Sasuke without sharingan( =Minato) >Naruto without kurama

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Pointless thread is pointless.

Seriously, how do you even dare compare Minato to Sasuke, with or without Sharingan? Sasuke wasn't born a genius. Sasuke became a genius because he spent most of his time with Itachi, who by that time was a genius. Training with a genius for enough time and being related to him so strongly will eventually make you a genius as well. It's not something you get with being born. That being said, Minato is even more of a genius than Itachi, and if Naruto hadn't have Kurama sealed witihin him, he would have grown up alongside that Minato and Kushina.

Furthermore, being on a Jiinchuuriki's womb (especially the Kyuubi Jiinchuuriki), will doubtlessly give the baby a share of the Bijuu's chakra. Taking this into account, if Naruto had grown up with his parents and Sasuke hadn't been born with a Sharingan, Naruto would logically be far stronger. And by the time Naruto's 15 or 16, he would already have mastered Hiraishin no Jutsu, Rasengan, Fuuton: Rasen Shuriken, Sage Mode and Sealing Techniques from both his mother, and his mother's mother. That being said, I can't possibly comprehend what would make Sasuke with or without Sharingan stronger than a Naruto with no Kurama.

Of course, Sasuke fanboys oftenly try to take Kurama out from Naruto without realizing the circumstances in which that would be even possible. They don't realize that Naruto without Kurama means no Kurama attack, no Obito going to Konoha, and no parents dying. And if you still want to make Obito attack Konoha, then either Kushina or Minato ALONE would have died. Naruto would still have one of his parents. And something that stays with Naruto regardless of which parent he grows up with is Sage Mode, which by itself is already more powerful than 3 tomoe Sharingan and even Mangekyou Sharingan.

Sasuke with no Sharingan can only happen if Sasuke wasn't born an Uchiha or if he had become blind. If he wasn't born an Uchiha, he would not have grown up alongside Itachi, so being a genius is not even guaranteed. For those who say that Kakashi was a genius by himself... NOPE. He grew up with the White Fang. Duh. If Sasuke wasn't born an Uchiha, I think it's even possible he didn't take any interest in being a Ninja, to begin with. If Sasuke had become blind, however, his only chance of salvation would be transplanting another Uchiha's eyes, which makes him be indebted with Obito.

Sasuke's debt to Obito is not the same relationship as Naruto with his parents. Naruto's parents love their son dearly, and Minato's sealing Kyuubi inside Naruto was not only for saving Konoha but also because he loved his son and he knew Naruto would eventually master the Kyuubi. Obito's case with Sasuke, Obito doesn't give a **** about him. Sasuke's a pawn in Obito's eyes. Stated by Obito himself. Whether Sasuke lives or dies, has a Sharingan or not, is not relevant for Obito's plans. It would help him somehow to have Sasuke's EYES, but not Sasuke. So Sasuke owes Obito more than you fanboys can even realize.

So, if you take Kurama from Naruto, you are also taking out the Kurama attack on Konoha, or one of his parents at best. Growing up alongside Minato would make anyone, even Sakura, a genius. Minato loved his son. Why wouldn't he train his son to be as strong or even stronger than he is? Not to mention that Naruto's chakra by itself is already greater than many, possibly than Minato's, and being born from Kyuubi's Jiinchuriki would give him some part of his chakra... Which would make Naruto as strong as he is now in canon, and several shades cooler than what he is.

Sasuke never had any interest on being a shinobi other than being on pair with Itachi and eventually surpassing him. Taking out his Sharingan priviledge would mean taking out his belonging to the Uchiha family, which means taking out his relationship with Itachi, which also means to take out Sasuke's genius and possibly even his being a shinobi in the first place. And if we're talking about blindness, then he would have had to rely on Obito as much as he had to in canon.

So no, your thread has no sense of logic at all. Whenever you are going to take Kurama from Naruto or the Sharingan from Sasuke, you also need to be aware of the only possible circumstances in which those events could happen. There is no such thing as Sasuke being an Uchiha and not having a Sharingan, and no such thing as Minato doing Shiki Fujin to seal the Kyuubi and not putting it inside his son. The whole purpose behind Minato's Shiki Fujin on that night was to make Naruto a Jiinchuuriki. Sasuke was born in the Uchiha for a reason. Obito made an attack on Konoha with the Kyuubi, giving Minato a reason to do what he did.

And by the way, your grammar is complete S H I T. It hurts my eyes to read what you write. If that can be called writing at all, that is.
 
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HEy dumbass - Sasuke needs Amateratsu to prep Kirin

HOW WILL HE MAKE AMATERATSU IF HE DOES NOT HAVE SHARINGAN ?




