Sasuke's Philosophies - Illogical or Justified?

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Ah, so you believe it's justifiable for you to commit the same acts of murder?
Say I've known 50 newborn children throughout my life. Would you really think it's justifiable to kill them all simply because they know me, and I them?
I'm aware that my actions, having killed everyone you've ever known, are horrendous; but can they justify your actions?
As far as justification no. vengeance or not murder is murder. but as to why he feels that way i believe its understandable. but me personally i would not kill for vengeance. but i feel if sasuke is going to be a villain then he needs to do it right lol i say sasuke is out of control but he needs help. he just has too much pride. i mean honestly they way he is headed is bad but i think its the best for the series
 

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hehe cuddos for u.. u cant compare narutoverse with real life.. and by the way there are 7,4 million jehovas and only 5.6million danes..
But there aren't 7.4 million Jehowa's Witnesses in Denmark.
And yes I can. The people in Naruto are still humans. They have feelings, philosophies, religions, etcetera. Why shouldn't I be able to identify illogical and unjustified actions in a Manga?
 
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yeah but there arent 50000 uchias out in the rest of the narutoverse+ one person on earth can solo a hole country... any ways U as the Elected Leader has an resposinbility for all of ur villages, and if u deciedes that u want too conduct in such a way that u keep the people/army/jounins/chieftains of every clan out of the loop and just kill and entire founding clan, then u are a dictator. and a terrible leader and deserves ur fate, how about make a summit with all clan leaders and come too a an agremment and find out whats up the uchihas butts.. instead of make a genocide
 

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But there aren't 7.4 million Jehowa's Witnesses in Denmark.
And yes I can. The people in Naruto are still humans. They have feelings, philosophies, religions, etcetera. Why shouldn't I be able to identify illogical and unjustified actions in a Manga?
If you're asking for opinions from people here don't try and make them change up their mind with your real life comparisations, it's a fictional story anyone can believe whatever they want without anyone else correcting them all the time, because that's what it seems what you're doing right now.

OT: By the way almost everyone in the leaf knew about it, you think 500 Uchiha's die and nobody knows anything about it? Everyone kept it quiet like when Naruto had the Kyuubi inside and the village was forced to keep their mouths shut, so in my case he can kill anyone who had something to do with it, if he were to go after children though, i would disagree with this.
 

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Hebi Sasuke is the only form of his character I acknowledged, and liked.. That was his "Prime" in my sense of thinking..

Now it's just..

I don't like him anymore.
 

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he's a product of what itachi and tobi made of him. yeah his philosophies are horribly wrong, but like gaara you can't blame a kid for reaching the wrong conclusions time and again. itachi twisted him from a loving kid to someone obsessed with revenge, and once that was done tobi put him back onto revenge and gave him more motivation and help to carry it out. the bit he can be blamed for really was getting jealous at naruto just when he was about to turn a new leaf, but even then orochimaru made the most out of it.

in short, i don't like his character since tobi talked to him, but i don't really blame him either. itachi,orochimaru and tobi are at fault for what sasuke is. compared to madara who was just a royal twat he's a tame character really
 

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Manipulated the entire series?? im sorry but i disagree..
He was gived a path by Itachi(massacre) but he would must likely have walk the path even if itachi hadt said so, plus he didt even follow itachis "plan".
He joined Oro to get power and when he saw he had learned what he wanted he "killed" him.
Even though he joined forces with tob/aka he has clearly stadet that he dosnt care about them and they arent allies, they just have a common goal even just for a while..
My point even if sasuke seems too been manipulated he has always follow his own path, hatred/revenge.
and no he isnt my fav.
if u disagree that ur opinion ....
but these are facts

sasuke walked the path of hatred,wanted to get revenge and kill itachi (initialy in part 1) bcos itachi said stuffs like "u lack hatred" ,"face me when u have the same eyes as me" etc.. etc.. (i'm a bit lazy to post manga pages)

then Oro used this situation to give sasuke the curse mark and lure him with more power .....Oro was sure that sasuke would seak him and come to join with him .... he even told kakashi that "ur curse sealing jutsu wont affect anything .... he'll come to me eventually" or sumthing like that

after killing Itachi ,tobi came into picture .... tobi spoon feed sasuke more hatred and told him hw good itachi was and it was konoho's fault for the uchiha killing etc ....
of-course tobi-sasuke weren't allies tobi just wanted to use sasuke to capture Bee,kill off some kages ....where sasuke wanted to kill konoho elders i.e danzo

sasuke's whole life was orchestrated by other people ... like in a game of chess .... u make the perfect moves so that the opponent is left with only one move and that is also beneficial to u thereby making the opponent do what we want...

only thing sasuke did of his own will is not allowing oro to take over his body :p
 
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Sasuke is supposed to be blinded by hatred - it's not meant to be completely logical. Even Naruto said that his actions were understandable. Naruto! This was only after he was able to experience the pain of Jiraiya's death however.

But if I HAD to write a case for Sasuke.. I guess he could say that many innocent Uchiha died and the coup only happened because a certain fraction of Uchiha were fighting for their rights. His revenge would simply be: the slaughter of the innocent as well, because a certain number of Konoha officials planned the attack.

Sasuke said a quote one time that represents the situation.. not sure if it was anime only or not.
 
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If you're asking for opinions from people here don't try and make them change up their mind with your real life comparisations, it's a fictional story anyone can believe whatever they want without anyone else correcting them all the time, because that's what it seems what you're doing right now.

