Sasuke without sharingan( =Minato) >Naruto without kurama

[MrSimple]

This is stupid. Sharingan and Kurama was theirs the moment they were born, so people who try and take it away from them are either butthurt, or mad. As stupid as it is to compare a non sharingan Sasuke, to Minato, what can we do? I've deemed this a troll thread. Sasuke had immense talent, before the sharingan, but that was bound to be limited. It's the sharingan that allows him to do what he does. Imagine Sasuke W/out these abilities;

- Chidori - Sharingan needed to keep up with the speed, as stated by Minato. Thus leading to no Kirin, and no variants.

- The big 3 MS Techs. Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susano'o

- Any form of Genjutsu. Sasuke's genjutsu comes from his Sharingan, that will be lost.

- Decreased reflexes. Used the Sharingans perceptive ability to dodge A

Comparing that to Minato? Lol.

Once again it wasn't the moment they were born. It was the moment Sasuke was born and even before.

If it wasn't Obito, Kushina would still be the jin.
Naruto receive that power after his first breath.

Whether you sympathy him more than Sasuke or you can't accept that excluding that power of Naruto doesn't mean it's in favor of a man having his power in his dna.

Did someone sealed it inside Sasuke, no one did.
Being the best choice and having the power in your dna are two different things.

So if people are continue to making these kind of irrelevant threads it should be MSvsSM.

 

[Forbidden Twilight]

how kakashi know how to use his lightning release?We saw kakashi was able to do it before he had his sharingan when he was fighting minato during training session .

I agree with you fully on that but remember that kakashi was only able to fully perfect that technique because he was fast enough and he had obito's sharigan. Speed and the sharigan were the key factors to learning that jutsu and you cant disagree that 13 year old kakashi was faster than 13 year old sasuke.

 

[captainEO]

This is stupid. Sharingan and Kurama was theirs the moment they were born, so people who try and take it away from them are either butthurt, or mad. As stupid as it is to compare a non sharingan Sasuke, to Minato, what can we do? I've deemed this a troll thread. Sasuke had immense talent, before the sharingan, but that was bound to be limited. It's the sharingan that allows him to do what he does. Imagine Sasuke W/out these abilities;

- Chidori - Sharingan needed to keep up with the speed, as stated by Minato. Thus leading to no Kirin, and no variants.

- The big 3 MS Techs. Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susano'o

- Any form of Genjutsu. Sasuke's genjutsu comes from his Sharingan, that will be lost.

- Decreased reflexes. Used the Sharingans perceptive ability to dodge A

Comparing that to Minato? Lol.

WTF are you talking about?

You think Sasuke (hailed a genius his entire life) would have difficulty learning FTG or Reaper Death Seal or Rasengan?

You serious? No srsly, reconsider that. Your stance isn't very clever.

The kid who totally outperformed, no, thoroughly trounced everyone in his generation at the academy by being exceptionally skilled and having incredible insight...who throughout has shown analogous characteristics to every talent noted in the story. Wow


Finally, Sharingan and Kurama are incomparable. Sharingan is part of Sasuke's genetic code; it so makes up a part of his essence that it would be like stripping him of his eye colour or removing his intellect (which is genetic incaseyoudon'tknow).

 

[Uchicha Macho]

This is stupid. Sharingan and Kurama was theirs the moment they were born, so people who try and take it away from them are either butthurt, or mad. As stupid as it is to compare a non sharingan Sasuke, to Minato, what can we do? I've deemed this a troll thread. Sasuke had immense talent, before the sharingan, but that was bound to be limited. It's the sharingan that allows him to do what he does. Imagine Sasuke W/out these abilities;

- Chidori - Sharingan needed to keep up with the speed, as stated by Minato. Thus leading to no Kirin, and no variants.

- The big 3 MS Techs. Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susano'o

- Any form of Genjutsu. Sasuke's genjutsu comes from his Sharingan, that will be lost.

- Decreased reflexes. Used the Sharingans perceptive ability to dodge A

Comparing that to Minato? Lol.

