Sasuke's Philosophies - Illogical or Justified?

[ZK]

Alright, this is my first thread in this section, and I, quite honestly, don't expect a whole lot.
However; there's been a somewhat unnerving influx of 'Sasuke-fans' recently, and it bothers me. Before you 'bash' me though, please read, consider and answer the following:

-Why do you 'like'/'dislike' Uchiha Sasuke?

-Do you consider Sasuke's 'hatred' and 'sorrow' to be justified, considering his circumstances? If so; has it always been justified? If not; has it always been unjustified?

-Do you believe that Sasuke's philosophies are justified? (Same as before)
1. As a sub-question; do you agree with Sasuke's philosophies? Do you think they're durable and/or logical?

-Disregarding Sasuke's physical prowess, do you think his actions up until this point can be justified? Why? Why not?
1. Same question, but with Itachi's actions up until this point.

Personally, I regard Sasuke's philosophies as illogical, immature and fragile. The young man is obviously traumatized and needs medical care, but that does not justify threatening thousands of innocent lives, especially not civilian lives. Sasuke's views of the world are horribly disfigured and it's obvious that he's unable to emotionally bond with people outside his family. This, I believe, is a product of the Uchiha Clan's voluntary isolation and subsequent destruction.
Share your thoughs, but share them carefully and well.

 

[Negative Knight]

Up to the point where he defeated Deidara, he was a respectable character and i could see why his fans were so crazy about him. Ever since he got the EMS and found out the truth about Itachi he just deteriorated as a character. Itachi was the only one who could pull off being evil for the sake of it U_U.

 

[-Punk-]

i understand what he went through , it was hard on him , he was a kid & he didnt know why those things happen in the first place ..... but after killing itachi he should've return to konoha ... he went down hill from there , immature & foolish , for f*cks sakes hi's 17 & he was manipulated like a stupid kid . pathetic .. that's why i dislike his character ...

 

[Noobastank]

I like sasuke for his ambition. dude has a set agenda and he gets it done. i dislike him because he allows himself to be used by other villains. though he does gain from his experiences, i dislike how they use him and how he lets it happen.

His hatred and sorrow...JUSTIFIED!. in his position anyone would feel the same way. his hatred is fueled by his sorrow so its understandable. His actions are not justifiable in my opinion. though his emotions are understandable his actions are not. but honestly be them just or not i would do the same thing. i think he should be satisfied with danzos death though. i think he should have stopped there instead of wanting to destroy konoha because the generation that did that is pretty much in the past. his ideologies are something i dont agree with either. he is rather emotionally unstable aswell. he is smart but in battle he makes dumb choice due to pride. but all in all he is a good character. i just hopes he stops getting used and become his own villain if thats what he wants to do

 

[rollin]

konoha made his brother suffer
and if anybody made any of my brothers suffer i would want revenge too

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i like that he wants to find out about the truth before he comes up with a plan.
i think he's going to talk to the people and read the uchiha tablet with his ems
and come up with his own plan for peace through power(finally representing the elder son)
instead of just wanting revenge

 

[inFAM0US]

I agree with what has been said so far. Although I have always disliked Sasuke due to his personality he just became worse as the series went on. I know he went through a lot but like others have said after Itachi had died he just became horrible. I mean before that I could see how people could like him although I still disliked him but now he has just turned into a horrible character that is only kept on due to plot. I definitely do not agree with his actions.

 

[ZK]

I like sasuke for his ambition. dude has a set agenda and he gets it done. i dislike him because he allows himself to be used by other villains. though he does gain from his experiences, i dislike how they use him and how he lets it happen.

His hatred and sorrow...JUSTIFIED!. in his position anyone would feel the same way. his hatred is fueled by his sorrow so its understandable. His actions are not justifiable in my opinion. though his emotions are understandable his actions are not. but honestly be them just or not i would do the same thing. i think he should be satisfied with danzos death though. i think he should have stopped there instead of wanting to destroy konoha because the generation that did that is pretty much in the past. his ideologies are something i dont agree with either. he is rather emotionally unstable aswell. he is smart but in battle he makes dumb choice due to pride. but all in all he is a good character. i just hopes he stops getting used and become his own villain if thats what he wants to do

So if I kill everyone you've ever known, you'd feel that it's okay for you to kill everyone I've ever known?
But Sasuke doesn't even want to stop at 'an eye for an eye', he wants to kill everyone in Konohagakure no Sato, including newborn babies and children whose families have had nothing to do with the incident.
I agree with your assessment of Sasuke's ambitions, however. I also agree that Sauske should've stopped after Danzo.

konoha made his brother suffer
and if anybody made any of my brothers suffer i would want revenge too

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So you agree that if I kill your brother, it would be morally justifiable for you to bomb my hometown? You would be killing people whom have nothing to do with the incident; people I've never met.
Following that logic; you believe that most acts of terrorism aimed at civilian targets are justifiable, since they kill people whom share nationality with an 'evil' upper-class, or a bad government.

i like that he wants to find out about the truth before he comes up with a plan.
i think he's going to talk to the people and read the uchiha tablet with his ems
and come up with his own plan for peace through power(finally representing the elder son)
instead of just wanting revenge

So you believe that totalitarian regimes are justifiable? You support dictatorships if they bring peace to a nation, even with despicable means?
Following that logic; you would've supported Saddam Hossein, as he brough peace to Iraq through extreme means. It's okay to opress a nation if you bring 'peace'?

