Sasuke's real speed

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in deidara fight and early shipuuden sasuke use shunshin variation, not pure speed. also base naruto speed after invasion of pain = sasuke base speed without shunshin.
Shunshin is just heightened foot speed. It doesn't matter if it's a jutsu, it's still foot speed. Or does Raikage's speed not count because of Lightning Armor? Or Naruto's doesn't count because it's SM and KM/BM?
 

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base sasuke in the chunin exams was as fast as lee with the gates open...or maybe it was with the weights off but anyway i thought it was set in stone that sasuke was fast as nuts...one of the fastest in the series in my opinion
 

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What proof you have? None. None but your ignorant self claims. We have manga panels backing up a shit load of people basically going "gdaghd;harguhjrquei So fast!" for sasuke and left barely able to react; yet, say nothing for naruto. Yea, we'll take your word for it.
None? Go read the fight against pain again. He has impressive speed feats, which you fanboys ignore just to favor sasuke. Care to show the scan that proves that sasuke is faster than SM naruto? Can you show sasuke travelling a distance greater than naruto SM and in less time, or in the same time?

Naruto was in the top of gamakichi, and gamakichi was in the head of gamabunta when they appeared in konoha. Then, of one the paths went all out against tsunade, extremelly fast. Yet, naruto had time to notice that, make a rasengan, and destroy the path before it could reach tsunade. That's one the feats, by the way, if you're too lazy to understand a situation.
 

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no it doesn't. That's the argument everyone likes to use when they want to tout their fav char's speed... These scans already prove that fallacy wrong...

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Naruto was so much faster than sasuke that he couldn't even see him, let alone react. For that matter, he didn't get time to think. But, simply getting better precog allowed him to effortlessly keep up the same naruto under comparable circumstances.

Kishi already answered these questions long ago but people either don't read part 1, or deny manga fact... SM naruto had the help of nature to prepare himself to dodge, same with sasuke against raikage. That doesn't mean they're anywhere close to them in speed. by that logic, kabuto should be the fastest guy for having dodged a susano'o arrow. Ducking/moving your arm/contorting your body is a lot faster than moving your entire body in a certain direction.

Sasuke is faster than Naruto in speed as dictated in the manga.
Sasuke > Naruto/SM naruto in speed
V2 Ay >= Bm naruto > Kcm naruto in speed.


Give me a break. Naruto did an off panel feat against pain. Clearly he didn't move that fast by the simple fact that he had time to create a rasengan and jump from his toad (rasengans require a clone). The same pain that effortlessly kept up with him with the other paths. NAruto has no comparable speed feats to sasuke who was able to blitz a Cm monster; Blitz Team 7; Blitz
It is a Fact that you need comparable speed in your body to keep up with the reflexes. This was explained in the rock lee vs Sasuke fight very well. Because your body needs to be fast enough to dodge attacks.

And Ay is never faster than BM/KM Naruto. Naruto blitzed him. And this is coming from someone who dislikes Naruto.

I am wondering if you really readthe manga...
 

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Oh, what a great argument. He isn't faster. His speed is close, of course, very close,but not above naruto's. If you actually paid attention to the distances they "travel" and the time in which this distance is travelled. you'd see the difference. SM naruto showed notable speed feats in the pain fight, mostly in the beggining.

Now, saying that sasuke is above KM naruto is just pure fanboyism.
getting mad is a Different thing..then for Once Debate Normal..no Fanboy.. logic in THis Thread ....
i think i'm gonne have heartattack !
 

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Sasuke > Naruto base
Sasuke = SM Naruto
Every other variation of Naruto fodderizes Sasuke in speed. There's no need to even post the rest U_U
 

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None? Go read the fight against pain again. He has impressive speed feats, which you fanboys ignore just to favor sasuke. Care to show the scan that proves that sasuke is faster than SM naruto? Can you show sasuke travelling a distance greater than naruto SM and in less time, or in the same time?

Naruto was in the top of gamakichi, and gamakichi was in the head of gamabunta when they appeared in konoha. Then, of one the paths went all out against tsunade, extremelly fast. Yet, naruto had time to notice that, make a rasengan, and destroy the path before it could reach tsunade. That's one the feats, by the way, if you're too lazy to understand a situation.
No, you go re-read the entire manga and stop fanboying. I don't need to be a fanboy to see sasuke is faster than that idiot naruto. You're just skewing nonsense to suit your argument clinging to one scan. Do you have a second scan? No. Apart from that one asura crap, what other scan do you have? None. Sm naruto is clearly slower than Sasuke, only a deluded person would ever believe he wasn't. Pain effortlessly kept up with SM naruto. Jumping down from a toads head and letting 9.81m/s^2 of gravitational acceleration propel your body isn't a hard feat. Do you have any scan of naruto 'blitzing' without having to be carried 90% of the time by gravity? No. Just don't bother responded, because your only response is to assume I'm a sasuke wanker simply because you're an idiotic naruto wanker.

