Sasuke's logic ( Is everyone in naruto a b****)
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countryboy92
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So I've seen a few posts relating Sasuke's situation to the military, and I just thought I'd throw out a few points.
- The military wouldn't tell you to kill you're entire family.
- Sasuke is a deserter.
- Naruto has been charged with the capture with Sasuke.
- If any one the military were to act like Sasuke they would be court-martialed and detained permanently, or at least until mentally sane.
- I've never heard of anyone acting like Naruto in the military, so not sure about that one, but I assume he would not be in the same boat as the Sasuke counter-part.
- This is all fictional, but some situations could seem similar at which point, if you're involved, you must ask are you mentally capable of dealing with it properly (obviously Sasuke ain't).
Think that last one over a little bit, cause I'm curious as to who thinks they can either kill their entire family or kill the guy who did it and then everyone close to him for no reason.
- The military wouldn't tell you to kill you're entire family.
- Sasuke is a deserter.
- Naruto has been charged with the capture with Sasuke.
- If any one the military were to act like Sasuke they would be court-martialed and detained permanently, or at least until mentally sane.
- I've never heard of anyone acting like Naruto in the military, so not sure about that one, but I assume he would not be in the same boat as the Sasuke counter-part.
- This is all fictional, but some situations could seem similar at which point, if you're involved, you must ask are you mentally capable of dealing with it properly (obviously Sasuke ain't).
Think that last one over a little bit, cause I'm curious as to who thinks they can either kill their entire family or kill the guy who did it and then everyone close to him for no reason.
Good points. Ur right Naruto cant be considered proper soldier too (All tough he is the reason of the alliance with Sunakagure), but he is the village's not-so-secret weapon and needs to be 'handled with care' (Extremely dangerous when exited) and so i guess they allow him special treatment (Naruto also have his way to influence people). Also ur right millitary wont ask u to kill ur own family as u may desert or disobey due to ur emotional bonds and the higherups wont risk that (Itachi DID make that mistake by falling for his love for sasuke).
The problem is that sasuke, indeed, objected to entire shinobi ideology. He is opposed to such a system that may require every sacrifice directed by some powerful men, they may peaceful persons such as the third, or they may threatful persons such as danzo or they may entirely weird such as advisors. he is upset not just because his clan is killed by his brother,but because of the system he cannot ideologically accept. In other words, sasuke is not willing to be a shinobi after hearing the truth,maybe he never wanted to be, and he is upset because there are many who accept shinobi life (at first his brother). However, hate and anarchy are worse than shinobi ideology, which is sasuke could not figure out.
SasukeTheBijuu
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He was a kid give him a break. He lost everyone in one night. He was attached to them all. You try going through that and not get mad.
countryboy92
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Exactly. You're right Naruto does get "special treatment" mostly cause he's hard headed and goes off on his own but due to his motives they let him off with a lot.
Also (just throwing this bit out there) to put a real world spin on it, if you were a kid and went through what Sasuke went through you would become mentally unstable and more than likely institutionalized.
See, I was cool with sasuke, and I understood that he was a little disturbed, but honestly this is ridiculous. Itachi came back from the.dead and told him not to do it and said it wasn't the leafs fault, and that makes sasuke want to destroy it more. IMO kishi was gonna let sasuke forgive the leaf but he.couldn't find a way for him to still fight sasuke.
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Sasuke does not have ability like Naruto to overcome his pain and dumbness SO Sasuke is a waste/dumb ninja. That's it. 
SasukeSacrifice
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Your logic is still good, but itachi choose this life, and know that somthing like that can happen, but sasuke was a child at this time and never think about such missions and decisions.
he learns on a hard way, how "the real life" of a shinobi works.
As child he cant handle such a decision his brother made, and this drauma makes him to the psycho he is now.
And yet, his hate and his psychological thinking, drives him to revenge.
He dont choose it at this moment, when his clan was murderd, bit yet he wont go back on his way of darkness, and he will kill everyone, that lifes in this "peace" itachi created with his sacrifice.
I kinda understand him but that way he choose is definitly the false one.
he learns on a hard way, how "the real life" of a shinobi works.
As child he cant handle such a decision his brother made, and this drauma makes him to the psycho he is now.
And yet, his hate and his psychological thinking, drives him to revenge.
He dont choose it at this moment, when his clan was murderd, bit yet he wont go back on his way of darkness, and he will kill everyone, that lifes in this "peace" itachi created with his sacrifice.
I kinda understand him but that way he choose is definitly the false one.
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Sasuke is acting foolish, the mere thought of destroying konoha is inconcievable. Tobi used the kyuubi and still didnt succeed, Nagato almost succeeded but am pretty sure dat sasuke cant break down the gates of konoha.
