Sasuke's Curse of Hatred.

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most kids are like that, we've all been jealous of someone as kids. Kids get angry easily especially if you feel like you're in someone else's shadow, I don't think it's a Sasuke thing, it's just a natural thing with kids.
I never felt that way as a child and I knew maybe 1 kid who did. She grew up to be a totally spiteful b****
No other children felt it as strongly as Sasuke. Even Neji didn't have angst towards the main family until his father died. In their world, Susuke's behavior wasn't the norm (from what we've seen).
 

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most kids are like that, we've all been jealous of someone as kids. Kids get angry easily especially if you feel like you're in someone else's shadow, I don't think it's a Sasuke thing, it's just a natural thing with kids.

I agree- especially when it comes to siblings.

I never felt that way as a child and I knew maybe 1 kid who did. She grew up to be a totally spiteful b****
No other children felt it as strongly as Sasuke. Even Neji didn't have angst towards the main family until his father died. In their world, Susuke's behavior wasn't the norm (from what we've seen).

maybe in there world- but in our world I know tons of kids that behave that way. it doesn't mean they don't care about that individual or that there evil.. just means they want to be seen as equals/ better then that individual. It's a human norm to behave that way... Naruto was that way when it came to Sasuke if you think about it.
 

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I agree- especially when it comes to siblings.



maybe in there world- but in our world I know tons of kids that behave that way. it doesn't mean they don't care about that individual or that there evil.. just means they want to be seen as equals/ better then that individual. It's a human norm to behave that way... Naruto was that way when it came to Sasuke if you think about it.

I didn't say he was evil or didn't love his family, I'm just saying he's always been full of resentment. And yes Naruto was that way with it, but it wasn't unprovoked. Naruto was looked down on and called a monster since he was a baby and he start with Sasuke and had attitude and rivalry but it's not like Sauske was a nice kid either, and the only reason they became besties was because Naruto wanted to be and told him his feelings. It was a great bromance but Sasuke just doesn't want to connect, it's not that he can't.
 

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Everyone's personality is gradual. and btw Sasuke was an angry child and hater before the Uchiha's were slaughtered.
In terms of this series, you're correct, every character's personality has been a gradual process, depending on the events that have transpired from their introduction in Part I to Part II. However, Sasuke didn't possess an angry, resentful disposition prior to the Uchiha Clan Massacre. That isn't to say that he wasn't jealous of Itachi; he most certainly was, as most young siblings are of their older siblings, especially when there doesn't seem to be anything they can do to outshine them - for example, Sasuke tried his best to receive the same level of recognition from his father (i.e. consistently scoring at the top of his academy class), but his father always defined his success in terms of Itachi (i.e. 'Good, continue to do well like your brother'), instead of the "As expected of my son" that he'd always desired to hear his father say to him. Despite being jealous of Itachi's talents and recognition, Sasuke genuinely loved his brother, and had always aimed to be like him, prior to the Annihilation of his clan.

"He had angst because he was jealous, felt pressured to surpass Itachi, wanted to feel more noticed by his dad. Those are feelings of resentment. He was angry even then. I honestly think Sasuke will only ever be happy if he wants himself to be. He was getting there in team 7 he even said so, but he decided to go back down the path of anger because that's always been what's comfortable to him".

While Sasuke was jealous of Itachi and did long to surpass him (or at least gain his father's attention), he didn't resent his brother at that point in time [Prior to the Uchiha Massacre]. To resent is tantamount to hatred, and it's quite clear that if Sasuke had hated Itachi, he wouldn't have spent soo much time trying to get Itachi to pay attention to his skills and growth (i.e. Asking Itachi continuously to help him with his shuriken technique); rather, he would've worked towards surpassing his brother on his own, and he most likely would've spent more time asking his Father to help him train, instead of Itachi. And it's true, he did tell Sakura that he thought he could be like her and Naruto, and forget about revenge, but in the end, his circumstances were different from theirs. Revenge wasn't just an option - it was the only path that would've led to him accomplishing his goal (at that point, gaining enough power to kill his brother) - It wasn't about what was 'comfortable' for him, although, you would be right to make this argument after his decision to wipe out Konoha even knowing Itachi's wishes and sacrifice, since vengeance and hatred have been all he's known for most of his life. Sadly, Sasuke's current character will only be truly happy after wreaking chaos and turmoil on the Leaf Village, which in doing so would 'Purify the clan's name.'