OT: By the way almost everyone in the leaf knew about it, you think 500 Uchiha's die and nobody knows anything about it? Everyone kept it quiet like when Naruto had the Kyuubi inside and the village was forced to keep their mouths shut, so in my case he can kill anyone who had something to do with it, if he were to go after children though, i would disagree with this.
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Sasuke is supposed to be blinded by hatred - it's not meant to be completely logical. Even Naruto said that his actions were understandable. Naruto! This was only after he was able to experience the pain of Jiraiya's death however.

But if I HAD to write a case for Sasuke.. I guess he could say that many innocent Uchiha died and the coup only happened because a certain fraction of Uchiha were fighting for their rights. His revenge would simply be: the slaughter of the innocent as well, because a certain number of Konoha officials planned the attack.

Sasuke said a quote one time that represents the situation.. not sure if it was anime only or not.
and this
 
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If you're asking for opinions from people here don't try and make them change up their mind with your real life comparisations, it's a fictional story anyone can believe whatever they want without anyone else correcting them all the time, because that's what it seems what you're doing right now.

OT: By the way almost everyone in the leaf knew about it, you think 500 Uchiha's die and nobody knows anything about it? Everyone kept it quiet like when Naruto had the Kyuubi inside and the village was forced to keep their mouths shut, so in my case he can kill anyone who had something to do with it, if he were to go after children though, i would disagree with this.
Of course, you have the right to believe anything you want. I, however, also retain the right to challenge your beliefs. I'm not correcting, I'm challenging and questioning. If you don't 'like' that, then what are you doing in a discussion thread?
And why wouldn't I use examples from real-life? If you believe Sasuke's actions are justified, you must believe so universally, or at least state something like; 'I believe it's morally right for Sasuke to murder hordes of infants because it's a manga/anime'. In this thread, however, we're talking about his philosophies, which means that we have to determine whether we 'judge' his actions to be morally right, justifiable, logical or otherwise. Ethics do change with a society, but we, from an outsiders point of view, can still comment on and judge the character's choices.

OT: Even if the civilians of Konoha did know about the details of the massacre, why would they deserve death? Did the German civilian population in World War 2 derseve to be put to death because they didn't revolt against the jew-killing regime that controlled their lives?
But yes, of course the civilians knew that the massacre happened, but they didn't know their 'government' had authorized it. Even if they did; look at my example above.
Honestly, I also believe you have a very emotional reaction to this 'revenge' thing. The Uchiha Clan, after all, was planning a Coup. I digress; the massacre was unwise, but something had to happen. From my point of view, Sasuke hasn't shown even a tadbit of Logic in regards to that, opting instead to go with his emotions and feelings on the matter.

Justified, any real man should wanna have revenge, for those who cause their family harm.
Real man? Would a real man kill the wives and children of those who were responsible? Where is the line?

Sasuke is supposed to be blinded by hatred - it's not meant to be completely logical. Even Naruto said that his actions were understandable. Naruto! This was only after he was able to experience the pain of Jiraiya's death however.

But if I HAD to write a case for Sasuke.. I guess he could say that many innocent Uchiha died and the coup only happened because a certain fraction of Uchiha were fighting for their rights. His revenge would simply be: the slaughter of the innocent as well, because a certain number of Konoha officials planned the attack.

Sasuke said a quote one time that represents the situation.. not sure if it was anime only or not.
So his hatred is understandable? Alright.
What about his plan to kill thousands of civilians?

Oh really? I had no idea! Could you please show me the Manga-page where the Uchiha Clan attempts to negotiate?
Can you show me the page where it's stated that the Uchihas were fighting for their rights?

Reported this.
 

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Of course, you have the right to believe anything you want. I, however, also retain the right to challenge your beliefs. I'm not correcting, I'm challenging and questioning. If you don't 'like' that, then what are you doing in a discussion thread?
And why wouldn't I use examples from real-life? If you believe Sasuke's actions are justified, you must believe so universally, or at least state something like; 'I believe it's morally right for Sasuke to murder hordes of infants because it's a manga/anime'. In this thread, however, we're talking about his philosophies, which means that we have to determine whether we 'judge' his actions to be morally right, justifiable, logical or otherwise. Ethics do change with a society, but we, from an outsiders point of view, can still comment on and judge the character's choices.

OT: Even if the civilians of Konoha did know about the details of the massacre, why would they deserve death? Did the German civilian population in World War 2 derseve to be put to death because they didn't revolt against the jew-killing regime that controlled their lives?
But yes, of course the civilians knew that the massacre happened, but they didn't know their 'government' had authorized it. Even if they did; look at my example above.
Honestly, I also believe you have a very emotional reaction to this 'revenge' thing. The Uchiha Clan, after all, was planning a Coup. I digress; the massacre was unwise, but something had to happen. From my point of view, Sasuke hasn't shown even a tadbit of Logic in regards to that, opting instead to go with his emotions and feelings on the matter.



Real man? Would a real man kill the wives and children of those who were responsible? Where is the line?



So his hatred is understandable? Alright.
What about his plan to kill thousands of civilians?

Oh really? I had no idea! Could you please show me the Manga-page where the Uchiha Clan attempts to negotiate?
Can you show me the page where it's stated that the Uchihas were fighting for their rights?





Reported this.
Hm? Im confused. Report what?
 

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those who hate his beliefs simply are people who in my opinion are too forgiving naive let others walk over them would be like u guys had

my family killed who i loved very much yet im gonna let it go come back to the village and act like it never happened BS yet now he is pondering on what he should do


+ when he says kill everyone he most likley as he states kill all the ninja who would stop him from killing the elders+ the only civs i would miss would be ramen guy and ayame the rest were naruot/kyuubi haters who should have died
 
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