Sasuke's Rinnegan

[Mikeuhsomething36]

1. It was never stated that Kabuto used Hashirama's cells to keep Sasuke from dying. What Kabuto actually said was that his inspiration for being as good a medic as he was came from studying Hashirama's cells. Orochimaru already stated during the 2nd arc in P2 that Kabuto was excellent at keeping his test subjects from dying with his medical expertise.

3. Ok, the manga shows a clear difference of performance in regards to seeing Madara and Obito using one of their eyes vs. using both of them. Obito already showed that it only takes one eye to put a bijuu under hypnosis with just 1 Sharingan, so that's not that big a deal. Hagoromo's remark about the incident in question was merely about how Sasuke hypnotized all 9 bijuu with just 1 glance, not how much power it took to do it.

Secondly, this fantasy about how Sasuke's Rinnegan is > than Madara/Hagoromo's Rinnegan's needs to stop ASAP. It makes absolutely no sense that Sasuke would be given a Rinnegan that is > than a Rikudou when it came from one, let alone claim it's stronger because it happened to have tomoe in it w/o anything that shows/mentions it as being stronger. The difference in power can especially be shown when comparing Madara's CTs against Sasuke's. For crying out loud, Madara made CT's that dwarfed Sasuke's mech, and Sasuke's was barely large enough to hold a fully cognizant bijuu. And you're asking for proof of a difference in eye power? Dude, did you not pay attention to what Madara told Obito about how the full strength of someone's eyes becomes evident when both are together? That means 2 of the same kind of eyes in both sockets are in fact, better than 1.

Thirdly, it's way past time to quit giving these combo names like Sharinnegan to Sasuke's Rinnegan just to make it sound like it's better. It's just a Rinnegan with tomoe in it, that's it. The only ppl who officially had an eye with a combo name is Madara and Kaguya.

Fourth, i noticed how you try to argue against Madara's JJ feats, yet every last one of Sasuke's feats that were performed since coming off the sidelines can be attributed to having gotten chakra from either someone with bijuu power or the bijuu themselves.

Lastly, Sasuke's difficulty in handling his Rinnegan wasn't because it was better than a Rikudou's Rinnegan. It was because Sasuke was either too weak/inefficient to handle one, he wasn't the genius that he was reported to be, or a combination of both. Nagato had to have near bijuu chakra lvls to handle Madara's Rinnegan, and even then it was taking everything out of him.

Okay by the sound of the way you typed you did not read my OP at...all

1.There ARE translations either mangapanda or *********** that said he IMPLANTED them into Sasuke which people usev as a basis to say hashirama's cells were a major factor, it's surprising people have this logic. Not you but the fanfic section.

3.what's the difference? Obito only put 6 bijuu under his control...and he barely managed that but he absolutely did not manage that with a glance, heck he even had trouble keeping the bijuu under his control as shown when the five tails was able to break free momentarily, a battle worn sasuke placed all NINE bijuu under his control with a single glance. yes it's possible to do it with the sharnningan and rinnegan howver;Hagoromo was surprised by the speed and amount of time it took which was only a glance. I never referred to the power anyway...i referred to the skill and capability.

I can see you are a madara fanboy, allow me to explain, you don't read....did i not clearly say that the reason madara's CT outdid sasuke was because he had the juubi??????? Give Sasuke the shinju and the juubi and lets see how "equal" they are or lets take away Madara's shinju and juubi and still keeping his rinnegan and again lets see how "equal" they are...you Madara fans really are predictable even when something's adressed you want o bring it up like it wasn't oh you mean just like how Kaguya needs two rinne sharnningan to be complete right? and wasn't this statement made before madara saw sasuke's eye and his rinne sharnningan???? your logic amuses me, the reason i said it was stronger was in terms of quality, even when sasuke had half of Hagoromo's chakra, tomoe rinnegan still DRAINED his chakra like crazy, obito could only manage one of madara's rinnegan so by YOUR logic you are saying that tomoe rinnegan is below or equal to rinnegan (regular) so i guess that means, Obito's chakra quality and quantity is on par with half of Hagoromo's chakra and sasuke's chakra vwho even he had trouble with the chakra taxing eye??? That's Ridiculously Laughable :leaf:. Rinnegan is a spiritual eye, spiritual is yin, hagoromo's yin+Indra's yin gave birth to the tomoe rinnegan. Sasuke's eyes is superior in that instance, the reason people say no to hagoromo is becaue they forget...HAGOROMO HAD A LARGE CHAKRA QUANTITY AND QUALITY so of course his POWER would be greater than sasuke's but sasuke's has his Yin and indra's yin so his eye is stronger but sasuke is VASTLY inferior to hagoromo in the yang department which makes hagoromo as a WHOLE stronger but sasuke's eye is superior which I ALREADY ADDRESSED...Goodness it's like you don't read. There is only one of Sasuke's eye which is greater than or equal to a regular pair of rinnegan because last time i checked the only time i see chibaku tensei is when a full pair of rinnegan is together, am I wrong? and sasuke's rinnegan is meant to be one so your logic is questionable.