Originally Posted by shyarkugan:
most kids are like that, we've all been jealous of someone as kids. Kids get angry easily especially if you feel like you're in someone else's shadow, I don't think it's a Sasuke thing, it's just a natural thing with kids.

"I never felt that way as a child and I knew maybe 1 kid who did. She grew up to be a totally spiteful b****. No other children felt it as strongly as Sasuke. Even Neji didn't have angst towards the main family until his father died. In their world, Susuke's behavior wasn't the norm (from what we've seen)."

Shyarkugan brings up a valid point. You personally may not have had that experience as a child, but everyone has a different story to tell, and I've got tons of friends with siblings that they've been jealous of at one point or another - it happens, and it's normal, nobody likes to feel inferior. Sasuke's jealousy of his brother's skills was no different from my jealousy over my older brother's graduation from university at 20, or my little brother's jealousy of the fact that I can draw better than he can - he still loves me, and is always asking me to teach him how to draw as I do; I still love my older brother, and look to him for help with my studying - Resentment and Hatred don't lead to positive outcomes like that.

"I didn't say he was evil or didn't love his family, I'm just saying he's always been full of resentment. And yes Naruto was that way with it, but it wasn't unprovoked. Naruto was looked down on and called a monster since he was a baby and he start with Sasuke and had attitude and rivalry but it's not like Sauske was a nice kid either, and the only reason they became besties was because Naruto wanted to be and told him his feelings. It was a great bromance but Sasuke just doesn't want to connect, it's not that he can't."

Sasuke hasn't always been filled with resentment. As you pointed out before, it's been a gradual process - it was Itachi's annihilation of the Uchiha clan that ignited Sasuke's spark of resentment, which later turned to pure hatred; not the time prior to that event. If that were the case - If Sasuke had truly resented his brother from the start, he wouldn't have been so deeply heart-broken and saddened once he learned of the sacrifice Itachi had put himself through; he probably could've cared less. But instead he was visibly shaken by his brother's death, and has taken it upon himself to destroy the Leaf Village for sacrificing Itachi in order to maintain their own peace and stability; again, if he had truly resented his brother as you suggest, the odds of him making such an extreme decision would have heightened immensely. You are correct in the latter part though, Sasuke isn't interested in maintaining his bond with Naruto, because he believes there is nothing about such a bond that would make him stronger (although at this point, he's pretty much one of the strongest teenage characters in the series).
 
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+ rep mate hope u dont turn in to a fanboy but it is imposible for me to like sasuke no matter wat u say he is arrogant and selfish especially if he realised his brother died for him and his village Also u do realise itachi wanted sasuke to be a hero by killing itachi and avenging the clan appreciate the effort but i cant like him but i would like to point out that as a child i really liked him in the flashbacks i guess i would like to see him like that again
Thanks For The +Rep. And That's Fine, I'm Not Attempting To 'Win Over' People To Like Sasuke's Character; Your Opinion Is Your Own, As Is Mine, And I Respect That. This Post Is Specifically Targeted At Those Who Seem To Hate His Character With No Particular Reason, Or A Very Weak One - If You're Already Aware Of Everything He's Gone Through, But Still Don't Like His Character, That's Just Fine. As Long As You Know His Story And Can Understand The Reasons Behind His Actions, It's Fine. Aha, Sasuke May Be My Favorite Character, But I'm Not One To Exaggerate His Abilities, So I Doubt I'll End Up As A 'Fanboy'.
 

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With Sasuke, it is a weird one tho...
I've got nothing against Sasuke, I find him interesting, but with some of the descisions he makes, its like he actually enjoys been a prick...
He learns loads of new amazing skills, then finds out that his brother has spent his life trying to protect the Village...

Clearly the only logical option, is to use these powers to destroy the leaf...?
Top Quality prick material right there...

Must you resort with insolent remarks to make your point? It is very possible to accomplish this in a civilized manner.