But did the ramen guy, konohamaru, Asuma's child etc people kill the Uchiha? Sasuke has a right to kill the elders, Danzo and the ROOT but to the innocents of Konoha he has no right to touch. Those common people were the ones who offered him food, shelter and friendship when he lost his family and being murdered is the return they deserve? the elders deserve a very painful death but what did the others do?
Where did u read Itachi was turned to a slave? He chose his own path remember? He still supports and wants to protect konoha, see this page:
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for just a minor example. Really Sasuke Fanboyism causes memory loss and blindness. But i think most people dont know what the effects of the uchiha coup wld have been:
1. Uchiha were a lot in number,(they had a whole district to themselves) and their fighting talents were unparalleled.
2. Uchiha wld need to kill many of the shinobi forces of konoha to make the coup a sucess. And itachi alone can take on opponents equaling his total clan members. So imagine the body count .....
3. Many innocent civilian might have died due to cross fire or their livelihood destroyed.
4. To stop other clans from rising against them, uchiha wld have to take the clan leaders or their children hostage or kill them.
5. After the coup there wld be ppl who disagrees, who wld be need to be killed or imprisoned.
6. Hizune wld have to be killed.
7. THIS IS MOST DEADLY: Due to civil unrest and the weakened millitary forces, konoha wld be open for attack by other countries, who are always just waiting for a chance for a attack. This would mean destruction of konoha and annexation of land of fire. Imagine how many people wld be killed.
U r not thinking properly:
1. One sasuke can do this, imagine what other 45 sasukes wld do for revenge.
2. How is one going to tell apart who is guilty and who is not? Each uchiha has to be captured b4 they can be made to talk and all of them knows great genjutsu, so mind reading wld be not that effective.
3. Itachi at least knew who all were responsible and he specifically stated 'this clan has no future'; u know why? Cos i think the entire clan was into the plan.
4. Wont the remaining members plot revenge? or even run away to other countries and sell them the konoha secrets?
5. Also they hizune tried to take a bloodless path but it didnt work. (See:
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read background)6. Only the council (elders and danzo) suspected the Uchiha as Madara Uchiha the LEADER of the Uchiha clan attacked Hashirama, the first Hokage and its not a very light crime that can be easily forgotten. So the uchiha wre merginalised and secretly monitored (Its not spyng if everyone knows it). But good hearted Hizune made up for that by forming the Uchiha Police Force (No other clan had such power) and giving them full control over konoha law and order and still offered more (See:
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and read background). But they refused the peace offers as they were after power and wld not stop before thay controlled the whole village.The council made a inhuman choice but Itachi freely chose to take the path that wld save more lives and willingly made the sacrefice as no one forced him to; and wants Sasuke leave the path of vengence. Dont u think if sasuke really loved his brother he wld listen to and respect his bothers wishes? but no he is more in love with vengence itself. His goals may be understandable but not at all valid beyond the killing of elders and the ROOT.
Also Sasuke wasnt only one to suffer u know?
Gaara was hated and mistreated in the village, the only person who seemed to care for him tried to kill him and told him that even his mother hated him for no fault of his. Not to mention his father too tried to kill Gaara many times. But still u think Gaara suffered less? Sasuke at least knew love and family, but Gaara had nothing but hate directed at him. Sasuke was admired and praised by fellow villagers but still knows nothing but to hate. But Gaara knew nothing but hate from others but still changed and learned to love. Agreed Gaara was mad at first but he was a 'dont even think of messing with me or i kill u and have fun while i do it' type of person and yet still usually never attacked unless he himself was attacked. And yet later on learned to love the very village that nothing but hated him and was willing to protect it with his life.
Yes but u will have to agree Naruto had to EARN the trust and love. Everyone in the Village treated Naruto like Scum, out of no reason. Can u imagine a child growing with only receiving hate from everyone he happens to meet, (even though he cant understand why)? Isnt He is expected to hate back in revenge too?
Good way of thinking, rep+
Try to note that Itachi experienced a shinobi war when he was only 4 . . . . Can u imagine the effect of it on so small a child? Itachi too was also traumatised and at much more young a age.
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naruttebayo
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come on people , this is all plot
sasuke is going to be main villain , so whatever the logic , he is destined to be bad .
accept it ^ and hate sasuke . lol
sasuke is going to be main villain , so whatever the logic , he is destined to be bad .
accept it ^ and hate sasuke . lol
AnimeIsPerfection
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a lot of people say things like 'Sasuke is useless' or 'Sasuke should just die' but common guys, Naruto even said once that without Sasuke, he wouldn't be as strong as he is now. Without Sasuke the plot line goes down hill and Naruto would lose one of his most inmportant goals.
i just wanted to point that out. my opinions on the actual topic on this thread are a few pages back.
i just wanted to point that out. my opinions on the actual topic on this thread are a few pages back.