Sasuke's real speed

[shelke]

@Trolling Sage

Doesn't mean anything when you have zero proof other than your own interpretations. Third Raikage is considerably slower than fourth. Don't know where you even got that faster from. Sasuke couldn't react to Lee, when he could see all his movements. He couldn't react to V2 Ae, when he could just about see where he was going, which is why he even used Enton, as he couldn't physically react. And Minato was bested even with FTG, which is instant. Again irrelevant.

In case of Sasuke, both opponents lunged at each other and Sasuke easily - without ANY effort whatsoever - evaded Ae in V1. Obito and Deidara also commented how incredibility fast Sasuke was. This latest feats with KCM Naruto also add to the hype. Simple.

 

[Turson]

@Trolling Sage
Third Raikage is considerably slower than fourth.

Actually, we dont know which one if them is faster. We just know that 3rd had more durable body.

"All Raikages are incredibly fast" - Naruto. Thats all we know when it comes to their speed.

 

[shelke]

Actually, we dont know which one if them is faster. We just know that 3rd had more durable body.

"All Raikages are incredibly fast" - Naruto. Thats all we know when it comes to their speed.

Their Cloaks?

 

[Multiply]

@Trolling Sage

Doesn't mean anything when you have zero proof other than your own interpretations. Third Raikage is considerably slower than fourth. Don't know where you even got that faster from. Sasuke couldn't react to Lee, when he could see all his movements. He couldn't react to V2 Ae, when he could just about see where he was going, which is why he even used Enton, as he couldn't physically react. And Minato was bested even with FTG, which is instant. Again irrelevant.

In case of Sasuke, both opponents lunged at each other and Sasuke easily - without ANY effort whatsoever - evaded Ae in V1. Obito and Deidara also commented how incredibility fast Sasuke was. This latest feats with KCM Naruto also add to the hype. Simple.

Sasuke went against an elbow, which is a considerably slower attack. Try punching something, then go throw an elbow at it. Elbows are slower, but more powerful. Punches are faster, but less powerful.

Not to mention Sasuke, who you argue is faster than Ay, was picked up and body slammed, chopped in his neck(Even with sharingan pre-cog), and almost had his neck crushed by Ay's leg. That's a lot of getting hit for someone who is meant to be faster than his opponent(Reflex and reaction wise).

PS: You think Itachi and Sasuke are faster than Ay in footspeed... SMH U_U.

 

[TrollingSage]

@Trolling Sage

Doesn't mean anything when you have zero proof other than your own interpretations. Third Raikage is considerably slower than fourth. Don't know where you even got that faster from. .

The irony. Saying I have no proof and yet you make statements like that. Isn't that your own interpretation as well. Where was it ever indicated that the 3rd is slower? Where's your proof of that?

Sasuke couldn't react to Lee, when he could see all his movements.

Sasuke couldnt keep up with Naruto at VOTE. Yet he could after awakening 3 tomoe. Did awakening the 3 tomoe increase his speed? You see where I am going with this right

In case of Sasuke, both opponents lunged at each other and Sasuke easily - without ANY effort whatsoever - evaded Ae in V1. Obito and Deidara also commented how incredibility fast Sasuke was.

Sasuke countered V1 Ay in almost the same way Naruto countered the 3rd.

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The 2 incidents are almost carbon copies of each other. They were both precog and reflex speeds, not actual footspeed.

This latest feats with KCM Naruto also add to the hype. Simple

Weird. I don't recall either Sasuke or Naruto displaying any speed feats of late. You must be reading a different manga.

 

[Avinash012]

@Trolling Sage

Doesn't mean anything when you have zero proof other than your own interpretations. Third Raikage is considerably slower than fourth. Don't know where you even got that faster from. Sasuke couldn't react to Lee, when he could see all his movements. He couldn't react to V2 Ae, when he could just about see where he was going, which is why he even used Enton, as he couldn't physically react. And Minato was bested even with FTG, which is instant. Again irrelevant.

In case of Sasuke, both opponents lunged at each other and Sasuke easily - without ANY effort whatsoever - evaded Ae in V1. Obito and Deidara also commented how incredibility fast Sasuke was. This latest feats with KCM Naruto also add to the hype. Simple.

Care to explain how someone can increase / decrease his speed in the middle air.....

Care to explain Y the same Sasuke that couldn't even react to Naruto's attack's managed to Keep up with Naruto with same speed during the same fight....

 

[Oblivionx]

Sasuke's far faster than Base and SM naruto. Reflexes =/= speed. sasuke has shown a lot more speed feat than naruto. Dodging 3rd Raikage's attacks doesn't mean naruto's as fast as 3rd raikage :|... Sasuke whipped Km0 naruto's ass at vote while he was slower than naruto.

That's a common misconception here that dodging/blocking means you're instantly faster than the person.

well aren't you underestimating SM...? if naruto's reflexes are not speed then so are sasuke's...! unless you wanna say that sasuke showed speed against 4th and naruto reflexes against 3rd...! sasuke used sharingan and naruto sensing...! i don't see how sasuke is fast than SM naruto...!