This post is mine taken from another thread:

When someone has a dramatic occurrence in their life many things can form because of it. Insanity, etc. its not only the influence but darkness, corruption, manipulation, unstable mentality. Sasuke stated that his most recent goal was for him and his brother and after his mentality fractured the masked man took advantage of this giving him orders to which Sasuke finally began to except; beginning with the attempted ridding of Karin. His broken mind feels that his brother did not receive proper recognition for his sacrifices which is the truth. As Kakashi knows this and has yet to confess to Tsunade and have his name be cleared. This is all for his brother only now the masked man is taking advantage of someone insane and within the darkness.
 

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Agree with everything, I'm no Sasuke fanboy nor do I like him all that much but it is definitely understandable as to why he is the way he is, it's what makes Naruto so great, all the characters have reasons as to why they are the way they are.
 

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Agree with everything, I'm no Sasuke fanboy nor do I like him all that much but it is definitely understandable as to why he is the way he is, it's what makes Naruto so great, all the characters have reasons as to why they are the way they are.
Thanks for the support, and I definitely agree with your statement; the character development throughout the series is hands down one of the greatest aspects of the anime/manga, aside from the battles - and in terms of Sasuke's character, I think Kishimoto has done a magnificent job in terms of his development from Part I to Part II.
 

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We cannot deny the power that Sasuke has which is most definitely feuled by hatred. Good thread
 

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Quote:While Sasuke was jealous of Itachi and did long to surpass him (or at least gain his father's attention), he didn't resent his brother at that point in time [Prior to the Uchiha Massacre]. To resent is tantamount to hatred, and it's quite clear that if Sasuke had hated Itachi, he wouldn't have spent soo much time trying to get Itachi to pay attention to his skills and growth (i.e. Asking Itachi continuously to help him with his shuriken technique); rather, he would've worked towards surpassing his brother on his own, and he most likely would've spent more time asking his Father to help him train, instead of Itachi. And it's true, he did tell Sakura that he thought he could be like her and Naruto, and forget about revenge, but in the end, his circumstances were different from theirs. Revenge wasn't just an option - it was the only path that would've led to him accomplishing his goal (at that point, gaining enough power to kill his brother) - It wasn't about what was 'comfortable' for him, although, you would be right to make this argument after his decision to wipe out Konoha even knowing Itachi's wishes and sacrifice, since vengeance and hatred have been all he's known for most of his life. Sadly, Sasuke's current character will only be truly happy after wreaking chaos and turmoil on the Leaf Village, which in doing so would 'Purify the clan's name.'

He did resent Itachi before the massacre. Itachi asked Sasuke if he hated him and Sasuke said nothing, just looked at the ground. It was then that Itachi was talking about how big brothers are there to be obstacles even if you hate them.
 

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Quote:While Sasuke was jealous of Itachi and did long to surpass him (or at least gain his father's attention), he didn't resent his brother at that point in time [Prior to the Uchiha Massacre]. To resent is tantamount to hatred, and it's quite clear that if Sasuke had hated Itachi, he wouldn't have spent soo much time trying to get Itachi to pay attention to his skills and growth (i.e. Asking Itachi continuously to help him with his shuriken technique); rather, he would've worked towards surpassing his brother on his own, and he most likely would've spent more time asking his Father to help him train, instead of Itachi. And it's true, he did tell Sakura that he thought he could be like her and Naruto, and forget about revenge, but in the end, his circumstances were different from theirs. Revenge wasn't just an option - it was the only path that would've led to him accomplishing his goal (at that point, gaining enough power to kill his brother) - It wasn't about what was 'comfortable' for him, although, you would be right to make this argument after his decision to wipe out Konoha even knowing Itachi's wishes and sacrifice, since vengeance and hatred have been all he's known for most of his life. Sadly, Sasuke's current character will only be truly happy after wreaking chaos and turmoil on the Leaf Village, which in doing so would 'Purify the clan's name.'

He did resent Itachi before the massacre. Itachi asked Sasuke if he hated him and Sasuke said nothing, just looked at the ground. It was then that Itachi was talking about how big brothers are there to be obstacles even if you hate them.
Sasuke hated the fact that Itachi received the attention and recognition that his father always showered his brother with, that doesn't mean he hated Itachi entirely. In other words, he was jealous of his brother's skill and praise, despite the fact that he still loved him, which is why he couldn't bring himself to say anything when Itachi asked him. Furthermore, I'm sure Itachi didn't mean hatred in loathing, vengeful disposition that Sasuke developed after the Massacre, and being the intelligent ninja he was, there's no doubt that Itachi already knew Sasuke didn't hate him out of spite, but was simply envious/jealous of his talent and approval by their father, something Sasuke struggled to gain.
 