- Just tell Naruto to wait untill it rains ?
i believe there is two way kirin could be form.Sasuke was about to use kirin when he meet team 7 in orichimaru base in part 2.It did seem sasuke was about to use his chakra to stimulate the atmosphere for the jutsu
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Orichimaru told him not to use that jutsu,later down the series we found out the jutsu was kirin when he faught itachi
 

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i believe there is two way kirin could be form.Sasuke was about to use kirin when he meet team 7 in orichimaru base in part 2.It did seem sasuke was about to use his chakra to stimulate the atmosphere for the jutsu
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Orichimaru told him not to use that jutsu,later down the series we found out the jutsu was kirin when he faught itachi
Yet Sasuke has never shown us Kirin again, has he? So currently, we have no proof that Sasuke would be able to use Kirin again.
 

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Yet Sasuke has never shown us Kirin again, has he? So currently, we have no proof that Sasuke would be able to use Kirin again.
Because he have other jutsu in his arsenal.When sasuke got MS ,he was force to fight killerbee,5 kages and their body guard,follow by Danzo because Obito/Tobi wanted sasuke to go blind inorder to use Itachi eyes for EMS..He was force to use his MS skill because killerbee and A were lightning release user,the enviroment sasuke faught the kage was inside a building,kirin was not suited in those situation.
 

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Because he have other jutsu in his arsenal.When sasuke got MS ,he was force to fight killerbee,5 kages and their body guard,follow by Danzo because Obito/Tobi wanted sasuke to go blind inorder to use Itachi eyes for EMS..He was force to use his MS skill because killerbee and A were lightning release user,the enviroment sasuke faught the kage was inside a building,kirin was not suited in those situation.
So with Sasuke being able to use kirin at all times regardless of atmospheric turbulence, he must be the most OP character in the manga right?
 

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So with Sasuke being able to use kirin at all times regardless of atmospheric turbulence, he must be the most OP character in the manga right?
Even if he was able to use Kirin at all times (LOL NOPE, but bear with me) he would still be no match for Minato and Alternate Reality Naruto with no Kurama.
 

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more like itachi

if itachi has no sharingan

itachi = minato

itachi with sharingan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>minato no difficulty
Again, having Sharingan doesn't make you a God. Minato is stronger than Might Guy, and Might Guy would have a tie with Itachi. He knows how to fight the Sharingan and is too fast for the said Sharingan to catch him.
 

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He has better doujutsu, but still would be unable to defeat his brother. :rofl:

Itachi>Sasuke in terms of skill. This thread should have been about him.
 

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Minato stomps sasuke without his sharingan.

Naruto with no kyuubi still has Sm, SM > sasuke without sharingan.

Minato > Sasuke without sharingan

Sm naruto > sasuke without sharingan
Base Naruto>sasuke without sharingan. Sasuke's whole fighting style is spamming MS sharingan techniques, but even sasuke without sharingan before he achieved MS would lose, because the whole premise of his fighting style back then was that he would be able to read his opponents movements with the sharingan and find the best way to counter it, plus he wouldn't be able to counter Naruto's rasengan, since he can't use chidori properly without his sharingan
 

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when Sasuke is preparing for kirin he would die ten times against Naruto.....Kirin is a useless tech. becoz it takes too much time for prepare.....
hmm i guess you can believe that but you are completely off base.. Any halfway decent shinobi wouldn't stand there and try to prepare the tech.. Just like sasuke vs itachi, sasuke would prepare the weather during the midst of battle with naruto with a "missed" fireball or something. You can't honestly think sasuke (shown to be much more intelligent than other characters including naruto) would try to perform kirin without covering his own ass first..
 

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hmm i guess you can believe that but you are completely off base.. Any halfway decent shinobi wouldn't stand there and try to prepare the tech.. Just like sasuke vs itachi, sasuke would prepare the weather during the midst of battle with naruto with a "missed" fireball or something. You can't honestly think sasuke (shown to be much more intelligent than other characters including naruto) would try to perform kirin without covering his own ass first..
Someone who puts his own world and thoughts before other people's lives doesn't deserve the title "smart" or "intelligent" to me. If we're speaking about being clever when fighting, then that's fine. However, Kirin is still a Raiton. Raiton still loses to Fuuton.

Kirin < Rasen Shuriken.

If Sasuke really is as clever as you say, he'd fight Naruto using only Katon techniques and EMS. Though even then he has it very tough.
 

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Tdogg;10083700 (shown to be much more intelligent than other characters including naruto) would try to perform kirin without covering his own ass first..[/QUOTE said:
sasuke little more intelligent than naruto... by third databook sasuke intelligence equals 3.5 and naruto 3.0
 
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