Kurama is not naruto original power because naruto is tailbeast host like killerbee and the other 1-7 tail beasts.Mito and naruto mom were also tail beast hosts ,there were not relative of each other.Naruto was given kurama from after he was born.They all just given the kurama not born with it.There naruto is useless

 

[Exaar]

WTF are you talking about?

You think Sasuke (hailed a genius his entire life) would have difficulty learning FTG or Reaper Death Seal or Rasengan?

You serious? No srsly, reconsider that. Your stance isn't very clever.

The kid who totally outperformed, no, thoroughly trounced everyone in his generation at the academy by being exceptionally skilled and having incredible insight...who throughout has shown analogous characteristics to every talent noted in the story. Wow


Finally, Sharingan and Kurama are incomparable. Sharingan is part of Sasuke's genetic code; it so makes up a part of his essence that it would be like stripping him of his eye colour or removing his intellect (which is genetic incaseyoudon'tknow).

Yes sasuke would struggle to Learn FTG or RDS, let alone master them.

He has shown no skills in the area of S/T or Sealing.

Rasengan would take abit of training but he could learn it.

 

[kibainuzuka]

once I see your username I knowed what will you say

 

[Blaze Release]

Exaar i hope you know that sasuke has shown plentiful use of s/t techniques and knolwedge on fuinjutsu

 

[Turson]

Seriously though, SM Naruto would own Sasuke without Sharingan.

 

[Exaar]

i hope you know that sasuke has shown plentiful use of s/t techniques

Since when has sasuke used any kind of S/T besides for summoning, Unless i've missed something.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

WTF are you talking about?

You think Sasuke (hailed a genius his entire life) would have difficulty learning FTG or Reaper Death Seal or Rasengan?

You serious? No srsly, reconsider that. Your stance isn't very clever.

The kid who totally outperformed, no, thoroughly trounced everyone in his generation at the academy by being exceptionally skilled and having incredible insight...who throughout has shown analogous characteristics to every talent noted in the story. Wow


Finally, Sharingan and Kurama are incomparable. Sharingan is part of Sasuke's genetic code; it so makes up a part of his essence that it would be like stripping him of his eye colour or removing his intellect (which is genetic incaseyoudon'tknow).

FTG... RDS? Tell me where the heck he's gonna learn them from. Cos' Kakashi sure as hell doesn't know them.

Yeah, he was skilled in the academy. But look how far that got Sakura, and all the others. They were limited. As an Uchiha, Sasuke was bound to get far. His heritage allowed him to do so, given the abilities and bonuses the sharingan allows U_U

Point is, don't strip them of anything.

Kurama is not naruto original power because naruto is tailbeast host like killerbee and the other 1-7 tail beasts.Mito and naruto mom were also tail beast hosts ,there were not relative of each other.Naruto was given kurama from after he was born.They all just given the kurama not born with it.There naruto is useless

LOL. Strip Kurama, and he would still have SM. Naruto was given Kurama for a reason, and had it since the start of the series. Deal with it. It's his power.

 

[captainEO]

Yes sasuke would struggle to Learn FTG or RDS, let alone master them.

He has shown no skills in the area of S/T or Sealing.

Rasengan would take abit of training but he could learn it.

I had several counter-arguments at my disposal but I decided to go with these two:

Spoiler

Well, it isn't a case of Sasuke strictly learning those techniques rather it's him having spent close to his entire life relying on Sharingan to create jutsu suited for it. That's the problem. The point is, his skill level could be almost limitless...

For instance, he could learn Snake Sage Mode, shadow Sarutobi's techniques or really any S-rank nin that doesn't have KG. There are endless opportunities.

Anyway, that's like saying Minato could never master Kirin or Chidori because he has never shown any skills in the areas of elemental ninjutsu despite the fact that he's been called a genius/exceptional talent/excelled at a ninja academy that trains future shinobi in several forms of ninja art.

You could swap that with fire style or Amaterasu, really anything.

Continuing from that...Sasuke is a genius; he excels everywhere hence his top spot at the academy.