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great thread. that's real.

and I dont think this was mentioned but,
these two points can't be ignored either

-findin out Danzo, (one of the leafs top brass), was walking around a sht load of sharingan the whole time.
- Danzo also had Shisui's sharingan eye ( Sasuke recalls that this was once Itachi's closest friend who committed suicide, only now realizing his true death was a lie and most likely forced too)

it's a pretty clear cut case after all that.
 

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great thread. that's real.

and I dont think this was mentioned but,
these two points can't be ignored either

-findin out Danzo, (one of the leafs top brass), was walking around a sht load of sharingan the whole time.
- Danzo also had Shisui's sharingan eye ( Sasuke recalls that this was once Itachi's closest friend who committed suicide, only now realizing his true death was a lie and most likely forced too)

it's a pretty clear cut case after all that.
Thanks for the support, as well as two other points that can be added unto the others I've stated in this thread.
 

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Must you resort with insolent remarks to make your point? It is very possible to accomplish this in a civilized manner.

This post is mine taken from another thread:

When someone has a dramatic occurrence in their life many things can form because of it. Insanity, etc. its not only the influence but darkness, corruption, manipulation, unstable mentality. Sasuke stated that his most recent goal was for him and his brother and after his mentality fractured the masked man took advantage of this giving him orders to which Sasuke finally began to except; beginning with the attempted ridding of Karin. His broken mind feels that his brother did not receive proper recognition for his sacrifices which is the truth. As Kakashi knows this and has yet to confess to Tsunade and have his name be cleared. This is all for his brother only now the masked man is taking advantage of someone insane and within the darkness.
Didn't quite understand the latter part of your argument referring to Kakashi and Tsunade, but I agree with your overall opinion, thanks for sharing.
 

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Didn't quite understand the latter part of your argument referring to Kakashi and Tsunade, but I agree with your overall opinion, thanks for sharing.

I'll elaborate as I think this is another significant piece to the puzzle. Remember when the masked man confessed about the Uchiha clan and the truth about Itachi to which Kakashi in elapsed time asked of Naruto that it be kept between themselves as he didn't want to cause an uproar in the village and wasn't sure whether to trust in the masked man's words. However, much time has passed since then and he could have at the very least ran it by Tsunade therefore she could investigate deeper but with the truth remaining dormant; Sasuke continues to deteriorate. Thank you for agreeing with my opinion ;)
 
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Sasuke is a lover with no hateful bone in his body. He is a lovely kindhearted person.
 

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I'll elaborate as I think this is another significant piece to the puzzle. Remember when the masked man confessed about the Uchiha clan and the truth about Itachi to which Kakashi in elapsed time asked of Naruto that it be kept between themselves as he didn't want to cause an uproar in the village and wasn't sure whether to trust in the masked man's words. However, much time has passed since then and he could have at the very least ran it by Tsunade therefore she could investigate deeper but with the truth remaining dormant; Sasuke continues to deteriorate. Thank you for agreeing with my opinion ;)
Ah, Understood, Thanks For Elaborating.
 

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I completely agree with the points you made. I first started watching Naruto after my friends kept bugging me about it, and most of them hated Sasuke.

Once I began watching it, I really couldn't understand why. I completely sympathized with this character.

Whilst I may not agree with killing an entire village (that's his current goal, correct? I'm a bit behind lately), I can understand why he would choose to do this.

In my opinion, Sasuke needs a goal, something to work towards. At first it was killing Itachi and avenging his clan, and then Itachi died and became sort of...lost.

He then found out that everything he knew, everything he understood was a lie and the brother he loved did all of this for the peace of a village that was willing to let him suffer and for him (Sasuke).

I believe that he sort of fell apart then, and I do believe he is mentally unstable, I believe he has been since his clan was murdered. Even though he (Sasuke) hated him, Itachi still held him together in a way, and then Itachi died and he finally surrendered himself to madness (for lack of better word at this moment).
 
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