 

[Anakin Skywalker]

1.) sasuke's sorrow and hatred is truly justified ...his parents, clan and everyone he knew were killed by a person who he trusted most ....(whatever be the true intention and reason... its a sad thing)

2.) Sasuke's philosopy ??? i didn't know he had one .... didn't he just wanted revenge,destroy the leaf sh*t .... i dont agree with it

3.) No his actions cannot be justified up until this point ...... he was like "my life was made miserable by leaf village so i'll make everyone's life in leaf miserable" :sy:

just an eg .. vegeta's entire planet was blown up but he acted like a f**king prince (which he was) always bada$$ and proud
but we have sasuke just manipulated the entire series by someone else ...he never did sumthing on his own free will ...until now
only now he has understood this and wants to be in control of his life ... lets hope he does that

 

[rollin]

So if I kill everyone you've ever known, you'd feel that it's okay for you to kill everyone I've ever known?
But Sasuke doesn't even want to stop at 'an eye for an eye', he wants to kill everyone in Konohagakure no Sato, including newborn babies and children whose families have had nothing to do with the incident.
I agree with your assessment of Sasuke's ambitions, however. I also agree that Sauske should've stopped after Danzo.



So you agree that if I kill your brother, it would be morally justifiable for you to bomb my hometown? You would be killing people whom have nothing to do with the incident; people I've never met.
Following that logic; you believe that most acts of terrorism aimed at civilian targets are justifiable, since they kill people whom share nationality with an 'evil' upper-class, or a bad government.

Yeah you're right I guess he shouldn't kill all of konoha because of that
I guess he should at least kill the elders

 

[Gene the Machine]

that means too U its okay if THE HOLE uchia clan gets killed of becaouse some(most) wants a coup but u get upset that sasuke kills every other person in the village who dosnt have any thing too do with it?? he is just doing the same to them.. (not that i personaly agree with him, i do understand him)

 

[Kirikoe]

he was a respectable character.. i have to admit the only reason y i didnt really like him much was only because of the fans but i have nothing against the actually character himself.. personally i think his actions are irrational and naive.. in fact if u think about it.. its not surprising considering he left konoha to spend 3 years training just so he could defeat his 'evil' brother who has betrayed the clan when in actuall fact it turned out itachi was the good guy and that it was the uchiha clan that was gonna betray konoha.. if u think about it sasuke spent alot of his life chasing after his brother just to kill him who turned out to be the gd guy and was just helping him.. its not surprising sasuke turned out to need medical care.. sasuke after finding out itachi's wish just wanted to take his anger out on someone.. tbh i just think he needs some anger managment and a psycologist :|

but original i found his ideals to be somewhat reasonable since he was doing it for the honor of his clan and in japan honor is a major thing

 

[Noobastank]

So if I kill everyone you've ever known, you'd feel that it's okay for you to kill everyone I've ever known?
But Sasuke doesn't even want to stop at 'an eye for an eye', he wants to kill everyone in Konohagakure no Sato, including newborn babies and children whose families have had nothing to do with the incident.
I agree with your assessment of Sasuke's ambitions, however. I also agree that Sauske should've stopped after Danzo.

Im saying if Im sasuke and i want revenge yes i would kill eveyone you know intern for killing everyone i know[An eye for an eye as you said. sasuke wanting to kill everyone is something i dont fully understand]. not saying its something id do personally but if i were sasuke, having the mentality of a vengeful person thats what i would do. i think he should have just gone back to konoha. thats what i wanted. but if he is going to be a villain i want a real villain out of him. now hes not getting it done though

 

[rollin]

So if I kill everyone you've ever known, you'd feel that it's okay for you to kill everyone I've ever known?
But Sasuke doesn't even want to stop at 'an eye for an eye', he wants to kill everyone in Konohagakure no Sato, including newborn babies and children whose families have had nothing to do with the incident.
I agree with your assessment of Sasuke's ambitions, however. I also agree that Sauske should've stopped after Danzo.



So you agree that if I kill your brother, it would be morally justifiable for you to bomb my hometown? You would be killing people whom have nothing to do with the incident; people I've never met.
Following that logic; you believe that most acts of terrorism aimed at civilian targets are justifiable, since they kill people whom share nationality with an 'evil' upper-class, or a bad government.



So you believe that totalitarian regimes are justifiable? You support dictatorships if they bring peace to a nation, even with despicable means?
Following that logic; you would've supported Saddam Hossein, as he brough peace to Iraq through extreme means. It's okay to opress a nation if you bring 'peace'?

