Sasuke without his sharingan and Naruto without the kurama

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You are denying Sai had his eyes closed despite not seeing his pupils at all....

TF :| U can't induce ocular genjutsu without eye contact except KA, Sasuke's Rinnegan Genjutsu and IT

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

TF :| U can't induce ocular genjutsu without eye contact except KA, Sasuke's Rinnegan Genjutsu and IT

That's what I was thinking, but Sai had his eyes closed when Sasuke got him.

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That's what I was thinking, but Sai had his eyes closed when Sasuke got him.

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Later on his eyes were open wide so u can say he got Genjutsu'd after opening it most likely also sasuke had massive killer intent at that moment so that may had shaken him into opening his eyes

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Later n his eyes were open wide so u can say he got Genjutsu'd after opening it most likely also sasuke had massive killer intent at that moment so that may had shaken him into opening his eyes

The shock of the Genjutsu made Sai open his eyes, and fall down. He opened his eye's after feeling the effects.

 

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The shock of the Genjutsu made Sai open his eyes, and fall down. He opened his eye's after feeling the effects.

No the Killer intent could have shocked him into opening his eyes.
U can see it in case of Sasuke and Suigetsu Juugo or Oro and Sasuke/Sakura in part 1

Edit: Simpler example if u can genjutsu anyone with basic sharingan without eye contact gai's whole strategy against them will fail

 

[Kagustuchi]

At least Lord Sasuke was born with the sharingan.

Let him keep his OG eyes, as long as he doesn't have Itachi's he gets beat by Naruto without Kurama

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

No the Killer intent could have shocked him into opening his eyes.
U can see it in case of Sasuke and Suigetsu Juugo or Oro and Sasuke/Sakura in part 1

Edit: Simpler example if u can genjutsu anyone with basic sharingan without eye contact gai's whole strategy against them will fail

It takes skill to be able to cast Sharingan Genjutsu without making eye contact, just as it takes skill to cast fringe Genjutsu.

The panel clearly zoomed in on Sasuke's eye to show he was casting Genjutsu, then on the double page we see it activated, and Sai opens his eyes up on feelings the effects.

Let him keep his OG eyes, as long as he doesn't have Itachi's he gets beat by Naruto without Kurama

The Kyuubi was Naruto's only counter to Genjutsu, without him, he easily loses.

 

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It takes skill to be able to cast Sharingan Genjutsu without making eye contact, just as it takes skill to cast fringe Genjutsu.

The panel clearly zoomed in on Sasuke's eye to show he was casting Genjutsu, then on the double page we see it activated, and Sai opens his eyes up on feelings the effects.

nope it dosen't and no

 

[Chaosmark101]

You are denying Sai had his eyes closed despite not seeing his pupils at all....

At that point, the only people above Sasuke in Genjutsu were Shisui, Itachi, Tobi, and Madara. Sasuke doesn't need to be as good as them, or better to get Naruto in a Genjutsu...so bringing up Tobi Is irrelevant.

And from the page you posted, Tobi himself notes how Sasuke caught Danzo, a Hokage level Shinobi, with decades of experience, and several Sharingan, in Genjutsu without Danzo even noticing ... yet Naruto notices, and breaks free of it fast enough for It not to be a problem at all?

Come on.

Sai's eye's were open. These characters are

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Japanese, & mixed with Japanese. No offense to anyone

& the point of bringing up Obito is because he's literally like the 3rd or even second best genjutsu user before infinite tsukuyomi arc. As he was directly under Itachi, & Itachi right under Shisui. I'd argue Itachi is the best genjutsu user in the manga by far, as much of his arsenal relies on genjutsu, procs genjutsu.

Ignoring the fact that his superior, stated his only genjutsu technique "genjutsu: sharingan" to be "weak" says Alot. That was Viz btw.

Now Lmao. You really believe Danzo to be > Naruto in combat? Naruto!? SM Naruto sends that hokage wannabe to the retirement home he belongs.

It's also hilarious you believe Danzo's experience & his "several sharingan" actually mean something. Danzo's best feat was using genjutsu on a fodder anbu. Not to mention the sharingan on his arm served no other purpose other than izanagi's
That whole fight he had...

- no sharingan precog until right at the very end when he ripped the bandages covering shisui's eye.

- Was an old man getting blitzed left and right by Amaterasu, Susanoo arrows, & shuriken. It's sad your putting Danzo on a pedestal when all he has that puts him up there, is Koto & Izanagi.

 

[Unorthodox]

why the hell this thread get put in our sections?

 

[Lord Tywin]

Naruto shits. SM>>>>>>Base Sasuque

 

[Unorthodox]

Naruto shits. SM>>>>>>Base Sasuque

MS Sasuke > SM Naruto i called GAME!

 

[Lord Tywin]

MS Sasuke > SM Naruto i called GAME!