@underline: Proof that asura is 'extremely fast' as you claim to tailor suit your argument, because as far as I recall, naruto could sense every single person in konoha. By the point asura's foot twitched naruto would have been on the move and preparing a rasengan mid air. Shitty tailor made argument.

It is a Fact that you need comparable speed in your body to keep up with the reflexes. This was explained in the rock lee vs Sasuke fight very well. Because your body needs to be fast enough to dodge attacks.

And Ay is never faster than BM/KM Naruto. Naruto blitzed him. And this is coming from someone who dislikes Naruto.

I am wondering if you really readthe manga...
I just provided manga scans and this is what you tell me? Lmfao, are you serious right now? Sasuke had a 2 tomoe sharingan with rocklee, like with naruto, and rocklee speedblitz him, like naruto.

>Naruto blitzed Ay.
I'd kindly like this scan.
>Dislikes naruto.
That's cool and all but i'd like the scan.

I'm wondering if I read it to.

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Someone just said V2 Ay >= BM Naruto when KCM Naruto outclassed V2 Ay... What the hell is wrong with fanboys.
Again, Requesting scan of this outclass.

What I remember is naruto dodging an attack. With naruto's sensing, that ain't hard to do.
 

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Again, Requesting scan of this outclass.

What I remember is naruto dodging an attack. With naruto's sensing, that ain't hard to do.
So basically because Naruto has sensing any speed feat he has is nullified. He ran right past Ay when Ay went to hit him. It's not like Naruto ducked or anything... He just ran straight past the guy. Quit your whining or I'll disgrace you with Ay body slamming Sasuke.

Here's some scans:
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Ay even admits inferiority(Speed wise):
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So now that wew have scans, how much more are you willing to wank?
 
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No, you go re-read the entire manga and stop fanboying. I don't need to be a fanboy to see sasuke is faster than that idiot naruto. You're just skewing nonsense to suit your argument clinging to one scan. Do you have a second scan? No. Apart from that one asura crap, what other scan do you have? None. Sm naruto is clearly slower than Sasuke, only a deluded person would ever believe he wasn't. Pain effortlessly kept up with SM naruto. Jumping down from a toads head and letting 9.81m/s^2 of gravitational acceleration propel your body isn't a hard feat. Do you have any scan of naruto 'blitzing' without having to be carried 90% of the time by gravity? No. Just don't bother responded, because your only response is to assume I'm a sasuke wanker simply because you're an idiotic naruto wanker.

@underline: Proof that asura is 'extremely fast' as you claim to tailor suit your argument, because as far as I recall, naruto could sense every single person in konoha. By the point asura's foot twitched naruto would have been on the move and preparing a rasengan mid air. Shitty tailor made argument.
Ha, pain was keeping up effortlessly? You are the one who should read the manga, if he was keeping up effortlessly, asura wouldn't have been one shotted like that. And the proff that he was going fast is that asura used a boost to launch himself to tsunade just like a missile.
I'm aware of the gravity acceleration. Still, he wouldn't have reached asura instantly just with that. Gamabunta is very tall, and to reach the ground, naruto would probably need some 6-8 seconds, maybe more. Give me gamabunta's exactly height and I'll give the time to you.

And of one the most impressive speed feat of sasuke is the one that he reached naruto in the team 7 reunion, and in that feat, there was gravity as well. You're the one with the shitty argument here.
 

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So basically because Naruto has sensing any speed feat he has is nullified. He ran right past Ay when Ay went to hit him. It's not like Naruto ducked or anything... He just ran straight past the guy. Quit your whining or I'll disgrace you with Ay body slamming Sasuke.

Here's some scans:
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Ay even admits inferiority(Speed wise):
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So now that wew have scans, how much more are you willing to wank?
@bold: No, I never said that. Because naruto has sensing, he has increased time to react to an attack.
@2nd bold: lmfao. It's amazing you think i'd care. I'm not here defending sasuke because I like him. I'm here defending Sasuke because I dislike naruto fanboys who constantly wank him. You could provide any childish scan you want, but I can retort with 1 while defeating your argument with scans.

Anyway. Since you already posted the scans, let me point out to you how wrong you are. You state that "naruto ran around ay's attack". Lol, since when? What proof do you have? First scan, first panel. Look at the distance of naruto to the back wall.
Second scan, bottom center panel, look at naruto to the back wall. It's exactly the same. All naruto did was pull back his body and let Raikage fly by. Actually, I'll show you exactly what it would look like if kishi added another scan.

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Oh, and does this scan mean that sasuke is as fast as V1 Bee? Because base bee was able to keep up with V1 ay after all... That'd mean you, and not me, are saying that sasuke is as fast as V1 ay/Kcm Naruto? Lol.

Notice how, just like ay saying "not since minato has anyone dodged my full speed", bee's also saying not since Ay has anyone dodged V1.

Checkmate.
 
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