Calm down its just a manga
It doesn't mean I support sad dam Hussein or anything
I'm just saying that obito and naruto represent the older and younger son
Instead of naruto and sasuke
obito wants peace through power and naruto wants to find peace through everybody understanding each other
I want sasuke to finally represent the older son instead of just wanting revenge

 

[soyeongun]

Why do you 'like'/'dislike' Uchiha Sasuke?
I dislike more than I like
Disregarding Sasuke's physical prowess, do you think his actions up until this point?
Yes. Except that he tried to kill Karin.

 

[ZK]

that means too U its okay if THE HOLE uchia clan gets killed of becaouse some(most) wants a coup but u get upset that sasuke kills every other person in the village who dosnt have any thing too do with it?? he is just doing the same to them.. (not that i personaly agree with him, i do understand him)

Hm?
Let's say the Uchiha Clan consisted of 500 members.
We know that a majority of those supported a Coup d Etat. Let's say 300.
I, as an elected government, decide to kill 500 people to prevent a Coup d Etat that would've affected every citizen in Konohagakure, which counts about 25000-50000 people.
My army has nothing to do with the massacre, nor does my civilian population. All in all; maybe 5-10 people have anything to do with the massacre.
Following this logic; if Jehovas Witnesses attempted to conquer Denmark (the ratio rougly matches) and are all killed, it would be morally justifiable for a surviving Jehova's Witness to slay the entire nation of Denmark.

 

[Paintry4]

Sasuke's is stoppin at nothin,he sud have stopped after danzou but the elders who approved it n 3rd also dint even try to know whats goin on danzou and elders mind.jst he kept silent at this.if it was 4th hokage.those rumors wud have been only rumors.....

 

[Gene the Machine]

1.)
just an eg .. vegeta's entire planet was blown up but he acted like a f**king prince (which he was) always bada$$ and proud
but we have sasuke just manipulated the entire series by someone else ...he never did sumthing on his own free will ...until now
only now he has understood this and wants to be in control of his life ... lets hope he does that

Manipulated the entire series?? im sorry but i disagree..
He was gived a path by Itachi(massacre) but he would must likely have walk the path even if itachi hadt said so, plus he didt even follow itachis "plan".
He joined Oro to get power and when he saw he had learned what he wanted he "killed" him.
Even though he joined forces with tob/aka he has clearly stadet that he dosnt care about them and they arent allies, they just have a common goal even just for a while..
My point even if sasuke seems too been manipulated he has always follow his own path, hatred/revenge.
and no he isnt my fav.

 

[ZK]

Im saying if Im sasuke and i want revenge yes i would kill eveyone you know intern for killing everyone i know[An eye for an eye as you said. sasuke wanting to kill everyone is something i dont fully understand]. not saying its something id do personally but if i were sasuke, having the mentality of a vengeful person thats what i would do. i think he should have just gone back to konoha. thats what i wanted. but if he is going to be a villain i want a real villain out of him. now hes not getting it done though

Ah, so you believe it's justifiable for you to commit the same acts of murder?
Say I've known 50 newborn children throughout my life. Would you really think it's justifiable to kill them all simply because they know me, and I them?
I'm aware that my actions, having killed everyone you've ever known, are horrendous; but can they justify your actions?

 

[Gene the Machine]

Hm?
Let's say the Uchiha Clan consisted of 500 members.
We know that a majority of those supported a Coup d Etat. Let's say 300.
I, as an elected government, decide to kill 500 people to prevent a Coup d Etat that would've affected every citizen in Konohagakure, which counts about 25000-50000 people.
My army has nothing to do with the massacre, nor does my civilian population. All in all; maybe 5-10 people have anything to do with the massacre.
Following this logic; if Jehovas Witnesses attempted to conquer Denmark (the ratio rougly matches) and are all killed, it would be morally justifiable for a surviving Jehova's Witness to slay the entire nation of Denmark.

hehe cuddos for u.. u cant compare narutoverse with real life.. and by the way there are 7,4 million jehovas and only 5.6million danes..

 

[Paintry4]

Hm?
Let's say the Uchiha Clan consisted of 500 members.
We know that a majority of those supported a Coup d Etat. Let's say 300.
I, as an elected government, decide to kill 500 people to prevent a Coup d Etat that would've affected every citizen in Konohagakure, which counts about 25000-50000 people.
My army has nothing to do with the massacre, nor does my civilian population. All in all; maybe 5-10 people have anything to do with the massacre.
Following this logic; if Jehovas Witnesses attempted to conquer Denmark (the ratio rougly matches) and are all killed, it would be morally justifiable for a surviving Jehova's Witness to slay the entire nation of Denmark.

u're leaving something.to be a leader one sud take harsh decision but to be a grt leader one sud take the decision which will favour all.what wud happen if uchiha were treated as senju?what if uchiha were given equal rights as senju and given them the rights to be hokage and all knows what it needs to be hokage a fair mind that can think for developement.