He said "No Sharingan".

 

[Unorthodox]

He said "No Sharingan".

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Kirin GG

 

[Lord Tywin]

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Kirin GG

Sasuke gets raped before any kind of cloud is formed.

 

[Kagustuchi]

The Kyuubi was Naruto's only counter to Genjutsu, without him, he easily loses.

His Genjutsu has never been a real factor in his fights. The only two times it really did all that much was against Bee and Danzo.

The latter only being used for trickery, not something that will matter much with Kage Bunshin on the field. The former being even more useless because of Bunshin, since it's more chakra consuming and strains him more due to being an MS genjutsu. If he misses it then he's wrecking his eyesight and throwing chakra away for no reason.

Sasuke doesn't have any reality simulation Genjutsu either, so he's stuck with one decent attack Genjutsu (One he used against Bee) and it's not worth the risk of blowing it on a Bunshin

Theres also the one he used against Deidara, but that is hard countered by sensing.

 

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Theres also the one he used against Deidara, but that is hard countered by sensing.

sensing helps in genjutsu :| DSM Kabuto says nope

Diedara trained his eyes against ocular genjutsu

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Naruto shits. SM>>>>>>Base Sasuque

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Sai's eye's were open. These characters are

Spoiler

Japanese, & mixed with Japanese. No offense to anyone

& the point of bringing up Obito is because he's literally like the 3rd or even second best genjutsu user before infinite tsukuyomi arc. As he was directly under Itachi, & Itachi right under Shisui. I'd argue Itachi is the best genjutsu user in the manga by far, as much of his arsenal relies on genjutsu, procs genjutsu.

Ignoring the fact that his superior, stated his only genjutsu technique "genjutsu: sharingan" to be "weak" says Alot. That was Viz btw.

Now Lmao. You really believe Danzo to be > Naruto in combat? Naruto!? SM Naruto sends that hokage wannabe to the retirement home he belongs.

It's also hilarious you believe Danzo's experience & his "several sharingan" actually mean something. Danzo's best feat was using genjutsu on a fodder anbu. Not to mention the sharingan on his arm served no other purpose other than izanagi's
That whole fight he had...

- no sharingan precog until right at the very end when he ripped the bandages covering shisui's eye.

- Was an old man getting blitzed left and right by Amaterasu, Susanoo arrows, & shuriken. It's sad your putting Danzo on a pedestal when all he has that puts him up there, is Koto & Izanagi.

Sasuke's Genjutsu was weak compared to Tobi, Shisui, and Itachi, not in general. Sasuke has caught multiple people with Genjutsu in different ways, which owned them - Paralysis, knocking them unconscious, controlling them, forcing them to give out information, replay memories, reversing jutsu, and as I mentioned with Danzo, catching them in it without them even noticing.

I highlighted Danzo because he is one of the top notch Shinobi in the world. He has been around Uchiha his whole life, and even had Sharingans for years, including Shisui's, he knows full well what to expect from Uchiha Sharingan Genjutsu, and was still caught without even noticing, that says alot for Sasuke, and his skill.

"Weak" compared to Tobi, Shisui, and Tobi, strong compared to everyone else. No way Naruto, who's not good with Genjutsu, is going to expertly counter Sasuke's.

After being easily defeated by Itachi with Genjutsu, Deidara trained, and prepared a counter specifically for Sharingan Genjutsu, and Sasuke still got him without him even noticing.

His Genjutsu has never been a real factor in his fights. The only two times it really did all that much was against Bee and Danzo.

The latter only being used for trickery, not something that will matter much with Kage Bunshin on the field. The former being even more useless because of Bunshin, since it's more chakra consuming and strains him more due to being an MS genjutsu. If he misses it then he's wrecking his eyesight and throwing chakra away for no reason.

Sasuke doesn't have any reality simulation Genjutsu either, so he's stuck with one decent attack Genjutsu (One he used against Bee) and it's not worth the risk of blowing it on a Bunshin

Theres also the one he used against Deidara, but that is hard countered by sensing.

His biggest uses of Genjutsu in battle are against Deidara, and Danzo, both two of the best battles in the story by the way. Strategic, and Intelligent.

He doesn't need MS Genjutsu, Sharingan Genjutsu would be enough, anyway, read what I Said above to Chaosmark If you haven't already.

Besides, how could he miss? Making eye contact is easy.

 

[take it easy]

If Naruto never got Kurama this means that hed be had great chakra control since begining of the series and as you know good chakra control needed to break out of genjutsu.

Forgot to add that no Kurama means that Narutos parents would be alive, so FTG, chakra chains, Rasengan/FRS more than one nature release, Uzumaki sealing jutsu =overkill for Sasuke.

 

[Chaosmark101]

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Shortening this discussion.
1. Sai's eye's were open as sharingan genjutsu

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2.Danzo =/= Naruto