I have more proof to say that he could learn those techniques based on his characterization than you have to say otherwise on really no grounds.

 

[Honord Sage]

Sage mode docent need to land a direct Hit to cause massive deadly results ask Nagato/Pain about that, Frog Taijutsu can't be copied if your not a Sage. Sasuke without Sharigan can't mach Naruto's strength nor speed.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

I had several counter-arguments at my disposal but I decided to go with these two:

Spoiler

Well, it isn't a case of Sasuke strictly learning those techniques rather it's him having spent close to his entire life relying on Sharingan to create jutsu suited for it. That's the problem. The point is, his skill level could be almost limitless...

For instance, he could learn Snake Sage Mode, shadow Sarutobi's techniques or really any S-rank nin that doesn't have KG. There are endless opportunities.

Anyway, that's like saying Minato could never master Kirin or Chidori because he has never shown any skills in the areas of elemental ninjutsu despite the fact that he's been called a genius/exceptional talent/excelled at a ninja academy that trains future shinobi in several forms of ninja art.

You could swap that with fire style or Amaterasu, really anything.

Continuing from that...Sasuke is a genius; he excels everywhere hence his top spot at the academy.

I have more proof to say that he could learn those techniques based on his characterization than you have to say otherwise on really no grounds.

That's just it. Sasuke is more than capable of learning any jutsu in the manga, so to speak. But the OP is saying he's equal to Minato, without sharingan, when the majority of his current jutsu depend on the sharingan. So how can one even compare that to Minato?

 

[captainEO]

That's just it. Sasuke is more than capable of learning any jutsu in the manga, so to speak. But the OP is saying he's equal to Minato, without sharingan, when the majority of his current jutsu depend on the sharingan. So how can one even compare that to Minato?

Well, true.

It's really difficult to say where they'd stand if certain parts of the manga were shifted. Naruto could likely have been really powerful if he grew up with his dad (and never been a jinchuriki). Sasuke could have been anywhere, really, though I suppose his Sharingan really does give him an edge.

 

[Uchicha Macho]

That's just it. Sasuke is more than capable of learning any jutsu in the manga, so to speak. But the OP is saying he's equal to Minato, without sharingan, when the majority of his current jutsu depend on the sharingan. So how can one even compare that to Minato?

the raikage and his clanmen can use ligtning release effectly without sharingan.Sasuke have lightning release also why he cannot use it effectively?

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

the raikage and his clanmen can use ligtning release effectly without sharingan.Sasuke have lightning release also why he cannot use it effectively?

:flaw:

The bonus granted by Chidori is it grants the user stabbing speed. The speed cannot be controlled, unless you have sharingan. Hence why Kakashi taught it to Sasuke, hence why Minato told him to stop using it. Kakashi couldn't see where he was going, losing control of his body. That nearly got him killed, had it not been for Minato.

With chidori came all his variants, can you see where I'm coming from?

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Well, true.

It's really difficult to say where they'd stand if certain parts of the manga were shifted. Naruto could likely have been really powerful if he grew up with his dad (and never been a jinchuriki). Sasuke could have been anywhere, really, though I suppose his Sharingan really does give him an edge.

Exactly man

 

[Uchicha Macho]

FTG... RDS? Tell me where the heck he's gonna learn them from. Cos' Kakashi sure as hell doesn't know them.

Yeah, he was skilled in the academy. But look how far that got Sakura, and all the others. They were limited. As an Uchiha, Sasuke was bound to get far. His heritage allowed him to do so, given the abilities and bonuses the sharingan allows U_U

Point is, don't strip them of anything.



LOL. Strip Kurama, and he would still have SM. Naruto was given Kurama for a reason, and had it since the start of the series. Deal with it. It's his power.

Kurama is just a cheat code just like plotsheild and talk no jutsu

 

[Space Cowboy]

Kurama is just a cheat code just like plotsheild and talk no jutsu

Youre an idiot.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Lmao, you're helpless man. And hey, don't cry when Naruto spanks his ass, and leaves him grovelling on the floor