3.Wh-when did i ever use the term "sharinnegan" in my OP all I said is sasuke can use rinnegan and sharnningan powers in conjuction in his rinnegan, in fact his sharnningan powers are amped in his rinnegan as noted by rinnegan:genjutsu that he used while it was active. It can use both rinnegan and sharnningan powers making it superior, am I wrong? manga facts say otherwise if you do.

4.Chibaku tensei was not from bijuu power, black chidori was not from bijuu power, disecting Juubi Jin Madara was not from bijuu power, making a PS that is leagues faster than Madara's is not from Bijuu power, destroying a meteor, not from bijuu power,solo glancing the bijuu not from bijuu power. i can assure you this list goes on. and when did i argue completely against JJ Madara feats, i mentioned his feat....ONCE and it was one feat, are you SERIOUSLY saying that Sasuke is inferior to madara, rinnegan wise, oh I'm sorry i couldn';t here you over the SHINJU and the JUUBI that juubi jin madara has to amplify his abilities, that doesn't make his rinnegan stronger than sasuke's it means he has the power to amplify his techs because he's a juubi jin. which brings me o the hammer example i posted above.

5.Is that why he eventually got used to it? even kurama noted it as it just being the fact that the eye was new. Did you not read my Obito sentiment? even when obito was new to his eye he could maintain it again unless you want to argue, Obito>Half of Hagoromo's chakra. It's time to take those fanboy glases off and see the truth for what it is, Sasuke's eye is greater than or equal to a standard rinnegan pair

 

[WalksInShadows]

Okay by the sound of the way you typed you did not read my OP at...all


3.what's the difference? Obito only put 6 bijuu under his control...and he barely managed that but he absolutely did not manage that with a glance, heck he even had trouble keeping the bijuu under his control as shown when the five tails was able to break free momentarily, a battle worn sasuke placed all NINE bijuu under his control with a single glance. yes it's possible to do it with the sharnningan and rinnegan howver;Hagoromo was surprised by the speed and amount of time it took which was only a glance. I never referred to the power anyway...i referred to the skill and capability.

First off, your own ignorance betrayed you, because while you are here attempting to tell me what i didn't read, the whole basis of your argument was trying to disprove some supposed misconception that Sasuke's Rinnegan was weaker than the kind used by other characters. Call me crazy, but that has nothing to do with comparing someone's skill with a Rinnegan vs. another character's. So either you can't tell the difference between the 2, or you're trying to make some half baked excuse claiming you were referring to Sasuke's skill now that someone put your feet to the fire in trying to prove otherwie.

I can see you are a madara fanboy, allow me to explain, you don't read....did i not clearly say that the reason madar a's CT outdid sasuke was because he had the juubi??????? Give Sasuke the shinju and the juubi and lets see how "equal" they are or lets take away Madara's shinju and juubi and still keeping his rinnegan and again lets see how "equal" they are...you Madara fans really are predictable even when something's adressed you want o bring it up like it wasn't

if Sasuke's Rinnegan is so much better than Madara's, then why did you even feel the need to bring up Madara being a JJ in the first place? One glance at your argument is all it takes to know you are nobody to be bringing somebody's fandom into an argument, especially given the extremely ridiculous lengths to which you have gone to just to make Sasuke's Rinnegan sound like it's anything other than what it actually is.

oh you mean just like how Kaguya needs two rinne sharnningan to be complete right? and wasn't this statement made before madara saw sasuke's eye and his rinne sharnningan????

yeah, using a forehead eye is certainly going to make your argument look more valid...>.>

How many more times does someone need to tell you that it's no Rinne Sharingan? For crying out loud, the DB and manga says it's just a Rinnegan. What makes it even worse is that the DB clearly specified Madara and Kaguya's forehead eye to be the Rinne Sharingan, yet here you are still pulling stuff out of thin air.

your logic amuses me, the reason i said it was stronger was in terms of quality, even when sasuke had half of Hagoromo's chakra, tomoe rinnegan still DRAINED his chakra like crazy, obito could only manage one of madara's rinnegan so by YOUR logic you are saying that tomoe rinnegan is below or equal to rinnegan (regular) so i guess that means, Obito's chakra quality and quantity is on par with half of Hagoromo's chakra and sasuke's chakra vwho even he had trouble with the chakra taxing eye??? That's Ridiculously Laughable

i'm supposed to learn logic from someone trying to use a forehead eye as a means of equating it as an eye that's meant to be in an eye socket? XD:leaf:.

