke's genjutsu feat with bijuu is better than anybody else's >.>

You claim to deal in facts, but the truth is, you only want to acknowledge facts that suit your claim as being worthy to mention. That's picking cherries, not "bringing up facts". If you were doing that, you would bring up all the facts, and not just some.

Its like you are nitpicking.

you must be new to debating, because part of debating is nitpicking. If you can't deal with the whole truth, don't bother jumping in a debate. Simple as that. Someone else's facts aren't inadmissible or nonexistent just because you aren't able to cope with it.

Yes Obito and Madara got the Kyuubi without the Rinnegan.But how do you know Sasuke never could? The manga implies that Sasuke had a very good chance at doing that.

where? Because i only saw him dismiss a portion of chakra, and nowhere did it say that Sasuke had the lvl of will or hatred that was required. This your fandom talking.

The Kyuubi himself said his eyes and chakra are more sinister than his own and compared him to Madara.That shows that its very plausible that Sasuke could of taken complete control over him with His Sharingan of he ever wanted too.

sure he could. Which is why even with a Rinnegan, 50% of Kurama could still talk

There's no proof that he couldn't do it.You seem to want to believe he can't because he hasn't.

you can't prove anything beyond using a statement and incident that said nothing beyond Sasuke being shown to dismiss Kurama's influence over Naruto at the time, but you're here trying to completely dismiss my claim just because it wasn't shown to happen. With no feats and no statement actually hinting at something being possible, why exactly should i believe it?

 

[TrollingSage]

Are you saying Hagoromo gave Sasuke power but not Naruto? Naruto's new chakra mode is a result from all nine tailed beasts chakra residing in him.

Naruto's infinite sage mode and the ability to heal is a result of Hago's chakra

 

[ShinjuMadara]

It hasn't been fully explained

 

[lucario14]

Same rinnegan capabilities different variant...

Only significant difference is that Hagoromoo's chakra would eat Sasuke's in comparison.

Kishi made it clear that chakra>>>everything else you come to understand in the last 600 chapters.

I agree with this. =D

 

[KCMNaruto]

Tomoe Rinnegan ~ Double Rinnegan > Rinnegan.

Sasuke's eye seems to be more powerfull if he has all Rinnegan paths as well.
However Hagoromo's paths attack would be stronger as he posses Rikudou body with at top of it Rikudou Senjutsu which greatly enhance all his abilties. Hagoromo has also much bigger amount of chakra so except extra ability of Tomoe Rinnegan at top of normal Rinnegan Hagoromo's abilities are more powerfull one.

Also there is not solo clap or magic turn of target in core for Chibaku Tensei. The only reason it worked is due to tailed beasts being eariler marked by yin and yang seals through Kaguya's body. Just take closer look how both CT moon of Hagoromo and CT of Sasuke work in the same principle. That why it only worked on bijuu, not at Naruto, Kakashi or Sakura.

Sasuke can not replicate it unless both yin and yang seal mark someone/something.

Sasuke is also less expierienced and new to his new eye powers so Hagoromo has advantage there as well.

 

[gershwonder]

Earlier you were saying his new eye couldn't use his Sharingans powers,and said it was just like the normal Rinnegan.

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Now that you've realized that you are wrong you're saying that Madara and Obito could use their MS powers with their Rinnegan.

1)Obito had 1 Rinnegan and 1 Sharingan - with the Sharingan he used his MS powers.

2)Madara only used Susano'o with Rinnegan which can also be done with no eyes.

Sasuke's CT wasn't as larger of a scale of Madaras but thats cause he clearly didn't want it to be.His aim was to capture the Bijuu which he did with ease,not drop meteors on them.

Madara used Black orbs to bring everything toward it,then launched it it his targets.Sasuke used the target itself as the core bringing everything to it.

Thats clearly better than using Orbs.

Id say the Sasuke CT is a different variation of the CT used by Madara and Nagato. that variation worked better to capture the Tailed Beasts individually, but an orbed CT (with an equal attractive force) could have captured them just as well, only they would have been grouped together. either variation has its use in different situations. the sole fact that Sasuke's CT used was different doesnt automatically mean his Rinnigan is better