 

[Turson]

Their Cloaks?

What about them?

 

[shelke]

Sasuke went against an elbow, which is a considerably slower attack. Try punching something, then go throw an elbow at it. Elbows are slower, but more powerful. Punches are faster, but less powerful.

Not to mention Sasuke, who you argue is faster than Ay, was picked up and body slammed, chopped in his neck(Even with sharingan pre-cog), and almost had his neck crushed by Ay's leg. That's a lot of getting hit for someone who is meant to be faster than his opponent(Reflex and reaction wise).

PS: You think Itachi and Sasuke are faster than Ay in footspeed... SMH .

Bull shit. That is all. That Elbow Logic of yours is without fact or base. V1 Ae? Damn Straight. V2 Ae? Nope. Ah, you mean that sasuke who had his fingers stuck in his chest?

@Trolling Sage You obviously have zero clue what Reaction Rate actually is. Better hit google. Two opponents lunging at each other at high speed and if one evades the other isn't Reaction Rate. That only can be applicable in CQC. SM Naruto IS faster than Third Raikage and Sasuke is faster than his successor.

He IS considerably slower as he has no V2 Lightening Armour. Do I even have to state the obvious?

Yes, because there is No way in ****ing hell Sasuke could have ever improved upon his speed, like ever. Always with the same Anti-Sasuke comments with no proof. Yeah, because Raikage obviously has V2 Armour like his son.

 

[Turson]

He IS considerably slower as he has no V2 Lightening Armour. Do I even have to state the obvious?

Wait a sec. Why did you even mention V2 when Sasuke never dodged A in that state?

 

[shelke]

@Turson

For God-sake's man, at least read the whole thing. He said 4th Raikage is equal to 3rd in speed, when I said the latter is considerably slower as he lacks V2. I never even once stated that Sasuke dodged or even attempted so for V2.

 

[Turson]

@Turson

For God-sake's man, at least read the whole thing. He said 4th Raikage is equal to 3rd in speed, when I said the latter is considerably slower as he lacks V2. I never even once stated that Sasuke dodged or even attempted so for V2.

To be frank, just becuase 3rd lacks V2 doesnt mean A is much faster. The only one who fought both of them is Naruto, and while describing their speed he wasnt playing favorites.

 

[TrollingSage]

@Trolling Sage You obviously have zero clue what Reaction Rate actually is. Better hit google. Two opponents lunging at each other at high speed and if one evades the other isn't Reaction Rate. That only can be applicable in CQC. SM Naruto IS faster than Third Raikage and Sasuke is faster than his successor.

Actually you're the one who needs to hit google. Like those scan showed, both Naruto Sasuke avoided the Raikages' attack by predicting and reacting to their opponents movements at the last second. The fact that they lunged at each other has nothing to do with it. Naruto sensed and reacted just as the Raikage was about to hit him with his attack, in the same way Sasuke saw through the Raikage's movement and avoided his punch, which gave him an opening to attack him with his chidori. Both incidents did not require any foot speed.
Edit: On second thought, you;re right. Naruto is faster than the 3rd because of that incident.
He even says just before the final clash that
"I can move faster with frog fu in sagemode, I just have to dodge his strike at the last second,"

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He IS considerably slower as he has no V2 Lightening Armour. Do I even have to state the obvious?

He said 4th Raikage is equal to 3rd in speed, when I said the latter is considerably slower as he lacks V2

I never said anything of that sort. My argument was that Sasuke isnt faster than v1 Ay and Naruto isnt faster than the 3rd Raikage just because they were able to counter their attacks.
We were talking about v1 Ay and the 3rd Raikage. IF you actually meant V2 Ay> 3rd Raikage in speed, then you may be right. Well done. Now how does that help you prove your point. Oh wait it doesnt. It has nothing to do with my argument

Yes, because there is No way in ****ing hell Sasuke could have ever improved upon his speed, like ever

Again I never said anything like that. If you're talking about my comment about VOTE Sasuke vs Naruto, then yea you're right. There's no way Sasuke could have increased his speed that much within those few minutes. He kept up with Naruto purely because of the advanced pre-cog that came with 3t

 

[shelke]

@Turson

Sasuke with #t could barely keep up with V2 Ae's speed. The only thing he could manage was to coat his Susano'o with Enton. In case of Raikge, all of the individuals on the battle-field could see his movements and devise counter-strategies such as Doton-Wall and Lava-Style Rubber-Wall.

The manga also states this -

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- The Third was Famous for this Shield and Endurance Not his Speed. Ae was famous for his Lightening fast speed. Even Minato commented on it. V1 is pretty fast but there is no way he's in V2. You must be kidding me.

 

[saw2097]

Sasuke is about as fast as SM Naruto maybe, he would never be able to keep up with KCM Naruto or heaven help him BM Naruto.

Sasuke's fast but he could barely keep up with V1 Ay, and Ay almost killed him and basically slammed Sasuke into the ground. The only reason he survived was because of Susanoo.