Rinnegan is a spiritual eye, spiritual is yin, hagoromo's yin+Indra's yin gave birth to the tomoe rinnegan. Sasuke's eyes is superior in that instance, the reason people say no to hagoromo is becaue they forget...HAGOROMO HAD A LARGE CHAKRA QUANTITY AND QUALITY so of course his POWER would be greater than sasuke's but sasuke's has his Yin and indra's yin so his eye is stronger but sasuke is VASTLY inferior to hagoromo in the yang department which makes hagoromo as a WHOLE stronger but sasuke's eye is superior which I ALREADY ADDRESSED...Goodness it's like you don't read.

O my goodness. The sheer stupidity and speculation in this is just.......beyond facepalmworthy. I honestly don't know whethere to laugh or cry. You're honestly trying to convince me that it makes total sense that Hagoromo gave Sasuke an eye that was stronger than his and that Madara would decide Sasuke's eye wasn't worth the trouble when he decided that it was much better to get his own. And oh, this is all while you got absolutely nothing to back it up. No scans, no mention of an incident where it was stated, or even a reference to a DB statement. I'm just supposed to take your word for it because you say so, right?

There is only one of Sasuke's eye which is greater than or equal to a regular pair of rinnegan because last time i checked the only time i see chibaku tensei is when a full pair of rinnegan is together, am I wrong? and sasuke's rinnegan is meant to be one so your logic is questionable.

you say my logic is questionable, yet what i claimed can actually be found in the manga. You're the one making all of this half-baked, half-assed claims with no referrence in the least just to suit what isn't even an argument.

3.Wh-when did i ever use the term "sharinnegan" in my OP all I said is sasuke can use rinnegan and sharnningan powers in conjuction in his rinnegan, in fact his sharnningan powers are amped in his rinnegan as noted by rinnegan:genjutsu that he used while it was active. It can use both rinnegan and sharnningan powers making it superior, am I wrong? manga facts say otherwise if you do.

you obviously didn't read what i posted, otherwise you would've found the word "like" in there. And big whoop, Madara was able to use his Sharingan abilities with his Rinnegan active before he became JJ. You're either twisting facts to suit your agenda or you didn't do a good enough job paying attention to Madara's fights when he was undead.

4.Chibaku tensei was not from bijuu power, black chidori was not from bijuu power, disecting Juubi Jin Madara was not from bijuu power, making a PS that is leagues faster than Madara's is not from Bijuu power, destroying a meteor, not from bijuu power,solo glancing the bijuu not from bijuu power. i can assure you this list goes on. and when did i argue completely against JJ Madara feats, i mentioned his feat....ONCE and it was one feat, are you SERIOUSLY saying that Sasuke is inferior to madara, rinnegan wise, oh I'm sorry i couldn';t here you over the SHINJU and the JUUBI that juubi jin madara has to amplify his abilities, that doesn't make his rinnegan stronger than sasuke's it means he has the power to amplify his techs because he's a juubi jin. which brings me o the hammer example i posted above.

First of all, let me get this straight: the CTs Madara used were due to power that didn't come from his eyes, but Sasuke's CTs were? Because this is exactly what you are saying. Something with this logic of yours' stinks to high heaven.

2. It's funny how claims like Sasuke's mech is supposedly faster than Madara's float around, yet no one can ever prove it since Madara had no discernible reason to ever fly in his. You should've seriously considered doing yourself and everyone else a favor and stop posting in this thread the moment you typed this. You are completely embarrasing yourself now.

5.Is that why he eventually got used to it? even kurama noted it as it just being the fact that the eye was new.

and yet Yin Kurama and Naruto took the opportunity noted that Sasuke hasn't mastered it yet. Sometime before that fight even started, Sasuke just got through saying he was only beginning to get used to it. So no, you still have yet to prove anything i should even consider as a valid counterargument.you

It's time to take those fanboy glases off and see the truth for what it is, Sasuke's eye is greater than or equal to a standard rinnegan pair

now this is funny, coming from a fanboy making claims i couldn't help but laugh and smh at. All you've done is twisted facts and ignored others to suit your own argument and discount those from someone whose arguments are backed up by what was actually shown in the story and didn't have to pull anything out of a fantasy world.