Sasuke is probably number 5 among living ninja without FTG. Naruto, Killer Bee, Ay, and obviously Juubito are all faster then him.

 

[shelke]

@Trolling Sage

- Proof for any of your statement that it were reflexes and not foot speed? None. Don't even try to throw a silly reverse Logic in my face, as Manga only show-cases foot speed. Again, you have no clue about Reaction Rate.

- How do you expect them to react to attacks? Starting running a marathon with them and the one who comes first, wins? Right.

- Both were attacking. One used Chidori, other his Elbow attack. Don't even see a point here.

- Funny, you brought out the argument that the Third isn't considerably slower and I proved so. Why thank you. I always knew I was bang on the money. Still doesn't prove your elaborate Hypothesis.

- Not even my point. Comparing Part 1 to Part 2's speed is lunacy. keep doing it as it adds nothing to your argument.

 

[TrollingSage]

@Trolling Sage

- Proof for any of your statement that it were reflexes and not foot speed? None. Don't even try to throw a silly reverse Logic in my face, as Manga only show-cases foot speed. Again, you have no clue about Reaction Rate.

I like how you ignored my scan where Naruto explicitly states his heightened sensing and reflexes in sage mode is going to help him counter the 3rd.

- Both were attacking. One used Chidori, other his Elbow attack. Don't even see a point here.

The point is Sasuke's sharingan helped him predict where Ay's elbow attack was going to land. He was able to dodge it and strike Ay with his chidori as a result of that.

- Not even my point. Comparing Part 1 to Part 2's speed is lunacy. keep doing it as it adds nothing to your argument

Again I never did anything like that. Stop putting words in my mouth shelke. Just because you have no decent argument doesnt mean you should put words in my mouth. My comment about VOTE sasuke was pretty much illustrating how someone can keep up with an opponent is faster than him, if he has a sharingan or any other sensing/ precog ability. Sasuke keeping up with Naruto after getting 3t eventhough he was getting his ass handed to him pretty much proves my point. How is this even difficult to understand.

 

[Gary777]

3 tommoe can only keep up with sm naruto ...
naruto is not weak he even defended himself against pein in hand combat ...wen he got sm back with clone he beat the crap out of pein ... Just to show wat sm does ...
Sasuke needs his sharingan to fight naruto ...
Base sasuke is weaker ...
Naruto is way faster n stronger with kyuubis power ... Dont forget those deflected bijuudamas

 

[shelke]

@Trolling Sage

- Ignore what? Sage Mode is known to enhance all bodily stats. Perhaps you missed that part. Also, that part simply showcases that Naruto intends to dodge his attack. Again, don't see any point in that. You have still failed to disprove that SM Naruto is faster than V1 Raikage. Where is your proof? Since you have jack on you, don't make this point again.

All Ninjas are shown to utilize their senses to evade enemy attacks. It isn't out of the world, nor is it a freaking big deal. Sasuke had his back turned to Mei and he STILL intercepted her attack, when he never saw her initiate it. Does that imply that he is a sensor? Nope. It simply means that a decent ninja is able to react and sense attacks. Tenten reacted to Deidara when he was hiding in the grass and made a slight sound. All these do not prove anything but basic Ninja reflex and sensory actions that all decent Shinobis possess. To exploit upon this point is lunacy.

- I am not putting words in to your mouth, you yourself keep dragging the argument back to the same freaking chapter again. Naruto upped his speed tremendously in the same chapter and Sasuke had nothing on him to react. No one is denying that 3T aided him then, but guess what? He has had 3T for three years after that and so, trained in body in accordance with it.

Tobi and Deidara commented how fast Sasuke was. Juugo and Team 7's Reunion also illustrate this. Heck Bee also comments that Sasuke is the ONLY person other than his brother to dodge that attack. So all of them are wrong in your opinion? What does that prove? The manga has placed Sasuke on a higher speed tier than Bee on that panel, albeit Sasuke was severely injured during the fight as well. Manga dialogues are the key. Why do you keep ignoring them?

Don't even start with me on this. You just don't want to accept it and it's hardly anything new.

 

[Xāvî1]

I am making this thread because a lot of people on the base think sasuke is slow, but he is the opposite of that he is really fast. I think Base Sasuke is roughly as fast as SM Naruto. This because of the following two scans in which Naruto and Sasuke fight the Third and Fourth Raikage respectively.

Naruto vs Third Raikage

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Sasuke vs Fourth Raikage

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Both Raikage's have the standard lightning armor activated and both Naruto and Sasuke where able to anticipate with their reflexes and their bodies where able to counter attack with high speed. Both base Sasuke and SM Naruto are as fast as lightning armor V1.
The Fourth Raikage has a lightning armor V2 and that is comparable to Naruto's KM and BM.

So, while Sasuke is a bit slower than Naruto he is really fast and he can keep up with him.

PS: So I had this theory that Sasuke will copy the Raikages lightning armor, but only V1. It would make sense because Sasuke has an affinity for Lightning and his reflexes are top-notch.

SAge mode naruto has faster reflexes but not speed compared to his BM